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“ If he ends up moving forward with it, feel free to send his email and we’ll go from there.” He says “ok great! As long as you are willing to share the general location, thank you.”

“ And yes, I think we’ve covered the background actors and AI topic pretty thoroughly.” hmm… I didn’t suggest nor mentioned it again. We already agreed that it was done and I asked you if there was another topic from this thread that you wanted to discuss?

His professor will like to know the general location because culture can affect how a person acts.

“ After all this emotional labor?” what emotional labor? A behavior you displayed during the exchange was interesting to him because he is writing a thesis on an aspect of mental health. You will be used to support a diagnosis.

“ here’s 17 follow-ups just in case.” Please point me to 2 of those different follow ups?

“ starring role in someone’s thesis” he said it’s not a “starring role”, just a paragraph or 2 out of a 40+ pages thesis. He is asking if you are located in the USA.

You are the one who kept bringing twists, I stayed consistent 😐.

Yes, he said he’d love to have your feedback if he gets to write about you. In that case, if he gets the ok, I’ll just dm you his email and you’ll take it from there. I don’t think I’m qualified to know more about what you will discuss about.

Idk all the details about the thesis but if he is ok to ask you the question, he will send you the part where you are mentioned if you are interested in reading it. Since it’s almost the weekend, I’ll be able to get back to you by next week. I believe you’ll have to exchange with him over emails if that’s ok.

I think we have exhausted the background actors and AI topic? What do you think? Any other topic from this thread that was maybe raised and you’d love to share your understanding of what was said?

Really?? Oh thank you so much! He was nervous about me asking you but thank you. It’s for his thesis… anyway, I’ll send you a dm if he gets the “green light”.

“ Thanks again for your consistent dedication to not caring.” no need to thank me for that ☺️, clutching my pearls helped a lot!

Hmm… idk if you want to continue exchanging today or if you are done? I’m fine either way, I still have a few hours that I can spare you. Let me know!

“ Also, thrilled to hear my brain has left such a strong impression.”.. oh yes, it definitely did 🫠.

“ I absolutely believe you didn’t care — nothing proves indifference like time-stamped dedication and real-time group commentary. ” you do understand that the lack of care is towards the actors/AI situation? But I had time to entertain exchanging with you because I was curious to see how long you could go. You understand this, right?

I do have a question for you because someone brought it up when we were talking about your responses but at the same , I think it might
be too personal to
ask on here. The person who asked is also in mental health field but is unsure about the ethical part of asking you this. Is it ok to message you once the person confirms that it’s ok to ask you? It doesn’t fall under consultation, it’s mostly curiosity on his end. Is that ok?

You still don’t get it 😮😥 “ Ah, of course — the “I didn’t care, but somehow stayed fully invested for hours”… I don’t care about the background actors and AI. I stayed on here replying to you because 1) you kept talking and it’s polite to reply. 2) I had time to engage with you today so that was fine. 3) the topic was not why we were amazed at your replies not your stand on the background actors and AI stand.

“ And thank you for clarifying that I was the topic. I’ll be sure to update my résumé: “Accidentally became the main character in someone’s group chat sociology experiment.” Prestige stuff.” de rien ☺️!

“ into a quilt of “I don’t care” monologues. ” they were not monologues, you were engaging back.

You should change the title but yes, I’d have loved to see these slides. The way your brain processes information is interesting.

“ Nothing says “I don’t care” quite like rallying a whole side chat to analyze it in real time.”

Yes, I personally didn’t care and I didn’t change my stand BUT someone asked me what was funny and I showed the thread with your answer and next thing I know, others were curious about what else you’d say. I had free time so I continued the engagement.

“ right before you sprinted back to reframe it as a misunderstanding. A true art form.” I think you are confusing yourself with me? I’ve been saying the same thing over and over again with maybe 2 examples.

“As for nuance — it exists in the space between “I don’t care” and “but let me write you six paragraphs explaining why I’m still correct.” That’s where the real performance lives.✨”

But that’s the thing, I don’t care and no one wrote a 6 page paragraph? What we discussed was how you expressed yourself and not the background actors. You were the topic of interest.

“ But hey, if this little exchange gave you all that much content, I’m honored to be the unwitting guest lecturer in your private seminar. Next time I’ll bring slides.” You are welcome 🤗!
PLEASE DO! I wish it was possible, I’d love to see how you put things together.

“ You just repeated, “not my hill,” like it was a philosophical mic drop. Meanwhile, the rest of us moved on to higher ground.”😂😂😂 which higher ground? The “clutching the pearls” one? Or the one when a few messages back you acknowledged a few times that I was right yet, found a way somehow to introduce misunderstanding from your end? “Higher grounds”, yet still here back and forth with me, I appreciate being part of the illusional “higher ground”.

“ Honestly, that might be the most productive thing either of us accomplished here. Growth!” tbh, it is not. I have to be honest, a few of us on my end used this exchange to prove a point somewhere else. So throughout this, a discussion with other people was started. It was truly fascinating. That discussion was more interesting and that’s why I kept engaging with you. You gave us a lot of material. We thank you, it’s a good thing with our handles and profile pics, there’s still anonymity.

“ Yes, you don’t want to sound principled or engaged — mission absolutely accomplished. If this was a test in being proudly indifferent while congratulating yourself for it.” Thank you ☺️, I honestly was starting to doubt myself, you didn’t seem to get it.

“ Wouldn’t want you to get lost in nuance again.” 🤣🤣🤣 where is that “nuance” if you agreed with me that it was possible to look at both sides of the issues?

This is precious!

1) I’m afraid that if you make a poll, you won’t be able to understand the answer properly since you’ve shown your abilities 😕.

2) “ But repeating “this isn’t my hill” doesn’t suddenly make you sound principled — it just makes you sound committed to disengagement with flair.” I think you finally understood me? I don’t want to sound principled and disengaged on this issue, I really don’t so I think you FINALLY understood
me 🤞.

3) “ I guess it’s the radical choice to challenge apathy instead of dressing it up as philosophical neutrality. ”

You didn’t challenge apathy at all, all you did was to show me how much patience I had online and I thank you for
that!

“ if shrugging through ethical debates is your brand, at least you're consistent.”… this was NOT a debate 😂.

Unfortunately, I don’t have Venmo BUT the good thing is that more people care about the type of causes that I’m involved in so we are good.

The same way you couldn’t care less about what I’m involved in, the same way i feel about this background actors. I hope you can now get my point. That doesn’t mean those cases are not valid, it just means we have our own hills. Do I make sense now?

“ But hey, if doing nothing while pointing fingers at people who do care is your hill to sit on, at least you’ve made it scenic with all that moral outsourcing.”

why do you insist on showing yourself this way online?

“ Oh, absolutely — why start noticing background actors now? It’s so much easier to keep blissfully unaware and pretend they’re just interchangeable pixels. After all, who needs depth or nuance when ignorance feels so convenient? Keep doing you!”

You’ve been talking about seeing the human side, I was only focusing on the business side. Now I want to make an effort and actually see it, it’s not good enough. Also “convenience or ignorance” was not bliss here, I just didn’t give a
damn about that issue. It was not bliss, it was nonexistent.

2) “ Ah, the classic “business will choose profit” card — the ultimate get-out-of-ethical-jail-free pass. Because, of course, capitalism always makes the tough calls for us, and who needs balance when you have spreadsheets? Makes perfect sense!” this is conversation to have with entertainment companies and yes, it makes sense since companies still do it.

3) “ it's just fascinating how often that hill turns out to be “I’ll stand over here and let someone else worry about it.” Very brave. But hey, if passively rooting from the sidelines counts as moral delegation these days, then congratulations.” When I mentioned what I do, you said something along the lines that it was respectable.

Did I expect you to join my “fights”? Are you saying that now you are aware of someone who fights for these women and kids, you will join me 🥹?? We need donations! Thank you!!! Should I send you my PayPal address? I’m assuming you will start contributing to these causes.
I’m truly touched, really. I was not expecting you to care but you are implying that as soon as we know about a cause, we should get involved.

That was porridge made with premium organic (old ingredients but still organic!) you stole and now look at you! At this point a shaman needs to be involved, can’t continue this way 😭.

“ Ah, so now the plan is to maybe watch something and maybe notice background actors for the first time ever? ”.. Would it be better to continue to ignore them and believe they are replaceable? I was going to actually pay attention but you are right, I will continue to do what I’ve been doing.

“ The ones that don’t? That’s a choice, not a natural disaster.” you wrote the paragraph thinking you were contradicting me but then ended with “it’s a choice”. Yes! That’s why I believe balance cannot be reached. The business will CHOOSE profit.

“ What better way to wrap up than outsourcing the moral heavy lifting? Inspiring.”

Again!! We all have hills to die on for humankind, THIS SPECIFIC one is not mine so I’m hoping that SOMEONE who cares enough about this issue will clearly do something about it. We all have different
issues we care about. Will I ask someone else to do something about an issue I care about? No and I don’t expect others to care about the same things I care about.

This is me repeating myself again.

“ What did I do in a past life?

What do you mean???? You forgot stealing that old bread and porridge from that beggar during that famine? 😂

“ But background actors do contribute — even if their role is silent or brief. Atmosphere, realism, immersion — none of that works without them. Calling them “people who don’t bring anything” misrepresents their purpose entirely.” To me that’s how I used to see them since I barely noticed them. I will try tonight and watch something, I will pay more attention and see if I change my mind. If they are indeed important then like I said earlier, they should get paid fairly.

“ without offering any balance still tilts the scale.” i truly don’t believe that in this specific case, we can have balance. The business side is about profit, the human side is about treating people fairly and that comes at a cost, how can that have balance in a capitalist system? Idk

“ Online discussion is often where things start — not where they end.” I agree and AGAIN if something is done outside then great! I called it noise and hot air but I also mentioned that doing something tangible outside of these forum is where the change really is.

I’m hoping that someone who read the comments will ACTUALLY do something about what have been discussed here.

1) an example

Student doesn’t participate in class nor studies, as a result no wants to have in when it comes to group projects.” It is FAIR that others refuse to have that kid in their groups, they don’t want to fail. Now, would you force the other kids to have that kid in the groups? Would you also be ok that this kids is moved up to the higher level even though he didn’t bring anything?

Seeing both side of the issue here, the ethical and business side is not contradictory. They are separate issues.

“ You don’t know what anyone else is doing offline. ”… see, this is why I believe you have a comprehension problem with some of the things I say… I said “IF YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT THEN GOOD!”

It’s noise if nothing is being really done about it.

In my personal case, the women of the Congo. I was appalled, I expressed it online THEN I started going to hospitals and pharmacies to collect supplies and send to hospitals there a few times every year . I saw
childhood hunger here, I was not ok with it, I mentioned it online and THEN I found groups that are actually helping.

If I were to just talk about my anger online, it would have been hot air and fake outrage.

“ it’s just a way to call out over-the-top defensiveness when ethics get brought up”… again, if you read and understand, you will see that I’ve been agreeing about the ethical part. Idk where you saw the defensiveness. This topic and exchange is not meaningful enough for me to be on the defensive.

“ But if you keep repeating the same thing without addressing counterpoints, it looks less like clarity and more like avoidance.”… again, I’ve addressed it with you AND a few others on here. They understood that I could see the ethical part of it, not surprisingly anymore, only YOU don’t understand what I’m typing when it comes to that.

“ That doesn’t give anyone license to minimize or dismiss others’ concerns as “fake outrage”

Where did I minimize? I said if you are actually doing something about it, good for you!

Yes, working in this field and seeing what others do when they care about a cause, sitting at home just typing online on forums without doing anything tangible IS fake outrage. Real outrage is going in the trenches, getting people together and actively doing something instead of being keyboard warriors in the comfort of the home.

If you are in the trenches, good, you have my support!

“ Finally, this isn’t about labeling people horrible for what they do or don’t care about. It’s about having a meaningful conversation instead of pretending that indifference is the same as insight.”

To have a meaningful conversation, both have to understand (not necessarily agree) but understand what the other is saying, clearly it was not the case here. You are the only one who couldn’t understand what I was saying.

Definition of clutching pearls: “ be extremely or excessively shocked or appalled.”

What was I shocked or appalled about? Nothing.

Exactly, it’s a public forum and people can even publicly display their lack of comprehension.

If you pay attention, I keep writing the same thing over and over because 1) you keep talking to me and it’s only polite to reply, if you stop, I’ll stop. 2) you don’t seem to understand what I’m saying over and over again. Others understood and they abandoned the thread.

Yes, I will continue to say that if someone is not doing a noticeable difference in a film, they can be removed since no one will noticed cuz few paid attention to begin with.

Again, I don’t expect anything from people. Push back if what I originally said was not true. We agreed that AI is being used on actors. Some brought the ethical issue, I explained my point and many saw it and decided to leave the thread. You on the other hand keeps going on and on and I keep repeating the same thing to you since the beginning.

While I sit back and smirk? Are you ok? So now you can see me? Or is it you again making things up in your mind?

A few things I care about and do something about “wars in the Congo where women are being raped by the minute.” “Childhood hunger in the country I live in”, “refugee centers in my town”… those are a few of my hills. They probably won’t be yours and that’s ok. Like I said, we all have hills we’ll die on for humankind and this AI one is not mine.

You probably won’t care much about childhood hunger here and that’s totally fine, your hill is maybe this AI taking over business… Am I calling you a horrible person for not caring about women being raped in the Congo? Gtfoh with your fake outrage, talking about “it says a lot about the type of person you are”. The gall!