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So, I was not going to talk about this issue but the comments are clogged with these kinda discussions every now and then, that it has become hard not to ignore. So, I will say this just one time. Multiple people have mentioned several times about how they are not comfortable with conversations about You Know Who and yet many people (not just his stans) continue to mention his name in the page of a drama that is no longer related to him. And it is tiring to see that.

And of course, yes, everyone has the right to express their opinions on here. But I do believe there is a separate time and place for discussing fandom issues that are outside the scope of this drama (like the co-star of the lead actor and what his stans do). Like Twitter is right there. (And if you want to further keep talking about these things, maybe use content warnings on top of your comments, heck, maybe even Trigger Warning when it comes to That Man because That Man does really trigger some of us here, lol).

Now, I understand the concern yall have for Bible.. I really do, but Bible is a grown ass man with a legal and PR team at his disposal, he will handle things if it gets too much for him. All some of you are doing is spreading the fan war to places where it does not belong. And that too a fan war with a fandom that has proved itself to survive on a single braincell, and do you seriously expect to reason with people like that who support a racist, misogynistic, rape apologist, abusive piece of shit?

Like, I have that man's name and everything related to him muted on Twitter and all other socmed platforms. I have lost the patience to listen to that pos after the second Notes App apology. I really do not wish to see anything that has to do with him and his fans, that is one reason why I left the kptwt and been keeping my distance ever since. But I was excited for this new drama but seeing how Twitter was plagued with the same old discourse, I decided to stick to MDL and Tumblr because these spaces are predominantly focused on analyzing dramas and sharing opinions. So, imagine my annoyance when I have to see this whole bs going on here too. It is honestly tiring and frustrating to say the least.

I firmly believe the comment section of this page is not suitable such fandom discourses. These kinda conversations usually happen on other socmed platforms, LIKE TWITTER IS RIGHT THERE!! Or at least put content warnings because MDL does not offer a filter option for comments. Or make a new topic in the discussions tab, or maybe move these conversations to the forums or something, idk.

And friendly reminder to some other people: maybe don't speculate actor's sexualities based on artistic choices that were not even theirs to make. Also, maybe have a little bit of respect on the actors while explaining in EXCRUTIATING detail the NC scenes (that is - oversexualisation - comparing them to sex dolls, and speculating if an actor has ever been penetrated because the acting in certain scenes were apparently very bad).

I've also noticed people in the comments who are not interested in talking about celebrities at all, people who are more focused on the drama in its whole, so I think we should take their comfort into consideration too. Because at the end of the day, just because he is the lead, does not mean the whole drama revolves around Bible as a celebrity. (Bible as an actor, yes, but not as a celebrity - that is stuff not related to 4 Minutes - that is stuff related to his ex fricking co star and fans).

And please respect Sammon, it is tiring seeing people call her names. I'm not talking about valid criticism but stuff like shaming her appearance and character which is totally not true and uncalled for. Also other actors too. Please maintain some decorum if you can. I'm saying this because drama comment sections are for public discussions, and are often frequented by the general public and drama enthusiasts, and it is not just for fandom goers. You can maybe move these kinda discussions to the forums or discussion topics and keep the comment section in the drama pages only for discussions related to the drama.

Now. If they don't start answering some of these questions in the next episode, I'm going to start believing that a lot of these things are just plot holes (and technical errors).

I have quite a few in mind but I'll just keep it to myself until the next episode airs. I was rewatching the last episode.. and as much as I agree that it was one of the best episodes so far, the people who pointed out that this episode didn't offer anything new are right. This episode really was just elaborating on the stuff we already knew.. It felt as if the episode offered so much yet so little at the same time. Emotionally, I was on the edge of my seat and teared up at quite a few places (from Nan's story to the stuff between Great and his Mom, even that little peck in the car made my eyes water).

But now that I start thinking about how this all fits in grand scheme of things, I really feel like I am back to square one. DONT GET ME WRONG, I love dramas that slowly build suspense and keep me guessing. But there is a limit to keep guessing when they do not provide any new information at all and keep going round and round. Or maybe I read one too many fan theories that were better than what is actually happening in the drama rn, lol. So if they don't really chop chop and answer some of the important questions that have been repeatedly asked, at least in the next episode, I might put this on hold for now and binge the rest when the last episode airs (praying to the drama lords for a few drops of self control).

And how does that make him homophobic? There are actors who get high to get roles done. It is upto them how they choose to approach the execution of a role or a scene.

Besides. The script, the director, and the intimacy coordinator all exist for a reason. Even if the actors can improvise, they're expected to stick to what the script demands of them. You are accusing an actor of being homophobic based on ARTISTIC CHOICES that weren't even solely his to make.

If you have clips or reports of him explicitly saying or doing something outright homophobic, bring that. Then we'll talk. I do not want to speculate stuff about how he is in REAL LIFE based on a few scenes in a drama where he is ACTING.

i made a whole flowchart thingie for the plot 😭😭 might share it tumblr or twt later, i'll share the link if i do post hehe

I don't think Jes would agree to eating ass on screen if he was homophobic, but that's just me. He's already an established Lakorn actor with a good number of roles under his belt, so he is not in this solely for the bag and coins. Maybe instead of being concerned about what air passes through other's asses, you try taking your head out of your own ass and look at why short pecks made more sense in these scenes instead of having them shove their tongues down each other's throat.

That too. That is the obvious theory, that's why I didn't mention it, lol. Seeing things that aren't real = him hallucinating because of his substance abuse or mental health. But the other possibilities cannot be ignored because the screenwriter has already mentioned the drama will include Spirits and some supernatural elements, so people have been contemplating. And OP asked about what people were talking about, hence, I just told them about what people were talking about: which were the timelines merging.

Yknow, my initial theory was Tongkla killed Title for revenge. But then I noticed something in the drama.. so if Tongkla only killed Title, there will be this one particular technical error/plothole 🥲🥲 unless it will make sense in some other way, im not sure...

Now that is something I definitely did not see coming!!! :o Also I am going to ignore the first half of your post about the timeline for my sanity 😭😭😭 because i had the same question of what if this wasn't the new timeline but the original and my brain is now scrambled eggs 😭😭😭

We're saved if it is like that 😭 I have one too many angsty and tragic scenarios in my head and I just hope it won't come to that haha.. but I think I like idea that in actual timeline, they are more Enemies to Lovers, like they start off being very against each other but somehow still manage to fall in love.. but then again, I wonder if Tyme will accept Great that easily know Great's family.. and even if he did accept, would he do smth that would bring eventual harm to Great.. Tyme seems like the person who will be set to his goal, so I want to them to show them in EXCRUTIATING DETAIL how Tyme falls for Great 😤😤 i need it 😤😤 also I think I will go sleep, my brain is running a million thoughts at the same time 😭😭😭

They're the same person?????? :o I mean the person who shot them both

That is the thing, if Tyme is the one who released it to media or shared with a second party... Then what does that mean for GreatTyme's relationship 😭😭

Yeah, like there is a chance that none of this might've happened the way it is shown. Like in Great's memory/flashback/past/original timeline, Nan is shot dead. But in the present timeline/dreamscape, he saves her and she is the one who releases the information about Great's family business. In the original timeline, if Nan is dead, then who released the information??? 🥲🥲🥲

That's true!! (And they also have an actress assigned to play that character, so she'll definitely show up at one point in time). THE WAIT IS TOO MUCH AAA and boc must've known what they were doing by not releasing previews like 😭 that's got people more hooked and desperate at the same time 😭

I am at a point in this plot where I'm questioning everything. Until the last few minutes of the recent episode, I thought I understood where this was going. But then shiz went down and now I'm back to square one wondering wtf actually happened 😭😭 I think that is one thing I absolutely adore about this show - you think you know where it is going but then you don't. This tumblr post sums up all the questions running through my head rn:

https://www.tumblr.com/itzsarahhh/759633398593650688/i-am-so-curious-about-the-original-timeline-or-the?source=share

What is true and what is not, because.. if all these were just changes Great tried to make, now I'm actually scared for what really happened in the original timeline 🤧

It is a bit unclear to me, too.

As far as I can understand, it is solely a gambling establishment. The women must have joined the place as gamblers. And I think because of the nature of their job, they are not allowed to leave. I'm not really sure but I don't remember seeing any mention of prostitution..? What might be happening is work place sexual harassment and abuse by men in power. It is already a shady place to begin with.

Filthy, disgusting men like Sa-Marn seems to be taking advantage of women like Nan. From the blood on his shirt sleeve, I think he killed the pregnant lady too. I'm not sure how or why the pregnant lady was killed, I have one assumption, but that is just too gruesome. Maybe someone else will be able to explain this better than me :((

I think some of the women working there were being abused by the men who worked there?? Samarn worked there, right.. and they already showed that scene with Samarn and Nan before, so.. that might be what it is? I do not know about Mod, tho..

You know what. I don't think I will be able to get over the way Great asked his mom to run away. He was shot but the first thing he found the strength to say was to protect her. But I think he knew.. of course, he obviously knew what was going to happen next. Maybe that is why... Especially after that fight, I think the last words he wanted his mother to hear, to know was that he loves her still. And that was so sad. AND ALSO BIBLE'S EXPRESSION OMFG I CANNOT 😭😭

OHH!!! That would be kinda cool!! Ah, I cannot believe we have to go back to waiting for another whole week, sigh :((

besties, if you ever find (or make) edits of this drama to RUNNING UP THAT HILL or MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, please please please share it with me, i am begging on my knees 😭😭😭😭😭😭

Oh yeah!! And Natcha has not made an appearance in person yet, right? I wonder if she will in any of the following episodes..