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Seriously do you not understand that there is no evidence showing diviner and prince ding were in prison at the same time.

Like you just admitted, no where was it mentioned that prince ding was arrested before the fire, so literally what makes you think he didn't just arrive in the capital after the fire, after diviner was killed, after empress dowager was in power. If he arrived later, then your whole argument of using the edict to save diviner is pointless as he would be dead already. You're pretty much just guessing he was arrested before the fire without any factual evidence. All your evidence points to him being in the capital prison which is obvious but not when he was in the capital prison. What makes you think he was arrested before the fire and not after, what makes you think he didn't arrive in the capital weeks after the fire and empress dowager was already in power. Theres nothing backing that up.

Again you didn't even answer my question, where in the drama was it mentioned or established that prince ding was captured before the fire was set. Your whole argument was consort could have used the edict to save diviner, as they were in prison at the same time. But absolutely nothing points to them being in prison at the same time. They were in the same prison yes, but same time, nothing proves that.

So once again, where was it established prince ding was captured before the fire was set, how do you know he simply did not return/arrive in the capital a few weeks or even months after the fire was set and the diviner was killed.

The empress dowager only gained power after the fire. Where in the drama was it established prince ding was captured before the fire was set.

If the fire was set after ding was captured, then logically empress dowager would not have been in power when he was captured and thus fl's mother could have gotten the edict no problem because why would the ye family side with empress dowager if she was not in power yet.

Your timeline makes no sense and has no basing from the drama. Please tell me where it was mentioned prince ding was captured before the fire was set, this was never mentioned once.

In your timeline, prince ding was captured, then you say he was imprisoned before and during the fire, so if thats the case, empress dowager would not be in power yet and thus ye family would have no reason to stop fl's mother from using the edict. It was never mentioned that prince ding was captured before the fire that is my point.

Again idk what you don't understand, yes he was put in the capital prison, but when was he in the capital prison is the key. He would not have been put in the prison before or during the fire in the palace because if he returned before the fire, the old emperor would have still been alive and would have vouched that he summoned him back to the capital. There is absolutely no proof showing when he was in prison Thats what I don't think you understand, yeh he was definitely in the capital prison, but when is the key. There has been no mention of when he was put it, you are completely assuming he was in prison the same time as the diviner. But what if by the time he returned from the border which is far away, it was weeks or months after the palace fire. The fact that fl's family sided with empress dowager shows that it was a time when empress dowager had already cemented her power which takes time, they would not side with her if they were unsure. So diviner was arrested and likely killed a few days after the fire quite quickly, maybe ml's brother had not even returned to the capital by then. Thats my whole point.

You're completely assuming they were in prison at the same time, don't you understand that. There has been no information proving when ml's brother was in prison. He only returned after the empress dowager was in power otherwise he would not have been arrested by the old emperor, so all this happened after the fire. So what exactly makes you think they were in the capital prison at the same item. Yes they were both in the capital prison, but nothing proves it was at the same time. The diviner could have been killed before ml's brother ever even returned to the capital, then theres no point in consort using the edict because he's already dead.

Prince ding would not have been put in prison before or during the fire, only after once empress dowager had power, as before the fire the old emperor was alive as far as we know and could vouch for him.

Also just fyi we literally saw fl as a child approach ml's brother on the execution ground and give him a drink so definitely possible but thats not even my argument

They are complete assumptions. 1. how do you know who when ml's brother returned to the capital, how soon after the eastern palace burnt. By your own words, dividener was apprehended immediately as a suspect. What if ml's brother only returned weeks after the eastern palace was burnt and diviner was dead. We just know ml's brother he was arrested and imprisoned but we don't know how long after the eastern palace was burnt did that happen, thats my point. You're completely assuming they were in prison the same time, what if ml's brother returned a couple weeks after the palace was burnt, then divine would be dead. There are no facts which point to them being in prison at the same time because there are on facts or clue which show when ml's brother was in prison, how soon after did he return to the capital form when the palace was burnt. Just because he was in capital prison, there has been no information showing us when he was in capital prison thats the whole point, you're completely just assuming he was in capital prison at the same time as divine, when it could have been weeks or months later. Especially since traveling from the border I'm guessing is a long way from the capital.

2. Also my point is we don't know what was in the edict, you're assuming once again that is was just a. common edict summoning him back but thats just an assumption. What if the edict had more information, information he couldn't share or that was secret and could make big waves. You don't know, you're just taking it at face value that it was a simple edict summoning him back.

My point stands you've made a lot of assumptions without the relevant information to back it up. Just taking everything at face value.

Again, thats all we've been told it summoned him back but what did it say, did it have a reason for summoning him back, did it say anything else, so much information we don't know. How do you know he was still alive then, diviner was imprisoned after palace was burnt, by had ml's brother reached the capital by then, or did he reach it after, we don't know when he reached the capital, how soon after the eastern palace was burnt, we just know he reached the capital after it was burnt, not how soon after, because by them time he returned empress dowager was already in power. So it does not mean ml's brother was incarcerated at the same time. So we're just building assumptions without the necessary info, let us fine out what really happened then judge.

I think theres so much we didn't know it's not right to draw conclusions so quickly. We like stories like this because of the layered story telling, so we need to give it time. For instance, we don't know when she got the edict, maybe it was after the diviner died. Or what the edict says or hell all we know is FL's father said she got the edict, but what if she doesn't. What if she intends to use the edict for something else, for revenge or something . And in her mind, empress dowager is already helping her so who exactly could she trade the edict with. Exposing she has the edict would only make her a target for empress dowager to kill so theres no witnesses there was even an edict. Still so many questions that we need to give the drama time to give answers to, I don't think theres been any contradictions between the plot and consrt Qin so far.

I mean the love rival princess and who she comes with is actually a huge part of the novel, thats the enemy country entering, the country that crippled ML, the opposing country they were at war with, thats a pretty big development. As for as consort Qin, why is everyone so rushed. Barely half way and we're rushing to find out everything, can we give it time to develop. Consort Qin we don't know much about, we'll find out more, about I'm sure, well get one explanation on why she still has the edict, if she even does, that hasn't even been confirmed yet we just have fl's fathers word. I'm not really sure what you're refering to when you said inconsistencies between plot and character, what is the issue with consort Qin having the edict?

LOL lowkey love when actors and actresses do this always fun

I'm not defending it, I clearly said lets wait and see and decide in the end if its poor writing or not. But if you consider waiting till the end to judge a dramas writing defending it blindly, tells everybody what's they ned to know about you as a viewer. And it's hardly a fk up, as everyone has provided reasons but you don't accept them, but that after all is a matter of opinion, sad to see someone so jaded by past viewing experiences.

No one is asking you to defend it, but look at you, as soon as you have a question or something doesn't make sense to you in the moment/what the information we currently have you jump too oh it must be bad writing, they missed information, they screwed up. How about before saying they fked up the plot, or saying it's bad writing we wait and see the whole story before judging. That exactly the problem with viewers like yourself, a layered plot means we need to wait for answers, but some viewers if they don't get the answer immediately, start saying bad writing, missing information. Let's actually wait and see if they give us the information first before jumping to conclusions.

Yes but this isn't those dramas is it, maybe before rushing to judgement we see how it plays out. Thats the whole point of layered storytelling, we don't find out everything at once, maybe have some patience. Already causing the drama of missing information or bad writing when we're not even half way. Saw a comment below asking why we can't enjoy storytelling like this dramas more often, because people like you want instant answers or you question the dramas writing immediately, like damn.

This is one of the reasons we can't enjoy good storytelling like this anymore, people want instant gratification and explanations. As soon as something doesn't make sense people call it poor writing before we even know the answer. Like damn give it some time, not even half way through, lets find out what really happened then we can decide if its poor writing or not.

They didn't do that here though, fl very clearly set boundaries, quickly rejecting him outright very clearly multiple times and and then also straight away told ml her history with 2ml and why she will never be with him.

thats crazy to know wow sad to hear that

Also has BJT!

Has it? How'd you find out, idk how everyone see's these stats? Do you have a link for future so I can see also? I like to know these types of information.

I'm with you, don't like pointless conflict, conflict should be meaningful. We'll wait and see, so far been good though so I have high hopes

Don't even bother with him, dude hating for no reason, and keeps commenting and hating. Hating but not even going to watch makes no sense. Calling something such crap based on three sentences is what haters do don't mind him.

Some people like him like to hate for no reason