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3?? Where did the third phone appear? Unless I am mistaken, there are two: - Pre amnesia phone. Black one. FL found it at a shop, she went to exdetective shop to repair it. After repairing said phone, exdetective gave it back to FL saying "now that it works, you can use it to transfer the messages from Lee guy". FL then goes after LSJ to hack the phone and download the messages into her old phone (the one she uses only in secret and with exdetective). - Then she has the pale green phone post amnesia. Unless I missed sth big, she has 2 phones. Both hers. She snatched LSJ's phone to transfer messages but gave it back at the pub scene I think.
No one. It was an accident...if there is a car that hit her on purpose, it would be the black car who hit her on the side previous to truck kun. First scene: wee a suspicious hooded figure dressed in black entering the villa in the middle of the darkness. FL abandons the villa completely shook, with blood in her hands and trench coat...but she wears a light beige trench coat, so she isn't the dark mysterious figure. She says "This is insane, everybody is insane" and gets away panicked in her car...after that, the dark figure also abandons the villa in a black (? too dark to confirm) car. Chairman wakes from the noise to see HS's body (she was stabbed) in the darkness...we see a time device that is obv put there to activate only after the murderer has abandoned the villa, and is leaking a a gas...Chairman puts on the light to see HS and the explosion is activated so the fire consumes Chairman and everything. FL hears it from afar in the car and turns to look, which makes her hit several obstacles after seeing them...black car hits her after her car has already started to lose its control, and when she manages to stop the car Truck kun hits her.
Which arises several questions: -Did black car hit her intentionally? It is the same car as black hooded figure car? - JH could be the one that planned the time devise to get the villa on fire, but he isn't the one to kill HS because he was super shocked and police acknowledged he didn't know anything about someone being stabbed, he thought everyone had died on the fire. - FL says "everyone is insane" which is super intriguing. She learn something super big and explosive (no pun intended) apart from seeing the murder scene (or perhaps even killing HS which seems super unlikely to me but who knows). - I think it is implied heavily who planned the fire is a different person that the one that killed HS...the time devise with the gas was GENIUS METICULOUS PLAN, it left no traces (we assumed murderer took care of removing the time devise later or it got destroyed) and it seems illogical to botch such ag rand planned murder adding a stabbing, when the fire can be pulled as "accidental" but the stabbing is 100% murder, and the knife was just left there. With the fire you made sure both of Choi family members died...the fire would only make sense to cover up a passion homicide that was committed in the heat of the moment, but the time device eliminates that possibility. So no, stabber is not the same person that fire guy/girl
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This is why it's awesome to discuss clues...you get new info. I thought precisely as you first time I watched the scene because it felt natural FL-Ajusshi spoke like that in the revenge plan...but then I said "these messages are the ones they hacked from chauffeur"..,because if you go to ep 4 minute 23 (I recommend seeing the scene, very juicy), FL calls exdetective after READING THE SAME MESSAGES JH READ after Ri Ah gave him the phone...and FL tells exdetective chauffeur is talking to a man named Wang Gi Cheol (ajussi) about how they needed to meet mr.Choi...and that it has caught her attention because LJS-Wang Gi Cheol are bringing up her name a lot, and that they have named her in relation to Chairman and MONEY...which imo kinda confirms Chairman sent chauffeur to pay mr Wang to take the blame for her parents' murder. So although I agree the conversation could be between FL and ajussi and it makes waaaay more sense...it seems from that scene it was really LJS-Wang?
But you have raised a wonderful point: it seems obvious now FL was indeed not only approaching HS in her revenge plan, but also JH...like, it makes little sense to get involved with HS's boyfriend, especially as FL was so obsessed with her revenge...she didn't love him, it only makes sense she got "seduced" by Jun Ho because she was trying to use him in her revenge, as a pawn...funny how we talked about JH possibly seducing her as a way to use her as a pawn, when it is clear to me now it was 100% the other way around.
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FL thought her phone was broken at the accident because that's what she was told, but nop, she left her phone at a shop prior to the accident and the owner lady couldn't return it because it was broken...it appears at ep 2 minute 32. The thief is the boy that is a young punk playing computer games all the time. About when she lost it (the second time)...I think it was at the same time she was kidnapped...remember how she panicked when she saw the voice recordings in her new phone are gone? Just at that moment, Ri Ah comes and FL suspects her but says nothing about the recordings being gone. I also think the messages are between FL and ajhussi...but I am a little hesitant and think it could be LSY and Ajussi conversation because FL downloaded chauffeur's messages to her own phone. I will rewatch the hospital scene where exdetective says that I also don' t know where FL drive
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FL HAS 2 PHONES, ONE PRE AMNESIA, THE OTHER AFTER THE ACCIDENT Do you remember the thief teen thug? The one whose mother accused JH of murder? He stole FL's posessions, but when she asked for the phone when he returned the bag wih purse, money, etc, he said she never had any phone in the bag...and then FL got the old phone from a shop where the owner told her "you were with HS and left it behind on a rush, and then the accident happened" (ep 2, around min 30). Said phone is all black, the one she uses normally in the present has green pale colour....she went to the repair shop (where investigator works) to repair the phone and it was precisely because of going to repair the phone she met investigator and discovered she had make him investigate chauffeur guy, because he was blackmailing HS....In ep 3, min 50 he gives back the old phone repaired and tells FL that it will work now, and then after that FL and investigator go after Lee Song Ju to hack his phone to transfer the messages to FL's old phone... In fact, I remember FL using old phone to contact mr.Wang and then she discovered her revenge plan from past.
So that explains why Jun Ho is freaking out after seeing old phone and messages: he knows FL got her old phone (which she hid from him) + the messages mean FL is actively investigating and getting lots of info and knowledge of people involved in the past mystery (LJS, Wang guy). In fact, I have to rewatch waaay more than I have time to (it'll have to wait to weekend) because did FL really look for info in her old phone? Because there could be key info there that she didn't think about looking, in her own device.
About construction/arquitecture...if you think about it, it is extremely linked in the sense to design houses from zero you need land to build those houses from...which makes me assume Choi company is most likely in the construction/land development area, since Momo arquitecture (ML's company) was a branch of the main group. I agree that the demolition is not coincidence, it is all related imo to some land business plan that went awry and caused lots of drama and murders (FL's parents most likely)
So, I am beginning to wonder: is ML supposed to be FL's age? or is he perhaps some years older? Because the possibility that you mention of LJS acting on other person's behalf and not Mr.Choi... + the fact he is desperate to the extreme so FL doesn't discover the truth even to the point he prefers to tell her he is responsible of killing a person who is FL's BBF.... Could Jun Ho have participated in some way in FL's parents demise?? I don't really see hints to this new idea I speak of, but it makes me suspicious how adamant he is in making sure FL doesn't get her memories while simultaneously seeming genuine towards her. Perhaps FL discovered new shocking info regarding her parents' deaths when she went to get revenge on mr.Choi, the Chairman throwing some bomb that JH was somehow also involved and that's why he is working to preserve her amnesia, not so much to keep her from knowing who killed the Chois, but from keeping her away from remembering what the Chairman revealed in the final confrontation before the fire. Purely speculative ofc
No. Jun Ho (ML) may have romantic feelings for FL (this is uncertain, we don't know) but there is no romance, this is purely thriller drama story. I recommend it a lot, but you have to be focused watching it because it has flashbacks, little clues here and there, etc, and it's easy to get lost if you don't pay attention, but quite entertaining and good actors imo
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You were right, Ri Ah is Purple Hair and not Congressman's daughter, whose name is Seung Hee...if you want to consult names, see Asianwiki for reference that contains lots of names of the cast. But this makes me realise: the reason why Jun Ho freaked out at seeing the phone is likely not so much for the content but because of what it meant Ri Ah sent it...Ri Ah is acting as FL's watchdog, which means he knows Ri Ah got the phone from FL...so he is freaking out because he knows FL is investigating and is now aware of so much info he didn't want her to discover. Which makes me super curious WHAT he wants to keep from FL SO MUCH that he has 0 problem with telling her "I killed Hee Su" while at the same time pulling all the strings to avoid FL knowing the hidden truth.
The murder motive could be for example that FL's parents didn't want to sell their home and that Chairman needed the land for some land business plan, or that they saw sth as you say...lots of options. About LSJ: I think he is key but I don't think he is the murderer. He acted on mr.Choi orders because it is hinted Chairman was a big baddie, but most of all Wang took the blame for the murder because of loooots of money (only Chairman could have access to that kind of money and not LSJ) and: LSJ we don't really know who he exactly worked for just that he worked in the chaebol company) a gang guy...which was remarked as super weird because how could such a lowly thug work as a chaebol's chauffeur? Obv because that was a red herring for his real work: they needed him in a "respectable job for public eye" while having him doing all sort of shady criminal jobs. 2) One super key matter imo is how FL wonders: "why would LJS use the affair pictures to blackmail HS? She was the victim, the normal thing would be to blackmail me or JH". And she is 100% right...why the heck would this affair pictures make HS so fearful to the point of submitting to blackmail? It didn't involve her in a bad light...unless she was afraid her father the Chairman would get wind of the affair and she feared Chairman would hurt FL and/or Jun Ho for daring hurt her daughter and playing with his family. About blackmailing Chairman...I remember the comment vaguely (could you say to me which ep it was that detective said that? I need a rewatch from that scene) but I am pretty sure he was blackmailed with the real deal, the info that would give us the key of the mystery, and that Jun Ho knows...I think Jun Ho knows almost everything save for the murder details like the knife, but I think he knows who killed FL's parents and why, and the info that mr.Choi was desperate to protect
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About the mobile phone: I also have the same doubt of who is the one involved in the conversation with Wang guy...it has to be LJS (chauffeur/gang guy) or FL 100%....at first I thought it was FL because they were talking about watching JH and HS to keep track of mr.Choi , and that phone is the one that FL got repaired from the shop (a phone she had pre-amnesia)...but later I remembered how she got chauffeur's messages when they hacked his phone and investigator and FL read his messages...that was how they confirmed he was blackmailing HS (and that HS knew about the affair between JH and FL) and how FL discovered the Wang guy was someone important in the whole thing. So I think the phone that JH got (and that made him panic too) was chauffeur's phone, with the info that Wang-chauffeur were tracking him and HS to keep track of chairman...since FL and Wang guy were in a revenge alliance, I think mr. Wang was using chauffeur to help them get info....the question if I am right is...what did chauffeur get? He is obv motivated by money, so, did Wang guy bribed him to spy them? With which money? The money chairman gave him for taking the blame? Soo many questions. Btw, I think chauffeur guy is super important in terms of getting more info/clues, because he knows so much...I have to rewatch this scene, but I remember he has a scene where he is talking (in present) to Wang and complaining he wants FL killed ASAP because she is draining JH?? I didn't really get what he meant, but he sees FL as a big eye sore because she somehow gets in his path to get money.
About Ri Ah...I think she is Congressman's daughter (JH's secret ally). Which fits, because I took it as a friendly warning to make JH get sensitive and key info, not as a blackmail attempt...and purple hair is waiting the chance to stab him in the back.
I don't think he is poisoning her, but probably he is drugging her to avoid her recovering memories.
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The one where he got scared imo was the second police visit when they went to his office. I think the first one (visiting FL who recently got discharged of hospital after the police station visit) wasn't very juicy, though probably worth a rewatch, the one where they visit the office in quite telling. The problem with this show is that we need to be very very attentive to not miss anything And yes, the chairman only appears in the first scene when the villa gets on fire for a second, but we don't have any scene where we get him speaking or really involving him
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If I have time, I will rewatch until next ep some moments with more details trying to find new clues. I am also super super curious to know why he seduced FL...it is weird asf if you think about it, because he was putting into risk his honeytrap to HS, who was very profitable to him because he wanted the connection to Mr. Choi....why did he pursue FL? To the point he himself admits to FL he was pushy? Love at first sight sounds highly unlikely and it would be a super cheap shot, it doesn't fit at all (less with the genre)... Did he knew her from before? Childhood connection? After all, FL has lost lots of her memories, she could even be repressing memories from before the accident or she could have totally forgotten him from her childhood/or he has changed so much and is under a fake identity that she can't link him to a person of her past.
If he knew who she was/her hidden intentions of revenge (which seems likely given his connections and how obvious it was she was after mr.Choi when Hee Su told Jun Ho FL was always asking after her father) it doesn't seem smart at all trying to seduce her...she was already on the path to revenge, he could cunningly use her without her knowledge, arrange everything to make the perfect murder revenge moment so FL killed mr.Choi (the typical killing with a borrowed knife scheme) and he caught her/got proof of her revenge so she was jailed and he got mr. Choi out of the way....Though right now it doesn't seem he really had a reason to kill mr.Choi, given the contract to separate his company was already signed and depended on reaching a revenue goal.
But let's imagine he has a hidden murder motive like FL does...why seduce her? I really don't see the need, while he carried the risks of causing a strain in his arrangement with HS or worst of all, breaking FL-HS friendship (which was key for FL reaching mr. Choi and getting her revenge)
There are a lot of moments that only make sense imo if Jun Ho cares a lot about FL...likely romantically, but perhaps it is platonic love? Though that arises the question why he would kiss her and pursue her, so I bet for romantic interest, at least for now. Hope to rewatch soon and see if I can put new intake :)
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Perhaps I mistook the user, so if you don't remember it, it is my mistake probably :) Did you rewatch the police scene? What do you think after the rewatch?
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Yes, I am sure I am very lost in quite a few things of this drama but his feelings to FL imo has to be genuine at least in a good degree, because it doesn't make much sense otherwise. He is ruthless and a total schemer, which means such a hot potato as FL would get disposed of asap, by all logics...but no, he spends huge amount of effort and money to only get sure FL stays safe but clueless, without her memories. She was in the murder scene, had a strong motive for the murder and doesn't remember anything...she was so so vulnerable it would make him a huge dumb clown to not take advantage of that and blame her unless he genuinely cares for her.
And I agree with you that the confession scene seems very telling: he says he is the murderer, not her while on the verge of tears and puts the whole blame on himself...the moment where he said "some part of me wished that HS discovered us" hit hard because he sounded very very sincere (so if he is acting, he deserves an award lol). In fact, the whole pursuing FL is weird from a cold schemer POV....what did he gain from seducing FL? Didn't he risk losing his golden goose HS just for messing around with FL? After all, whatever his reasons for approaching Hee Su (money, ambition, revenge, etc) we know he was super interested in getting to meet mr. Choi. FL's memories are so messed up I wonder if there is a previous connection between her and Jun Ho because it seems there's a genuine concern and protection from ML's perspective which it seems super baffling knowing his cold ruthless persona and how in theory they knew each other very recently... But yes, unless proven the contrary, I am convinced he is genuinely caring regarding her
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About the "kill her comment" it was in a previous comment of yours below? the one where you mentioned the fake passport...perhaps you changed your perspective, or it was me that mistook you for another user? if it is the last scenario, I apologise. Ì would suggest putting your reply under SPOILER. You and I are watching the last ep, but there will be users who didn't :) I love this type of drama because precisely of how much fun it is to analyse the little details and make theories, and to discuss them and see other opinions. I couldn't comment previously because I just ended up watching chapters yesterday :) but happy to reach the discussion forum before the drama finishes airing.
About the competition: the reason I think it has to do with police intervention is because of timing. He is obsessed with snatching the chance to participate because as an architect (and we could see how important it is to him his "art", given how mad he was at HS for making changes to the beach house he designed and that was hence not one of his "perfect creations") this competition is the chance to make a name for himself, to gain prestige and recognition as his own person, because it is a super exclusive competition only the best of the best can enter. Leading such an ambitious project is the door to the pinnacle of success in his career.
Unless I am misremembering, the news he is finally getting his company separated from the main company happens after he decides to give up the opportunity. What's more: I don't see what benefit he gets from withdrawing just because he gets his company separated...the ideal path as I see it is: 1)participating in the competition to make a name for himself 2) separating...this could prove difficult if he gets too successful, but he has blackmailing material. Also, he could still (unless I am missing sth) 1) get his company separated while 2) still participate simultaneously in the competition...but he gave up such opportunity. Why? It has to be imo because of the police's visit. He was totally relaxed and chilling during police interrogation, until the moment he is sending them away and older detective reveals the Chois were murdered with a knife and they are analysing it. He freaks out because it is obvious he didn't know about that part, which means he couldn't dispose of such huge piece of evidence which makes him feel out of control and the police claims "he lost it" when hearing about the knife. The next scene we see from him is exactly the one where he wonders if he "really needs that competition". Which implies what the police says is troubling him to the `point of deviating of his original ambitious goal and making him rethink his whole scheme, because there is sth that takes priority now. We don't know WHY, but I think we can say WHAT makes him give up the competition given the timing of these scenes and how he freaks out at the police reveal. So the question that remains is: why? Does he fear they are going to uncover something that leads to FL? Or to him? Why did he want to get close to Mr. Choi? Was it only money and ambition? Revenge?
Finally, a drama where Truck-kun causing our FL amnesia doesn't cause me to eyeroll and hate such a cheap plot device but instead makes me grab my popcorn.
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Thanks for the recap. But I have a different perspective in the whole Fake Fiance/FL dynamic (I don't think he is just seeing her as a ticking bomb that he must watch just for his self-preservation or that he used her to kill them to become Chairman and now wants to get rid of her), and I see a previous comment of yours in which you think he wants to kill FL...imo this doesn't fit for several reasons:
-There is a scene in which she is unconscious at hospital and he is near the door, looking at her with emotional eyes and murmuring "hang on there" towards FL, but it was obvious she couldn't hear him, and there was nobody there to be acting...so although it is clear he is shady as hell, I think he really cares for FL and it is not just a way of controlling a liability
-He is going crazy at the idea of FL getting her memories back, and he is messing with her ability to regain her memory and keeping her under a tight leash, paying a lot to Purple girl...but doesn't this seem a looot of work and effort? I mean, we know he is scary as hell, manipulative, but most of all: he has the money, the connections, the ruthlessness and the cunningness to get rid of her easily. He has lots of connections among thugs and criminals...why wouldn't he simply kill her while she was still super injured in the hospital, messing with her medication/removing her oxygen or something to kill her? Why not pay the thugs directly to kidnap her like Bald Head and the purple girl wanted to do and sell her/order her death?
Even if he didn't wanted to kill her out of wariness the police put their eyesight on him...it was easy peasy to blame her for the villa explosion: he has an airtight alibi (alledgedly, he was in a conference in Germany) while she was reported to be near the murder place. We know from detectives someone took care of removing evidence that was even under police custody (the cashdam? I don't remember which thing it was, but the detective that gave up told the other). Why don't incriminate her by planting false evidence that points toward FL, if he has such power to mess with the crime scene and evidence? If I were a villain like JH with such power and connections, I wouldn't spent so much time, effort and most of all, risk, to bring FL with me and play the fake fiance. She was super vulnerable with whole amnesia...he could have incriminate her and arrange a fake suicide scene, leaving for example a suicide note claiming she killed herself out of guilt. The police wouldn't suspect him like they do now because claiming he is romantically involved with FL it's what makes him a prime suspect.
- It also seems dumb to me if he really is trying to throw her under the bus, to deny firmly her involvement in the murder..."No, it was me who killed Hee Su, not you. I was the one that began the affair, the one that was pushy going after you..." It was literally the golden moment to try to gashlight her into suspecting she really is the murderer: he didn't even need to say she was involved, just deny her involvement while looking unsure, making some "innocent" comments that made her suspect of herself, etc. But he literally says: I killed her, not you. Which seems a risk, because she could be recording or going to the police saying "he said he killed her"
About your comment of the competition and why he withdrew: whatever his reason, it has to do with the police bringing up how the Chois didn't die in the fire, but were killed with a knife and how they are gonna know the killer very soon because they are analysing it. The detectives speak about it just after exiting the company, and they admit he was expecting their visit and questions but was totally thrown out the loop when they mentioned the knife murder to the point he got pale. He freaks out evidently, because he stares out the window and says a sentence that makes it clear it is the detective interview that made him question his intervention in the competition: "do I really need this competition?" to which his assistant replies that it is the opportunity of a lifetime, that he is gonna finally realise his dream of getting to the top....but he stays very dubitative.
So imo it all points to him withdrawing from the greatest chance in his career because he is freaking out because of police shenanigans and he has realised the shit is about to hit the fan, that they are gonna probably find something that makes the case against him and/or FL stronger so he wants to focus his full attention in dealing with the investigation because he fears they get sth solid against FL or himself. I really get the feeling he cares genuinely for FL, which makes me wonder WHY when in theory they met at the house beach that day and he immediately kissed her and pursued her with the "come to me at Seoul". Knowing kdrama, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a childhood crush connection of some kind. I would think he had an agenda and was just seducing her if she wasn't way too much a liability alive compared to trying to frame her/kill her (which would be easy for him taking into account character and connections)
Good start. I hope we don't have to see many scenes from FL being harassed/bullied before she starts her counterattack...I have hopes we already have seen the worst since most scenes of people bullying her in trailer already appeared this episode, and her ending scene in ep 1. Excited to see Do Eon's character and his actions in this season
I always will marvel how dramas adapted from manhwas tend to make changes for the worst... I read the manhwa a ton ago (so I forgot a lot, especially since the story wasn't really mesmerising though I enjoyed it a lot, it was lighthearted and funny with its dramatic moments) but one thing I remember because I loved it was original FL from novel (2FL) was a kind amazing person who was really sad because all female aristocrats looked down on her/hated her, and she developed a great friendship with FL, and was super super supportive of ML and FL's romance..... And ofc they had to change this in drama, to make 2FL the stereotypical green tea bitch/white lotus who is fake and stabs you on the back. Very disappointed tbh...
- Pre amnesia phone. Black one. FL found it at a shop, she went to exdetective shop to repair it. After repairing said phone, exdetective gave it back to FL saying "now that it works, you can use it to transfer the messages from Lee guy". FL then goes after LSJ to hack the phone and download the messages into her old phone (the one she uses only in secret and with exdetective).
- Then she has the pale green phone post amnesia.
Unless I missed sth big, she has 2 phones. Both hers. She snatched LSJ's phone to transfer messages but gave it back at the pub scene I think.
First scene: wee a suspicious hooded figure dressed in black entering the villa in the middle of the darkness. FL abandons the villa completely shook, with blood in her hands and trench coat...but she wears a light beige trench coat, so she isn't the dark mysterious figure. She says "This is insane, everybody is insane" and gets away panicked in her car...after that, the dark figure also abandons the villa in a black (? too dark to confirm) car.
Chairman wakes from the noise to see HS's body (she was stabbed) in the darkness...we see a time device that is obv put there to activate only after the murderer has abandoned the villa, and is leaking a a gas...Chairman puts on the light to see HS and the explosion is activated so the fire consumes Chairman and everything. FL hears it from afar in the car and turns to look, which makes her hit several obstacles after seeing them...black car hits her after her car has already started to lose its control, and when she manages to stop the car Truck kun hits her.
Which arises several questions:
-Did black car hit her intentionally? It is the same car as black hooded figure car?
- JH could be the one that planned the time devise to get the villa on fire, but he isn't the one to kill HS because he was super shocked and police acknowledged he didn't know anything about someone being stabbed, he thought everyone had died on the fire.
- FL says "everyone is insane" which is super intriguing. She learn something super big and explosive (no pun intended) apart from seeing the murder scene (or perhaps even killing HS which seems super unlikely to me but who knows).
- I think it is implied heavily who planned the fire is a different person that the one that killed HS...the time devise with the gas was GENIUS METICULOUS PLAN, it left no traces (we assumed murderer took care of removing the time devise later or it got destroyed) and it seems illogical to botch such ag rand planned murder adding a stabbing, when the fire can be pulled as "accidental" but the stabbing is 100% murder, and the knife was just left there.
With the fire you made sure both of Choi family members died...the fire would only make sense to cover up a passion homicide that was committed in the heat of the moment, but the time device eliminates that possibility. So no, stabber is not the same person that fire guy/girl
So although I agree the conversation could be between FL and ajussi and it makes waaaay more sense...it seems from that scene it was really LJS-Wang?
But you have raised a wonderful point: it seems obvious now FL was indeed not only approaching HS in her revenge plan, but also JH...like, it makes little sense to get involved with HS's boyfriend, especially as FL was so obsessed with her revenge...she didn't love him, it only makes sense she got "seduced" by Jun Ho because she was trying to use him in her revenge, as a pawn...funny how we talked about JH possibly seducing her as a way to use her as a pawn, when it is clear to me now it was 100% the other way around.
The thief is the boy that is a young punk playing computer games all the time.
About when she lost it (the second time)...I think it was at the same time she was kidnapped...remember how she panicked when she saw the voice recordings in her new phone are gone? Just at that moment, Ri Ah comes and FL suspects her but says nothing about the recordings being gone.
I also think the messages are between FL and ajhussi...but I am a little hesitant and think it could be LSY and Ajussi conversation because FL downloaded chauffeur's messages to her own phone.
I will rewatch the hospital scene where exdetective says that
I also don' t know where FL drive
Do you remember the thief teen thug? The one whose mother accused JH of murder? He stole FL's posessions, but when she asked for the phone when he returned the bag wih purse, money, etc, he said she never had any phone in the bag...and then FL got the old phone from a shop where the owner told her "you were with HS and left it behind on a rush, and then the accident happened" (ep 2, around min 30). Said phone is all black, the one she uses normally in the present has green pale colour....she went to the repair shop (where investigator works) to repair the phone and it was precisely because of going to repair the phone she met investigator and discovered she had make him investigate chauffeur guy, because he was blackmailing HS....In ep 3, min 50 he gives back the old phone repaired and tells FL that it will work now, and then after that FL and investigator go after Lee Song Ju to hack his phone to transfer the messages to FL's old phone... In fact, I remember FL using old phone to contact mr.Wang and then she discovered her revenge plan from past.
So that explains why Jun Ho is freaking out after seeing old phone and messages: he knows FL got her old phone (which she hid from him) + the messages mean FL is actively investigating and getting lots of info and knowledge of people involved in the past mystery (LJS, Wang guy). In fact, I have to rewatch waaay more than I have time to (it'll have to wait to weekend) because did FL really look for info in her old phone? Because there could be key info there that she didn't think about looking, in her own device.
About construction/arquitecture...if you think about it, it is extremely linked in the sense to design houses from zero you need land to build those houses from...which makes me assume Choi company is most likely in the construction/land development area, since Momo arquitecture (ML's company) was a branch of the main group. I agree that the demolition is not coincidence, it is all related imo to some land business plan that went awry and caused lots of drama and murders (FL's parents most likely)
So, I am beginning to wonder: is ML supposed to be FL's age? or is he perhaps some years older? Because the possibility that you mention of LJS acting on other person's behalf and not Mr.Choi... + the fact he is desperate to the extreme so FL doesn't discover the truth even to the point he prefers to tell her he is responsible of killing a person who is FL's BBF....
Could Jun Ho have participated in some way in FL's parents demise?? I don't really see hints to this new idea I speak of, but it makes me suspicious how adamant he is in making sure FL doesn't get her memories while simultaneously seeming genuine towards her. Perhaps FL discovered new shocking info regarding her parents' deaths when she went to get revenge on mr.Choi, the Chairman throwing some bomb that JH was somehow also involved and that's why he is working to preserve her amnesia, not so much to keep her from knowing who killed the Chois, but from keeping her away from remembering what the Chairman revealed in the final confrontation before the fire. Purely speculative ofc
The murder motive could be for example that FL's parents didn't want to sell their home and that Chairman needed the land for some land business plan, or that they saw sth as you say...lots of options.
About LSJ: I think he is key but I don't think he is the murderer. He acted on mr.Choi orders because it is hinted Chairman was a big baddie, but most of all Wang took the blame for the murder because of loooots of money (only Chairman could have access to that kind of money and not LSJ) and: LSJ we don't really know who he exactly worked for just that he worked in the chaebol company) a gang guy...which was remarked as super weird
because how could such a lowly thug work as a chaebol's chauffeur? Obv because that was a red herring for his real work: they needed him in a "respectable job for public eye" while having him doing all sort of shady criminal jobs.
2) One super key matter imo is how FL wonders: "why would LJS use the affair pictures to blackmail HS? She was the victim, the normal thing would be to blackmail me or JH". And she is 100% right...why the heck would this affair pictures make HS so fearful to the point of submitting to blackmail? It didn't involve her in a bad light...unless she was afraid her father the Chairman would get wind of the affair and she feared Chairman would hurt FL and/or Jun Ho for daring hurt her daughter and playing with his family.
About blackmailing Chairman...I remember the comment vaguely (could you say to me which ep it was that detective said that? I need a rewatch from that scene) but I am pretty sure he was blackmailed with the real deal, the info that would give us the key of the mystery, and that Jun Ho knows...I think Jun Ho knows almost everything save for the murder details like the knife, but I think he knows who killed FL's parents and why, and the info that mr.Choi was desperate to protect
I also have the same doubt of who is the one involved in the conversation with Wang guy...it has to be LJS (chauffeur/gang guy) or FL 100%....at first I thought it was FL because they were talking about watching JH and HS to keep track of mr.Choi , and that phone is the one that FL got repaired from the shop (a phone she had pre-amnesia)...but later I remembered how she got chauffeur's messages when they hacked his phone and investigator and FL read his messages...that was how they confirmed he was blackmailing HS (and that HS knew about the affair between JH and FL) and how FL discovered the Wang guy was someone important in the whole thing.
So I think the phone that JH got (and that made him panic too) was chauffeur's phone, with the info that Wang-chauffeur were tracking him and HS to keep track of chairman...since FL and Wang guy were in a revenge alliance, I think mr. Wang was using chauffeur to help them get info....the question if I am right is...what did chauffeur get? He is obv motivated by money, so, did Wang guy bribed him to spy them? With which money? The money chairman gave him for taking the blame? Soo many questions.
Btw, I think chauffeur guy is super important in terms of getting more info/clues, because he knows so much...I have to rewatch this scene, but I remember he has a scene where he is talking (in present) to Wang and complaining he wants FL killed ASAP because she is draining JH?? I didn't really get what he meant, but he sees FL as a big eye sore because she somehow gets in his path to get money.
About Ri Ah...I think she is Congressman's daughter (JH's secret ally). Which fits, because I took it as a friendly warning to make JH get sensitive and key info, not as a blackmail attempt...and purple hair is waiting the chance to stab him in the back.
I don't think he is poisoning her, but probably he is drugging her to avoid her recovering memories.
And yes, the chairman only appears in the first scene when the villa gets on fire for a second, but we don't have any scene where we get him speaking or really involving him
I am also super super curious to know why he seduced FL...it is weird asf if you think about it, because he was putting into risk his honeytrap to HS, who was very profitable to him because he wanted the connection to Mr. Choi....why did he pursue FL? To the point he himself admits to FL he was pushy? Love at first sight sounds highly unlikely and it would be a super cheap shot, it doesn't fit at all (less with the genre)... Did he knew her from before? Childhood connection? After all, FL has lost lots of her memories, she could even be repressing memories from before the accident or she could have totally forgotten him from her childhood/or he has changed so much and is under a fake identity that she can't link him to a person of her past.
If he knew who she was/her hidden intentions of revenge (which seems likely given his connections and how obvious it was she was after mr.Choi when Hee Su told Jun Ho FL was always asking after her father) it doesn't seem smart at all trying to seduce her...she was already on the path to revenge, he could cunningly use her without her knowledge, arrange everything to make the perfect murder revenge moment so FL killed mr.Choi (the typical killing with a borrowed knife scheme) and he caught her/got proof of her revenge so she was jailed and he got mr. Choi out of the way....Though right now it doesn't seem he really had a reason to kill mr.Choi, given the contract to separate his company was already signed and depended on reaching a revenue goal.
But let's imagine he has a hidden murder motive like FL does...why seduce her? I really don't see the need, while he carried the risks of causing a strain in his arrangement with HS or worst of all, breaking FL-HS friendship (which was key for FL reaching mr. Choi and getting her revenge)
There are a lot of moments that only make sense imo if Jun Ho cares a lot about FL...likely romantically, but perhaps it is platonic love? Though that arises the question why he would kiss her and pursue her, so I bet for romantic interest, at least for now.
Hope to rewatch soon and see if I can put new intake :)
Did you rewatch the police scene? What do you think after the rewatch?
And I agree with you that the confession scene seems very telling: he says he is the murderer, not her while on the verge of tears and puts the whole blame on himself...the moment where he said "some part of me wished that HS discovered us" hit hard because he sounded very very sincere (so if he is acting, he deserves an award lol). In fact, the whole pursuing FL is weird from a cold schemer POV....what did he gain from seducing FL? Didn't he risk losing his golden goose HS just for messing around with FL? After all, whatever his reasons for approaching Hee Su (money, ambition, revenge, etc) we know he was super interested in getting to meet mr. Choi.
FL's memories are so messed up I wonder if there is a previous connection between her and Jun Ho because it seems there's a genuine concern and protection from ML's perspective which it seems super baffling knowing his cold ruthless persona and how in theory they knew each other very recently...
But yes, unless proven the contrary, I am convinced he is genuinely caring regarding her
Ì would suggest putting your reply under SPOILER. You and I are watching the last ep, but there will be users who didn't :)
I love this type of drama because precisely of how much fun it is to analyse the little details and make theories, and to discuss them and see other opinions. I couldn't comment previously because I just ended up watching chapters yesterday :) but happy to reach the discussion forum before the drama finishes airing.
About the competition: the reason I think it has to do with police intervention is because of timing. He is obsessed with snatching the chance to participate because as an architect (and we could see how important it is to him his "art", given how mad he was at HS for making changes to the beach house he designed and that was hence not one of his "perfect creations") this competition is the chance to make a name for himself, to gain prestige and recognition as his own person, because it is a super exclusive competition only the best of the best can enter. Leading such an ambitious project is the door to the pinnacle of success in his career.
Unless I am misremembering, the news he is finally getting his company separated from the main company happens after he decides to give up the opportunity. What's more: I don't see what benefit he gets from withdrawing just because he gets his company separated...the ideal path as I see it is: 1)participating in the competition to make a name for himself 2) separating...this could prove difficult if he gets too successful, but he has blackmailing material. Also, he could still (unless I am missing sth) 1) get his company separated while 2) still participate simultaneously in the competition...but he gave up such opportunity. Why?
It has to be imo because of the police's visit. He was totally relaxed and chilling during police interrogation, until the moment he is sending them away and older detective reveals the Chois were murdered with a knife and they are analysing it. He freaks out because it is obvious he didn't know about that part, which means he couldn't dispose of such huge piece of evidence which makes him feel out of control and the police claims "he lost it" when hearing about the knife. The next scene we see from him is exactly the one where he wonders if he "really needs that competition".
Which implies what the police says is troubling him to the `point of deviating of his original ambitious goal and making him rethink his whole scheme, because there is sth that takes priority now. We don't know WHY, but I think we can say WHAT makes him give up the competition given the timing of these scenes and how he freaks out at the police reveal. So the question that remains is: why? Does he fear they are going to uncover something that leads to FL? Or to him? Why did he want to get close to Mr. Choi? Was it only money and ambition? Revenge?
But I have a different perspective in the whole Fake Fiance/FL dynamic (I don't think he is just seeing her as a ticking bomb that he must watch just for his self-preservation or that he used her to kill them to become Chairman and now wants to get rid of her), and I see a previous comment of yours in which you think he wants to kill FL...imo this doesn't fit for several reasons:
-There is a scene in which she is unconscious at hospital and he is near the door, looking at her with emotional eyes and murmuring "hang on there" towards FL, but it was obvious she couldn't hear him, and there was nobody there to be acting...so although it is clear he is shady as hell, I think he really cares for FL and it is not just a way of controlling a liability
-He is going crazy at the idea of FL getting her memories back, and he is messing with her ability to regain her memory and keeping her under a tight leash, paying a lot to Purple girl...but doesn't this seem a looot of work and effort? I mean, we know he is scary as hell, manipulative, but most of all: he has the money, the connections, the ruthlessness and the cunningness to get rid of her easily. He has lots of connections among thugs and criminals...why wouldn't he simply kill her while she was still super injured in the hospital, messing with her medication/removing her oxygen or something to kill her? Why not pay the thugs directly to kidnap her like Bald Head and the purple girl wanted to do and sell her/order her death?
Even if he didn't wanted to kill her out of wariness the police put their eyesight on him...it was easy peasy to blame her for the villa explosion: he has an airtight alibi (alledgedly, he was in a conference in Germany) while she was reported to be near
the murder place. We know from detectives someone took care of removing evidence that was even under police custody (the cashdam? I don't remember which thing it was, but the detective that gave up told the other). Why don't incriminate her by planting false evidence that points toward FL, if he has such power to mess with the crime scene and evidence?
If I were a villain like JH with such power and connections, I wouldn't spent so much time, effort and most of all, risk, to bring FL with me and play the fake fiance. She was super vulnerable with whole amnesia...he could have incriminate her and arrange a fake suicide scene, leaving for example a suicide note claiming she killed herself out of guilt. The police wouldn't suspect him like they do now because claiming he is romantically involved with FL it's what makes him a prime suspect.
- It also seems dumb to me if he really is trying to throw her under the bus, to deny firmly her involvement in the murder..."No, it was me who killed Hee Su, not you. I was the one that began the affair, the one that was pushy going after you..." It was literally the golden moment to try to gashlight her into suspecting she really is the murderer: he didn't even need to say she was involved, just deny her involvement while looking unsure, making some "innocent" comments that made her suspect of herself, etc. But he literally says: I killed her, not you. Which seems a risk, because she could be recording or going to the police saying "he said he killed her"
About your comment of the competition and why he withdrew: whatever his
reason, it has to do with the police bringing up how the Chois didn't die in the fire, but were killed with a knife and how they are gonna know the killer very soon because they are analysing it. The detectives speak about it just after exiting the company, and they admit he was expecting their visit and questions but was totally thrown out the loop when they mentioned the knife murder to the point he got pale. He freaks out evidently, because he stares out the window and says a sentence that makes it clear it is the detective interview that made him question his intervention in the competition: "do I really need this competition?" to which his assistant replies that it is the opportunity of a lifetime, that he is gonna finally realise his dream of getting to the top....but he stays very dubitative.
So imo it all points to him withdrawing from the greatest chance in his career because he is freaking out because of police shenanigans and he has realised the shit is about to hit the fan, that they are gonna probably find something that makes the case against him and/or FL stronger so he wants to focus his full attention in dealing with the investigation because he fears they get sth solid against FL or himself. I really get the feeling he cares genuinely for FL, which makes me wonder WHY when in theory they met at the house beach that day and he immediately kissed her and pursued her with the "come to me at Seoul". Knowing kdrama, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a childhood crush connection of some kind. I would think he had an agenda and was just seducing her if she wasn't way too much a liability alive compared to trying to frame her/kill her (which would be easy for him taking into account character and connections)
I read the manhwa a ton ago (so I forgot a lot, especially since the story wasn't really mesmerising though I enjoyed it a lot, it was lighthearted and funny with its dramatic moments) but one thing I remember because I loved it was original FL from novel (2FL) was a kind amazing person who was really sad because all female aristocrats looked down on her/hated her, and she developed a great friendship with FL, and was super super supportive of ML and FL's romance.....
And ofc they had to change this in drama, to make 2FL the stereotypical green tea bitch/white lotus who is fake and stabs you on the back. Very disappointed tbh...