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Replying to Vniverse • 5 days ago
Well it happens in most dramas.... "Oooh The beautiful righteous daughter of a blahblah family is to be married…
It's one thing when both leads are subjected to that treatment and then fall in love later. It's another when one of them schemes to make it happen without the other knowing/wanting it. This feels like a very 2ML move to me...
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Replying to Big_Red_1011 • 5 days ago
Even without that background, FL isn’t very thrilled at the developments. No one would be thrilled by having…
Great, thanks. :)
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Replying to Kate • 5 days ago
I write it a few times, but I honestly believe without "forced" marriage (we still don't really now the…
Why/how do we know they wouldn't do anything if warned? I must have missed that.
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Replying to yueyue_ • 5 days ago
The Lins are really not at fault tbh. The Shens saw it coming but the grandfather was just selfish and wanted…
But where are you getting this take from? Can you give me the episode minutes?
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On Against the Current • 5 days ago
Viki only has up to Episode 21, so I can't catch up to where everyone else is, but I'm not super pleased to see comments that Jin Qi will force Lan Xiang to marry him... if it was to protect her and he KNEW she didn't like Han, then maybe I could accept it with several caveats. But if it's to keep her from marrying Han (and without getting her opinion on the matter at all?)? Doesn't he want a wife that admires him like he admires Lan Xiang? And how can she admire him if he forces the clever, independent, free-spirited Lan Xiang without getting her permission?

And I see some people saying the Lins are not at fault or involved in the Shen's massacre, but going off of Episode 1, they could have warned the Shens (the ML even suggested that they do so!) and Grandpa Lin chose not to. I think that's enough to give the Lins a healthy dose of guilt without thinking it'd be out of place. Don't know how Jin Qi turned out to be so level-headed and thoughtful when everyone in his family is so... not that way.
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Replying to Big_Red_1011 • 5 days ago
Even without that background, FL isn’t very thrilled at the developments. No one would be thrilled by having…
In which episode does she find out he's making her marry him?
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Replying to Arthenha • 6 days ago
Two episodes in and I really want to continue but I find the whole lie so disgusting. She was kidnapped , beaten,…
It doesn't make complete sense, no. But the ML gives his reasoning for why they can't tell her, and I think it works well enough (definitely for the beginning), because she didn't trust them yet.

As for the second qualm you mention, how far have you gotten? Again, the reasoning doesn't make complete sense, but if you keep watching, you'll see the main reason why no one reported her missing.
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Replying to circulate9oo • 6 days ago
I haven't logged in here in MDL in a very long time, but just want to say I'm so obsessed with this drama. Love…
I'm only in Episode 16, but Jin Qi's already flirting up a storm. 😅

And sadly, I think Lan Xiang is still too wrapped up in "survival mode" to register it.
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Replying to haloum • 6 days ago
There are so many moments on this drama that make me think "Of course a woman wrote and directed this <3…
Yeah, it does feel different that way. It also shows how tenuous all of life is for literally everyone, rich or poor. Everyone's just clawing to survive; but it's portrayed from far more of the lower classes' perspectives, which is really interesting.

There are tried and true Cdrama elements to this, for sure, but definitely some stuff I'm not used to seeing. It's refreshing.
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Replying to Eleison • 7 days ago
Title Taxi Driver
What do you mean by "highly questionable"? 😏 I'm trying to picture that phrase with "traditional…
Ooh, this is helpful. Thank you for clarifying! And yes, I'm well. Hope you are, too. ☺️
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On Against the Current • 7 days ago
Is this drama not dubbed? The children sound like children. It also just seems so crisp and everyone's voice seems to fit their looks and I see no discrepancy in the sounds and movement of everyone's lips. If it is dubbed, it's done much better than most Cdramas.

I also love the slow pace that builds slowly. The story just takes its sweet time, and I kind of love it.
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Replying to Eleison • 8 days ago
Title A Love Other than Yours Spoiler
How do you think the story (or characters) would need to be changed in order for it to appeal to men? It sounds…
I think I ultimately agree with you on most of this, and that was well put. Entertainment rarely gives people who are not interested in listening pause to reconsider.

Where I still might push back is that sometimes it takes writers and storytellers time to write good characters from a different angle, and while I vastly prefer romance or female-centric stories with the men and women both being portrayed thoughtfully and as fully human, each in their own right, that kind of writing requires a lot of care and thought and insight on cultural norms and how to subvert them (or uphold them) in ways that preserve human dignity, and it's not easy to do. People have just started realizing that writing strong women does not just mean "writing them like men," and so it will take time to portray women well who are strong, but not just some female version of a man (and vice versa for a man; men see how demeaning it feels to be written as an accessory to another person's life, and it's really telling that that's often what happens when someone just flips the roles in a romance or story. Turns out no one likes feeling like that, and it becomes glaringly obvious to men in a way that it wasn't obvious to women for a long time because that portrayal of them was all they knew; very much like the portrayal of blacks in media for many decades in the U.S.).

And that said, thoughtful guys who are not super entitled and who want to grow and listen and consider another perspective despite being in a place of "privilege" of never having to think a certain way (or men who are in a minority position who can relate to women in this sense), and who engage real, flesh and blood people who are trying to thoughtfully wrestle with these issues are the guys who are noticing and embracing and adapting their views. It's easy to dismiss people's experiences in media or on the internet, but much harder to do when they're your friend or coworker or family member and you're facing them across a table or hearing where they're coming from while looking into their eyes as they share their deeply felt opinions.

I feel like (and I could be completely wrong on this) the men I meet who are often railing against this (admittedly somewhat unbalanced) trend in media at the moment on MDL are experiencing one of the following: 1) spending a great deal of their time engaging/building community on the internet, annd/or 2) in a bubble where very few people think differently from them who can challenge or pushback on their assumptions (whether on the internet or in person), and/or 3) men who think these "feminist ideas" are ruining the dating pool and making it harder to find girlfriends or wives who "think like them," so they are bitter and angry.

A good example of a Cdrama I really liked that made most of the men in the story "accessories" was New Life Begins. And the reason I was okay with it was because it was pretty satirical, and painfully caricatured on purpose (like the Barbie movie), to make a point (satire is TRYING to offend, and educate and awaken and reframe BY offending). But generally I get excited about the dramas that portray men and women thoughtfully and humanly. My favorite Cdrama like this was Flourished Peony and it's sequel, In The Name Of Blossom. I've never seen a romance like that one and it completely blew me away how they wrote the leads' interactions. Anyway, thanks for dialoguing! It's fun to wrestle through this stuff with others, even if we don't always see eye to eye. I always learn a lot when I do. :)
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Replying to Eleison • 8 days ago
Title The Scandal
Enjoyed reading this, though I know I probably wouldn't enjoy the drama. It's so interesting to think about how…
Yes, definitely.
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Replying to Cora • 9 days ago
Title The Scandal Spoiler
There’s something so deeply unhinged about watching Yun and Won sit there and basically go, “You know what…
Enjoyed reading this, though I know I probably wouldn't enjoy the drama.

It's so interesting to think about how manipulation so easily becomes the playbook of people in relationships without freedom. I remember hearing so many stories from history about women "behind the man" manipulating things and pulling the strings from behind the scenes. And I think some people commenting for a long time would frame that as "the way women are," and I've come to realize it was actually more like "all they could manage without freedom." Pretty heartbreaking...
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On Spring of the Blade • 9 days ago
The original creator and screenwriter seem pretty inexperienced (nothing in their filmography that's notable or highly rated), but the director did Under The Microscope, which I loved. I'll keep an eye on this drama for that reason (and because I've never seen a drama with Xu Kai yet).
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Replying to Clinically-Insane • 10 days ago
Title A Love Other than Yours Spoiler
This isn't for a male audience. I'm generalizing here so I'll rephrase, this isn't for majority of male audience…
How do you think the story (or characters) would need to be changed in order for it to appeal to men? It sounds like you're saying that the ML is an accessory to the FL's character, like he merely exists to aid HER growth as a character. Am I understanding you correctly?

If so, I agree that balanced media/stories would show BOTH characters (ML and FL) growing. Many Kdramas these days do tend lean more into female centric stories (and I think you'd be right that guys usually aren't the target audience, or super into stories like that. I can almost always tell when a guy is in the comment section of a Kdrama romcom because I frequently see them calling the MLs in these Kdramas "simps"...).

But I will admit, I don't always mind stories like this, if done well. Stories in media for decades always had women as the man's accessory, always supporting, rarely leading... I imagine watching stories like this as a guy is probably how it felt for women to watch media for... a really long time. And I can see how that would be frustrating. In an ideal world, I would prefer a more balanced depiction, too.

The reason I don't mind this type of portrayal as much anymore is because I think it's harder for guys to feel manly in supporting roles (and easier to relegate women to those "accessory," "supportive" roles for a lot of reasons), and I think that's a cultural shift that needs to be done away with. And while showing a man as an accessory to a woman's growth is not ideal, it might give guys pause to think, "It doesn't feel nice to be portrayed this way. Maybe treating women like this in story (or life) is also not great." If media depictions do something as remotely productive as fostering this kind of thought, I can get behind it.
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On The Auditors • 11 days ago
Title The Auditors
I enjoyed it, though it took me a little while to finish.This drama is what would happen if Mary Poppins took place in an office setting. She cleans house, and sets everyone's priorities straight; that's exactly what Shin Cha Il does in this setting. 😏
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