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On Start-Up Nov 13, 2020
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I think some people are missing the point.

Catfishing, although bad, is a much lesser crime than Impersonation Fraud or Identity Theft. And FYI, catfishing although unethical is not a crime, impersonation is a crime.

On an online dating site, when you pretend you make make believe facts about yourself, like you are athletic, handsome, a soulful writer, but in reality you are just faking it. That is called catfishing, and it's deceitful and wrong, regardless of the motive. Plus the jig is up when the person decides to meet, and realizes he/she was catfished, and the relationship ends. This pales in comparison though to Impersonation or Identity Fraud

Impersonation Fraud is when someone pretends to be someone he is not. It's not only wrong, it's criminally wrong.

In fact, imagine this scenario.

There are identical twins. One is happy with a family, wife 2 kids, big mansion and etc... The other one, ended up an orphan, was abused and etc... One fated night, both men are in the bus together, they realize they are long lost twins. They have dinner and the poorer twin realizes how great his brother's life is. So he decides to murder his twin and take over his life. The wife, although he thinks his husband seems different, decides to live with the evil twin. Pretty sure this is a plot of some kdrama somewhere. And the person doing the pretending will 9/10 times be vilified by the audience.

I think people are missing the fact that, in Grandma and HJP's lie, the minute SDM tries to find out the real NDS or tries to find the truth, the jig is up, the lie is over.

In NDS case, if he wanted to keep up the lie for all eternity, he totally could. He could have pretended to be fake Dosan until he and SDM have kids, grow old and die. There lies the big thing wrong about it.

Why people still don't see this, I don't know. The writer should have spent more time making HJP more evil, and NDS more nicer, and consistent.
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Replying to LR_ Nov 13, 2020
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So like...did Yong Sil's developer outright agree to be a part of NoonGil? No struggle getting them aboard? And…
Nothing is shown or implied. We just assume that the developers of Yong Shil is in sandbox also and they are helping each other out.
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Replying to jasper Nov 13, 2020
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also dal mi and do san are dating lmaoo. why should he let his girl have "a moment" with his love rival?
a couple of things.

I think he was more afraid HJP would reveal the truth, which HJP was about to do, because he couldn't come up with any other answer to her question. NDS wasn't ready for the truth to come out, so he blindsided HJP here. You can see HJP reaction after the fact.

At this point, NDS knew that SDM relationship with him is still 80% because of 15 years fake Dosan. So he wasn't ready for the truth to come out yet.
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Replying to jasper Nov 13, 2020
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y'all just not gonna talk about how many times ji pyeong said their business was a failure and that do san would…
It's called tough love, and HJP even explains that.

They said "Out of all the VC's who came here, none was as harsh as you HJP" To which he replies, "because none of them are interested in your company, I am"

And if NDS doesn't have the mental to take criticism, then he doesn't deserve to be CEO.

He didn't pay NDS, because they didn't have an agreement, NDS showed up on his own volition.
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Replying to Kimsamsoom Nov 13, 2020
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It's a matter of does SDM want to marry someone like her dad (NDS), or her mom (HJP).HJP and the Mom are not risk…
And that may be the twist, now she will choose the other parent.
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Replying to pbjcruffin Nov 13, 2020
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Jokes aside, people be on HJP's side because of the letter from 15 years ago but it was not an entirely honest…
I can't speak for others, but the letters are not the main reason I like HJP.

My Main Reasons Are.

I enjoy the complexity and depth of his character.
He is acted well by KSH.
I feel he is more genuine than NDS
I feel he would benefit more from being with SDM than NDS.
I feel
His moments with SDM has more intensity, passion and chemistry than NDS scenes. And yes that includes the Ep. 7 Ending.
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Replying to ivana2202 Nov 13, 2020
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The thing is on ep 2, when Grandma told HJP the reason why Dalmi rejected all those guys because of NDS, Dalmi…
It's a matter of does SDM want to marry someone like her dad (NDS), or her mom (HJP).

HJP and the Mom are not risk taker, value money more.

NDS and Dad are both dreamers, value pride more than money.
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Replying to Amruta1009 Nov 13, 2020
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What JP did was fraud too. It was deceptive. He pretended to be DS in the letters a completely made up person…
Let's look at the facts.

Grandma started the lie, for good reasons, and for noble reasons. Over the span of 15 years never decided to tell SDM the truth.

HJP helped Grandma with her lie, but then after a years time, he left for university and lose touch with Grandma and SDM for 15 years until Grandma ask him to help with NDS.

NDS, is found by HJP, and asked to pretend to be the NDS from the letters for one night and end it with a lie telling SDM that the fake NDS has a girlfriend and is unavailable. And that would have worked, because SDM even says, "oh, you have a girlfriend." Fake NDS having a GF would have ended this pining SDM had, because it would have showed her that the love she felt for fake NDS was mutual, and fake NDS kind of waited for her in a way.

So up to the point, you can argue they are equally at fault. BUT THEN. If NDS had followed HJP, we wouldn't hear about fake NDS anymore, he would effectively be just a cherished memory for SDM.

BUT, guess what NDS decides to do? He decides to not only continue the lie, he decides to make the lie bigger and bigger, and more complex.

AT this point, Grandma is out of the picture, she has the least fault, as she actually wanted to tell the truth because, the sooner she knows the better.

At this point, HJP, is starting to question his feelings for SDM, so he decides to confront SDM and express his love... Oh wait, he can't, because by being at the work party and wingmanning NDS and even giving him his cars, he effectively is embroiled in this new lie of NDS. Now he has to spend his remaining time covering for NDS, pumping him, acting like his "brother".

The one time he wanted to tell SDM the truth, NDS cut him off, and made up a story that they were brothers.

At this point, NDS has started a brand new lie, it's no longer the same lie. Let's not kid ourselves, fake letters meant to make a young girl less lonely, is a lot different than a fake real life person. If this was real life, it would be considered fraud and is a jailable offence. NDS himself is the main person wanting to lie to grow and set up deeper roots. He even says, "I want to lie to live it's maximum life". This means, to get the girl, he doesn't mind to pretend to be the fake Dosan until it runs its course.

So those are the main differences between the three. I don't buy that they are equally at fault, initially yes. In fact I would say initially NDS had least fault. But after NDS continued to lie on his accord, it became a brand new, more painful lie, and all the hurt coming SDM way is entirely on his shoulders. There is no one else to blame, but i'm sure HJP will get blamed somehow.

The debt, as has been constantly discussed is not HJP real reason, Grandma even asked him, why all the trouble for a debt? In fact, as I have discussed before, HJP has nothing to gain by continuing to lie. But he is in no position to tell the truth either.
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Replying to Mazurek Nov 13, 2020
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I already feel sorry for Han Ji Pyung since he won't probably get the girl in the end V_V"
as long as it's Grandma HJP endgame, and they adopt Yong Shil I can be happy.
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Replying to Rajesh ch Nov 13, 2020
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I hope she ends up with jipyung don't get me wrong dosan is okay but he just nods at everything she says meanwhile…
I guess it's like saying.

I want the man who catches me as I fall, rather than the man who falls with me, LOL!
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Replying to OneAjhussi Nov 13, 2020
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A good mentor gives you knowledge and advices. A good lover gives you strength and confidence in yourself. Dal…
those descriptions can go either way.
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Replying to OneAjhussi Nov 12, 2020
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We don't chose who we fall in love with. Dal Mi fell in love with Do San in the park when their eyes met. It does…
I think NDS fell love at first sight at the park, I don't think SDM did.
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Replying to OneAjhussi Nov 12, 2020
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We don't chose who we fall in love with. Dal Mi fell in love with Do San in the park when their eyes met. It does…
I agree, falling in love can be a physical attraction thing at times. But there needs to be enough substance, the proper dynamic for the relationship to last.
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Replying to Start-Up Nov 12, 2020
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I'm just pointing out as a girl, I like men who guide me, help me even when i'm too proud to ask for help. Help me even when I feel I don't need it. For me, I feel more loved and nurtured that way.

When i'm with a man who just agrees with me on everything, and doesn't really disagree with me, not only does it stunt my growth, it makes me question how real the relationship is. Also, cute things, and aeghyo only goes so far in a relationship.

But of course, this is my point of view, i'm sure there are girls who prefer the guy who says yes to most things. Less arguments that way.

The thing about the step dad, interestingly enough HJP had already covered it by suggesting to record it. But yeah of course smashing the vase and defending her honour is going to look so much cooler as it's passionate. But NDS doing it actually got them in trouble, and if not for HJP's Sandboxing, they would have been in a big pickle.
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On Start-Up Nov 12, 2020
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Someone in the comments section mentioned that HJP was like the Sandbox. So it made me question. As a girl, do I fall in love with the man, who does what or agrees with whatever I tell him? Or the man who does things without me asking for my benefit?

HJP Sandbox Moments, the moments where he did things for SDM without being asked:

1. Of course the very original, the letters to young SDM. Although it was not his idea, he eventually kept at it for more than a year.

2. Finding the real NDS, and polishing him up to be presentable for SDM during the sister's party.

3. Tells CEO of Sandbox SDM might also be the girl the Sandbox logo is based on.

4. Makes edits to hackaton presentation

5. Makes edits and notes to noongil presentation.

6. Takes care of fortune plant, this is symbolic.

7. Gives SDM CSR list to help get funding.

8. Tells SDM to record meeting with morning group

9. Picks up SDM in the middle of nowhere, without her asking.

BONUS

How SDM did things for HJP without him asking.

1. She brought him a non combustible trash bag.

2. She brought him some pine nut soup.

3. She chose him as the mentor
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Replying to OneAjhussi Nov 12, 2020
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It would be sad to see him start as an orphan and also end alone. I hope they all find happiness.
Here is hoping the inventor of Yong Shil get's funded, and after the time skip, we see everyone using Yong Shil :)
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Replying to OneAjhussi Nov 12, 2020
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NDS is a good and nice guy but he is smart enough to see that HJP is not helping him and STT. HJP is just helping…
Maybe your right, But I still ship HJP and SDM, as hopeless as it may be.
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Replying to Who cares Nov 12, 2020
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Maybe NDS wants SDM to love him for what he is now and not the 15 years one ago becuz they aren't the same persons,…
Yes, I don't want to see you cry is a very BS answer.

You are spot on and I agree 100%
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On Start-Up Nov 12, 2020
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"She won't get hurt, i'll make sure she doesn't"

Good Boy HJP will martyr himself for SDM sake, not sure how, but it's going to happen...

Please please happy ending for HJP even if he doesn't end up with SDM.
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Replying to Kimsamsoom Nov 12, 2020
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NDS has a hard time controlling his temper from what we've seen. I'm pretty certain he will throw the success…
That wouldn't make sense for the WIJ arc. Nor does it make sense for the friends arc as well.
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