Jeaniessi wrote: I really hope the powers that be who write/direct this drama do not expect me as a viewer to have anymore sympathy for Shunji. Every ounce has been sucked out of me. I want his character to die a slow and painful death. I'm done with him. Freaking psycho!
Whew...I feel better.
in my house hold he is referred to as "the one that completely lost his Sh*t"
ex. hubby: "what happened?"
me:"he ****took her out of the prison and is hiding her in the hotel."****
hubby : "which one?"
me;"Shunji"
hubby: "you mean the one that completely lost his Sh*t?"
yup babe that would be him.
i will say that his rapid decent into what can only be described as madness is oneof only 2 things about this show that bug me.
cityhunter83 wrote: in my house hold he is referred to as "the one that completely lost his Sh*t"
ex. hubby: "what happened?"
me:"he ****took her out of the prison and is hiding her in the hotel."****
hubby : "which one?"
me;"Shunji"
hubby: "you mean the one that completely lost his Sh*t?"
yup babe that would be him.
i will say that his rapid decent into what can only be described as madness is oneof only 2 things about this show that bug me.
Love it!!! The one that completely lost his sh*t is how we discribe him too. LOL
cityhunter83 wrote: LOL!
you're right though, just when i thought the boy couldnt possibly have an ounce of sanity left to give he goes all **stabey-pokey on a dead guy**
Spoilery observations below!
I know!!! There are so many incidents I could mention where he's just stone cold bonkers. PJ in the box, Stabey-pokey dead guy, killing the messenger and on and on.
I read on DB where Javabeans was saying this about Shunji ~ Shunji ****s with my brain, but in a good way (narratively speaking), because I never quite know where he stands. And it’s not that you can’t read him, because I did believe his speech about wanting to go back to his teacher self and living a simple life. And I fully believe that he went into the police with only good intentions. So it’s not that I don’t think he’s being honest; it’s that his honesty swings wildly from extreme to extreme as he tries to reconcile all his warring desires. ~
I don't agree with her at all on several levels. 1) I always know where he stands. Very rapidly after he joined the police he has turned into a monster. Where he stands is ~ against all sanity and any hope for personal happiness or the expense of others he will please his father and avenge his insane brother's death. That's it in a nutshell and he has shed his humanity for the sake of acceptance & revenge. Not confusing to see at all. 2) I do not think he joined the police with good intentions. His intentions were selfishly motivated. For the reasons stated above (acceptence and revenge) and also to keep Mok Dan safe from his fathers hands but that lasted all of 5 seconds so it no longer counts. To me Shunji has no warring desires anymore. If he does they are buried deep and he's gone too far round the bend. And by the way...His psychotic behavior makes his crazy dead brother look like a fluffy freaking kitten.
I actually agree with Javabeans when it comes to Shunji. I do think that a lot of his rage comes from jealousy though. He fought being an officer and what his father stood for but you could see in early episodes how it bothered him that he didn’t have his father’s acceptance and how his brother treated him. He started off wanting to save Mok Dan, but that sudden acceptance from his father and Mok Dan shunning him started him on his current path to crazy. He does go back and forth, his pleas to her in ep 17 were honest, but when she wholly rejected him that prompted his confused rage and the slap. I think it is a struggle and he’s losing the fight, but I honestly think that he wishes he could take off the uniform and go back to the way things were. But since he knows things will never be the same, it’s also fueling his fury. I sympathized with him at first, especially during that scene where he and Kangto cried as they slept back to back, but the fact that he knows what he’s doing is wrong yet doesn’t try at all to control it has made me completely against him. I think the more Mok Dan pulls away from him, the worse he gets and it’s the total opposite of Kangto whose heart grows.
Sometimes I wonder who is more off their rocker, Shunji or Do Woo from Story of a Man?
Sometimes I wonder who is more off their rocker, Shunji or Do Woo from Story of a Man?
infiniti512 wrote: I actually agree with Javabeans when it comes to Shunji. I do think that a lot of his rage comes from jealousy though. He fought being an officer and what his father stood for but you could see in early episodes how it bothered him that he didn’t have his father’s acceptance and how his brother treated him. He started off wanting to save Mok Dan, but that sudden acceptance from his father and Mok Dan shunning him started him on his current path to crazy. He does go back and forth, his pleas to her in ep 17 were honest, but when she wholly rejected him that prompted his confused rage and the slap. I think it is a struggle and he’s losing the fight, but I honestly think that he wishes he could take off the uniform and go back to the way things were. But since he knows things will never be the same, it’s also fueling his fury. I sympathized with him at first, especially during that scene where he and Kangto cried as they slept back to back, but the fact that he knows what he’s doing is wrong yet doesn’t try at all to control it has made me completely against him. I think the more Mok Dan pulls away from him, the worse he gets and it’s the total opposite of Kangto whose heart grows.
Sometimes I wonder who is more off their rocker, Shunji or Do Woo from Story of a Man?
I guess I just don't buy that his back and forth is based on real sincerity. He has gone to far to really push through any of his crazy to see clearly and now he's almost paying it lip service and using his own past personality to manipulate others (Mok Dan).
wrote: I think it is a struggle and he’s losing the fight, but I honestly think that he wishes he could take off the uniform and go back to the way things were. But since he knows things will never be the same, it’s also fueling his fury.I do agree with your statement here on some level but all of his motivations and deeply psychotic behaviors ultimately lead me to believe he not only lost the fight but really didn't put up much of one in the first place.
I also agree that the two friends are totally opposite when it comes to their path. I agree... Shunji's heart/sanity have quickly withered and Kang To's heart has grown. Which is fun to watch.
hmmm...Who is more bonkers? That's a good question. Do Woo's character from Story Of A Man. I believe he was always a classic sociopath. I saw him as being born that way...like a chemical imbalance in the brain and of course it grew into/manifested itself into what he became. Which was criminally diabolical. What a crazo! Shunji seems like a kind/weak willed man who's circumstances (The turbulent times he lived in, his jealousy of his friend Kang To and most importantly, his demanding/cruel father and crazy older brother) made him break psychologically. His mind couldn't handle all this and it broke. Basically I think Do Woo would always be what he became but I believe that had Shunji been free to take another path, he would have remained the kind teacher...always weak willed but still kind.
Jeaniessi wrote:
I do agree with your statement here on some level but all of his motivations and deeply psychotic behaviors ultimately lead me to believe he not only lost the fight but really didn't put up much of one in the first place.
I definitely agree that he didn’t put up much of a fight and seems to be so willing to go down that path.
Jeaniessi wrote: hmmm...Who is more bonkers? That's a good question. Do Woo's character from Story Of A Man. I believe he was always a classic sociopath. I saw him as being born that way...like a chemical imbalance in the brain and of course it grew into/manifested itself into what he became. Which was criminally diabolical. What a crazo! Shunji seems like a kind/weak willed man who's circumstances (The turbulent times he lived in, his jealousy of his friend Kang To and most importantly, his demanding/cruel father and crazy older brother) made him break psychologically. His mind couldn't handle all this and it broke. Basically I think Do Woo would always be what he became but I believe that had Shunji been free to take another path, he would have remained the kind teacher...always weak willed but still kind.
And I totally agree with every word of this. Do Woo was born the way he is and Shunji was easily pushed into his current state. Do Woo was calculating and manipulative and Shunji is just all over the place lashing out where he can.
Gosh I can't wait for him to find out who Gaksital really is. Will he even bother to listen to the fact that his own brother is what caused Kangto to become who he is, or will he only see that Kangto killed his brother? I hope that struggle within himself comes back and he shows at least a bit of remorse.
infiniti512 wrote:
Gosh I can't wait for him to find out who Gaksital really is. Will he even bother to listen to the fact that his own brother is what caused Kangto to become who he is, or will he only see that Kangto killed his brother? I hope that struggle within himself comes back and he shows at least a bit of remorse.
I know! I can't wait either and I hope when he does it is a scenario where Gaksital has the advantage when he is unmasked.
I don't think he will listen regarding his brother being at fault. I think Shunji was very well aware of his brother's behavior before all this mess even started and that didn't prevent him from following the path he has chosen. That is also why I say he is weak willed. It's one thing to be deeply sad about your brother's death but it is quite another to be blind to his faults...no worse, to be completely aware of his faults and still carry on your revenge for his death. Shunji's brother was a bad man and Shunji knew it. His Father is not a good man and although Shunji isn't aware of the full extent of his Father's crimes he has to have some idea and yet... His need to be accepted by his father trumps his father's crimes. I have no hope that Shunji will show remorse but even if he does, remorse from him at this stage, and I am sure by the time we reach episode 28 will be WAY too late...quite laughable actually. At least for me.
like my brother always says "Sorry" don't close the wound!
for me the development of Shunji's mental break down just went by a little too fast. this is really one point where the writing was just weak. he went from decent guy to kim jung il in the space of 2 episodes. this is just bad character development IMO. i dont know if the writers didnt want to spend the time to give him a chance to break down properly or if they were just in a rush so they could foil his descent against Kang To's ascent but i think we needed at least a few epidsodes where he made a show of trying to cling to decency to make it believeable and to really make the foil work.
if it didnt take at least A LITTLE time for him to go bat sh*t, then he was batsh*t crazy the whole time and just scary good at hiding it, but there is no characterization to support this. conversely we are give loads of direct and indirect characterization to show us that Kang To never WANTED to be a D-bag, but was forced into a situation where he felt he had to works for the japanese and then in order to survive the strain that put on his relationship with his family and community he became the d-bag. given this, i dont think we're expected to wonder about Shunji's motives or his inner struggle, we're simply supposed to accept his insanity in it's broad strokes and let it remind us of how far Kang To's come. anything else is just speculation b/c thus far, the answer is simply not ther.
Jeaniessi wrote: I know! I can't wait either and I hope when he does it is a scenario where Gaksital has the advantage when he is unmasked.
I don't think he will listen regarding his brother being at fault. I think Shunji was very well aware of his brother's behavior before all this mess even started and that didn't prevent him from following the path he has chosen. That is also why I say he is weak willed. It's one thing to be deeply sad about your brother's death but it is quite another to be blind to his faults...no worse, to be completely aware of his faults and still carry on your revenge for his death. Shunji's brother was a bad man and Shunji knew it. His Father is not a good man and although Shunji isn't aware of the full extent of his Father's crimes he has to have some idea and yet... His need to be accepted by his father trumps his father's crimes. I have no hope that Shunji will show remorse but even if he does, remorse from him at this stage, and I am sure by the time we reach episode 28 will be WAY too late...quite laughable actually. At least for me.
like my brother always says "Sorry" don't close the wound!
ooh I didnt even thing about this too. How will he react when he does find out his father's crimes? The real story behind the Kishokai. Because now I remember him wanting to join initially to find out the true story. Of course that quickly went poof. Even now it's too late for him which makes me so much more curious.
I like you're brother's quote too.
cityhunter83 wrote: for me the development of Shunji's mental break down just went by a little too fast. this is really one point where the writing was just weak. he went from decent guy to kim jung il in the space of 2 episodes. this is just bad character development IMO. i dont know if the writers didnt want to spend the time to give him a chance to break down properly or if they were just in a rush so they could foil his descent against Kang To's ascent but i think we needed at least a few epidsodes where he made a show of trying to cling to decency to make it believeable and to really make the foil work.
Shunji is ridiculous and I believe some of that is the writer's fault. It was lightening fast! "Gaksital killed my completely arsehole and mostly evil brother! ...I will kill Gaksital for this!" "...and Daddy please don't kill Mok Dan!" Flash of Lightening! "I will Kill Mok Dan! ...But you can't love her Kang To ...She is My Woman! ...to torture and kill." Shunji is a hot mess. And his crazy 'back and forth eyes' are starting to grate on me. I want to punch him so hard.
I have such a problem with this reoccurring theme in Kdramas: Which is basically this... Person A falls in love with Person B but Person B doesn't love them back. The fact that person B doesn't love or have the same depth of feeling for person A doesn't matter. All that matters is that Person A loves them. If Person B loves Person C instead? Doesn't matter. Person B seems to be beholden to Person A...because they saw Person B first. It's like illogical love thinking barfed all over Korea and no one can get the stain out.
Also...Shunji does not hold himself even the least bit accountable for his horrible acts committed against Mok Dan, her Father and Friends. I find it completely maddening and illogical that he can even for one moment sit back and think...Why doesn't she love me? Ummm Dude...are you stupid? Who would love you after all this shit? Oh yeah...Maybe those women who fall in love and pursue death row prisoners. But you need to travel to a trailer park in east Jesus Arksansas to find one of those.
yea, some times when Shunji gets all worked up it looks like his eyeballs alone are having a seizure. i dont know how the actor does that.
i'm starting to think korea has some pretty warped ideas about romantic relationships and what is acceptable and expected. now before you start yelling "it's a ficitonalization!" stop and hear me out! Shunji is the latest in a long history of stalkers who never get told "you're creepy, stop." Shunji gets told to stop, but never because his pursuit tactics are unacceptable, but because he is japanese and she is korean. Shunji isnt the only one.
{{cough- OH HA NI-ahem}} then you read about REAL seasang fans and honestly i can only wonder why these girls arent in jail. it you begin to wonder if on some level in actual korean society this kind of devotion (if only a lesser intenisty) is viewed as desirable
cityhunter83 wrote: yea, some times when Shunji gets all worked up it looks like his eyeballs alone are having a seizure. i dont know how the actor does that.
i'm starting to think korea has some pretty warped ideas about romantic relationships and what is acceptable and expected. now before you start yelling "it's a ficitonalization!" stop and hear me out! Shunji is the latest in a long history of stalkers who never get told "you're creepy, stop." Shunji gets told to stop, but never because his pursuit tactics are unacceptable, but because he is japanese and she is korean. Shunji isnt the only one.
{{cough- OH HA NI-ahem}} then you read about REAL seasang fans and honestly i can only wonder why these girls arent in jail. it you begin to wonder if on some level in actual korean society this kind of devotion (if only a lesser intenisty) is viewed as desirable
Hey...it's fictionalization but art imitates life. I would be very curious to know if some of the societal norms portrayed in dramas have some ring of truth in actual society in Korea. Where does this standard of warped love, shown over and over again, come from and to what degree is it real?
If some of the cliche's can be found... back hugs, piggy back rides, winding twine around the thumb and pricking it with a needle to relieve indigestion, couple rings and t-shirts, touching the nose to the tongue and back again... All of these behaviors are shown in dramas and from what we've all heard, they are actually part of Korean society too. So why not stalker love? LOL
Saesang fans make me want to puke though...seriously puke my guts out. That is so messed up. And yeah...It is telling that they haven't been punished and/or laws haven't been created to protect people. But you can go to the JYJ thread for my thoughts on that crap.
But as a person who does not understand how that kind of obsessive love can be acceptable, I find Shunji's behaviors extremely maddening. I believe if you took away his extreme crazy he would still think he was 'entitled' to Mok Dan because he saw her first. Never mind that she doesn't love him back.
Jeaniessi wrote: Hey...it's fictionalization but art imitates life. I would be very curious to know if some of the societal norms portrayed in dramas have some ring of truth in actual society in Korea. Where does this standard of warped love, shown over and over again, come from and to what degree is it real?
If some of the cliche's can be found... back hugs, piggy back rides, winding twine around the thumb and pricking it with a needle to relieve indigestion, couple rings and t-shirts, touching the nose to the tongue and back again... All of these behaviors are shown in dramas and from what we've all heard, they are actually part of Korean society too. So why not stalker love? LOL
Saesang fans make me want to puke though...seriously puke my guts out. That is so messed up. And yeah...It is telling that they haven't been punished and/or laws haven't been created to protect people. But you can go to the JYJ thread for my thoughts on that crap.
But as a person who does not understand how that kind of obsessive love can be acceptable, I find Shunji's behaviors extremely maddening. I believe if you took away his extreme crazy he would still think he was 'entitled' to Mok Dan because he saw her first. Never mind that she doesn't love him back.
i understand how mad shinji look like to everyone but at the same time i really do feel like i understand why he is in the situation he is in. for one if you keep getting out smarted by someone you would certainly try to get even and on top of that you dont know who this person even is, anyone would go crazy trying to figure out who this person is. 2nd it is even worst when you believe your bff is in league with the enemy. 3rd no matter how bad and evil your family is, they are still family and even if you disagree with your families way of thinking you still want to be accepted by your own family. 4th the woman you love doesnt listen to you at all even when u try to save them, and on top of that your bff also fell for her. Shinji started out as a nice guy who doesnt seem to know anything at all, and then all of a sudden everything was thrown on to his shoulder, i just feel he pressure got to him and he just cant think straight anymore. I really hate what he does but i really do petty him. And i really do believe if KT did not find out his brother was Gaksital he woulda been just as crazy.
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