Kimsamsoom

You've made these same comments about flix patrol several times as well. And you've brought up the ratings debate several times, eventhough, I myself, have said not to do so, because it should not matter in the end. Bringing ratings to the equation to convince people the show is good, just creates controversy and potentially increase the toxicity of these boards.

Have you ever seen me post "lol! KTEM is less than 10% what a flop?" No, I don't because I ignore the local ratings.

it goes both ways you know calling people out, when you are doing the same thing you are saying they are doing.

If you look at other similarly panned shows on MDL, the comment sections are the same. Mostly negative, reflecting what most people thought of the show. It's not so surprising.

https://mydramalist.com/4236-big

https://mydramalist.com/14457-cheese-in-the-trap

Compare that to MDL comments of good shows

https://mydramalist.com/35729-emergency-lands-of-love

https://mydramalist.com/36269-doctor-playbook

You are comparing a publicly traded company that employs 46,000 people worldwide, with Flix patrol, a website that was created no more than 7 months ago? by people, who by their own admission, just love streaming. Also please, pray tell and show me an advertiser, entertainment company, or production company, that uses flix patrol in their decision making.

And your heavily implying flix patrol is more accurate than Neilsen. Eventhough Neilsen very clearly explains how its metrics are derived, while flix patrol doesn't? The reason you can't find data for flixpatrol in 2019 is because the feature top 10 in netflix only started in 2020. Also once again, you are downplaying the importance of local ratings to prop up international ratings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_Holdings

You're statement here has a few inaccuracies and misleading statements. Let me just address the more glaring ones.

First off, the new netflix feature Top 10 in Netflix is a new feature. It was rolled out in early 2020.

https://media.netflix.com/en/company-blog/see-whats-popular-on-netflix

Flix patrol though, from what I can gather, is completely basing it's ratings on the Top 10 feature of NFLX. A metric they do not control, nor do they know how it is properly calculated. They just update based on what they see in their screens in a particular country.

Here is another website showing the same ratings, and discussing how these numbers are based on the top 10 on netflix feature.

https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/most-popular/

Here is an articles from Forbes discussing how the new feature is a possible way for Netflix to "Plug" it's own shows, KTEM falls under this.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/02/25/netflixs-top-10-what-is-it-and-why-has-it-shown-up-now/#517ef4783e61

NFLX considers a show as viewed, after you watch TWO MINUTES of a show. Let that sink in, two minutes of a show. FYI in the past, they tracked viewership when someone has viewed 70% of the show. So, if someone views it for 2-5 minutes, get's bored, or not interested and watches something else. That counts as a view. I myself have watched the trailer for the show, then decide to move on, or watch 3 minutes of a show and switched elsewhere.

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/netflix-top-10-list-feature

Critics have already panned the new metric, calling it a manipulative way for Netflix to manipulate it's views.

https://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-netflix-ratings-20190124-story.html

https://www.wired.com/story/netflix-viewership-two-minutes/

Please consider this rating from China, one of the biggest countries in the world. With over 37,000 votes, they ranked it 7.3/10. I believe China is the 2nd biggest consumer of Kdrama in the world. You will also find a lot of articles in China criticizing KTEM.

So in Korea, the biggest consumer of Kdrama content, the ratings are low. In China, the second most biggest consumer of Kdrama content, it's panned. But let's consider the smaller Kdrama consuming international market as more accurate?

https://movie.douban.com/subject/33437305//

Lastly, I'm pretty sure majority of people don't come to the comment section to decide whether to watch KTEM or not. Most will at least watch 1-5 episodes, then come to the comment section. If they want to watch it, ratings, either locally or internationally should not matter.

Anyway, I love these discussions. And as I've said to you before, let us just ignore Neilsen ratings, NFLX viewerships, international viewership, and wavve viewership. Instead, lets focus on the shows positive and negative aspects and engage in good discussions.

I initially thought it would make for a very cool plot device, that rather than parallel worlds, ROK and KOC are on the same timeline, just different time period.

So in my mind, Kingdom of Corea is actually the year 1994. And Republic of Korea is actually 2020.

So we are in essence seeing the present/past = KOC
And the future = ROK

oh god, don't remind me about all those plot holes, lol

lol, this is comedy gold!

By the way, I don't remember.

But did they ever explain the link of ES and JY?

I seem to recall one episode JY get's burned by coffee and ES while holding bubble tea, also felt the heat?

Sorry in advance for silly question

lol, this is epic, I want at least half these things to happen!

lol at these,
specially loved the TE and SJ convo lol. That is exactly what went down.

I could use a good laugh, can you give me the link for the soompi one?

I agree, I also have a problem with sudden memories and disappearing things.

Also just as an added head scratcher, are we to assume that time does not move at all in the time space world? How do the flowers grow then?

And if we assume time just moves slowly, wouldn't LG technically be 4 months older than what he is suppose to be in Ep 15?

And if he is 4 months older, how does he merge with his past self?

Plot twist!

To be honest, this is all just a waste of time to talk about the numbers It's all 3rd hand information with unreliable sources. Unless you and I own wavve, who knows how many people are actually using it.

Anyway here is an article this year. Wavve is still behind Netflix in Korea and has approx 1.4M subscribers as of Jan 2020.

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3072407

Here is another article. 3.4% market share for netflix and 2% for wavve. We know NFLX has 2M subscribers approximately. Youtube is king in Korea apparently.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200301000103

Here is another article talking about how the success of OTT services may be short lived.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/art/2020/05/689_288778.html

I know where the numbers of 14M came from, i've seen the articles. But it's just not accurate.

Here is another article detailing total number of OTT providers in SK. Key word here is total. with revenues of $58,000,000 and average cost of about $6. Total number of subscribers is approx 10,000,000 subscribers. BUT this is split between netflix, disney plus, apple tv, youtube, wavve and etc... So it's not like it's 10M subscribers for wavve alone.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/art/2020/04/689_287407.html

Anyway, agree to disagree.

I still cannot fathom, why the umbrella he always carries around, he just dumps in favor of a gun, an old timey gun.

I also still don't understand by the way, why the gun doesn't work. I'm explained before that in previous time freezes, we are shown physics, chemistry are all still in play.

An example of this is when LG is holding the newspaper, it is falling way before time even resumes, So gravity is working here.

Another example is when JY is time froze, LG writes a note saying "Do you believe now" using a ballpoint pen. If LG's gun trigger won't pull, the ballpoint should not be working either, because the process of the ink coming out of a ballpoint pen is mechanical, just like the gun. But ofc LG has no problem writing the message down.

Too many time freeze inconsistencies.

Always in favor of LG, never for LR lol, poor villain

wavve, from all i'm reading is not free, it's a streaming platform similar to netflix, actually it competes with netflix.

15 million paying subscribers in Korea is A LOT. Like a lot a lot, Keep note population of korea is 50ish million, and the people who would most likely pay for a subscription like wavve is between 20-40 years old.

The demographic for 20-40 million people is 20 million people, with a little bit more being females. Since it's understood most drama watchers are females, the numbers get even smaller.

2M of 20 mil are NFLX subscribers.

So you are assuming that 77% of the viewing population, approx 18M, of korea ages 20-40 are using wavve. A paid service. If Wavve was free, this may be possible, but it's not.

This is just near impossible IMO.

Netflix doesn't even have these numbers. The us has approx 60M accounts, and the population of people in US who are 20-40 is 110M approximately. So that's just 60%. But netflix has been around MUCH MUCH MUCH longer than wavve has.

Do you understand where I am coming from? I have to ask, because I very clearly already wrote, why I think the number of 15m subscribers are misleading and I placed a lot of factual data to support my statement and it seems you just ignored all of it to write your piece.

I've forgotten the first rule of the internet. Do not feed the trolls.

My mistake, thanks for reminding me.

Planned a coup to kill LG and his father.

FAIL

Planned on getting the second half of the flute, to for some reason not explained, to be able to enter LR's father's time space world and enter another time in the past aside from the coup .

FAIL

Planned to build an army to be able to be able to challenge for the monarchy in Corea.

FAIL

Plan to tell his past self about his failure during the coup to change the future.

FAIL

Planned to have a nurse nearby to prevent fake LG mom from dying

FAIL

Planned to use dopplegangers in place in Korea to serve as spies and political allies

FAIL

Planned to kidnap TE as bait for LG

FAIL

Planned to kill TE with his henchmen

FAIL

Planned to use fake LG mom to surprise citizens that the queen is still alive.

FAIL

Planned to blackmail SJ to kill LG

FAIL

Plan to kill LG using a old timey rifle.

FAIL

Why I think LR has become the worst Villain in all of Kdrama. My thoughts. Let me know if i'm missing any other failures.

I think LG did explain to TE, that's why he even says theres a chance they will not see each other anymore, and that's why TE asked SJ to give her the flute.

I think rather then the poison food, Lee Rim just lost his marble, because plan after plan of his was foiled, and he probably just lost it and was not thinking rationall. Let's run it down.

Actually for the longest time, there were no comments on the ratings. Nobody even bothers to mention that local ratings were going up or down.

Until some people kept bringing up international ratings, flixpatrol ratings, wavve, and etc..

Then the comment section just kind of lost its way.

So basically if I were to understand Charlotte. This is how ep 14 - 15 panned out.

So in ep 14 after LG saves himself, he effectively is stuck in the past, and has no way to go to the future, except to wait it out.

He ends up staying 4 months in the time space world so he will not age.

He comes out a few times to make sure everything is happening the way its suppose to happen.

After 4 months is done, he comes out and reunites with TE in the ep 15.

When he comes out, all his memories of the past 25 years gets merged into his brain.