i'm glad you liked live mocha boutux. I actually had my account for about 2-3 months before I used it actively and I haven't been using it much in the last month. I just float between different resources (btw, making a list is a good suggestion). Sometimes I "get" things and other times they just don't sink in. This probably has to do with a ton of different factors, but I've found that by having a variety of Japanese sources, I am learning all the time (kinda like the AJATT link Lady posted). Just keep at it, regardless of what method (or combination of methods) you use.
then maybe we should create a sub thread. no convos just links...maybe a brief description of the site/ resource.
that's pretty much what i'm doing Kawaiko, i have a short attention span sometimes lol so i find instead of just following one program like livemocha all the time, if i use a few different methods i get more out of them, i start to catch things in one that i learned in another and just seeing it in different contexts helps it sink in better.
but at the same time, if you don't often go back to the continuous lesson type programs like livemocha or rosetta, you start to forget stuff. i skipped some of the written tests in livemocha and went back to do a couple and i don't remember anything, i will have to go back and re-do some of the lessons. but with the irasshai videos he often re-visits things from previous lessons to help keep it fresh in your memory.
like the ajatt blog says, you have to review the same material over and over a certain number of times before it sinks in, and even then you need to go back and review it after you've learned it, but less frequently over time.
it's so true.. i was doing this hiragana quiz every night before logging off for bed, and after a few days i was getting none wrong. i skipped it for a couple days and then went away for the weekend, came back and did the quiz and got a bunch wrong, ones i was sure i knew. less than a week without reviewing them and it was almost like starting back at square one.

a list of resources is a good idea.
Something that i use as a guide is studying programs that correlate to a particular JLPT level. That way the same material pops up through out. Right now I'm at JLPT N5/4 (old 4/3) and I keep the resources around that area. The hardest for me is grammar, but I am using SRS in Anki for sentences and that really helps. I think AJATT says that it took him about 10,000 sentences to be fluent. I use sentences from grammar book called "Japanese Sentence Patters or Effective Communication." I recommend this book because it's laid out very well, has good explanations and is written by a Japanese native speaker.

Also on a side note: I was not one of those people who learned hiragana and katakana in 3 days/a week. It really get to the level that kana was deeply imbedded in my brain took a while, because as lady said, you have to keep going back after longer periods of time to make sure you've actually solidified it. I used a mixture of SRS and a hiragana/katakana workbook that I picked up at my local bookstore.
here's a little word of encouragement I found in a blog: http://ta133.wordpress.com/
i read his blog. and honestly i not so concerned about reading kanji. i'm more concerned about being able to carry out a proper conversation. and learning proper grammar even though i only know hiragana and katakana for now. but he was very inspiring. if he could achieve this level of success for what he wanted to learn in such a short time then i can certainly be able to speak and understand japanese too right?
wrote: if he could achieve this level of success for what he wanted to learn in such a short time then i can certainly be able to speak and understand japanese too right?

I totally agree. That's why I shared it. Stories like that motivate me. I don't feel like only a handful of exceptionally brilliant people can learn a foreign language after the age of 10 or whatever. Side note about kanji: i think knowing kanji makes learning the rest easier, but definitely do what's working for you :)

Rant/Question for people who speak a language that rolls their Rs:

Do you catch yourself accidentally rolling your Rs when you speak Japanese? It's a mistake that keeps slipping out since I first started learning the language. I know it's bad because all the "tough guys" are the only ones who roll their Rs in dramas. Has anyone else had this experience? ugh frustrating. *sigh/end of rant* it felt good to get that off my chest, lol.
[QUOTE=Kawaikochan;7239Rant/Question for people who speak a language that rolls their Rs:

Do you catch yourself accidentally rolling your Rs when you speak Japanese? It's a mistake that keeps slipping out since I first started learning the language. I know it's bad because all the "tough guys" are the only ones who roll their Rs in dramas. Has anyone else had this experience? ugh frustrating. *sigh/end of rant* it felt good to get that off my chest, lol.[/QUOTE]

i wish i could roll my R's. i just can't and in japanese i hear it sometimes.
yay u started the resource thread. i started to do it yesterday but then got distracted with smtng at work. i just found a whole lot of ipod apps for japanese learning. i'll post it to the thread. and i'll msg skye and rain to see if there is a way to keep the thread from getting buried as the forum grows.
thanks for starting the thread lady, and thanks for looking into keeping it from getting buried boutux :)
question: what kinds of resources are you guys interested in? i try to post them if I can.
Have any of you tried tadoku? I participated in this competition in January. It's organized on twitter, http://readmod.wordpress.com/. I thought it was rewarding, but I didn't have enough vocabulary at the time to see drastic improvement. There are two more contests scheduled for 2011, do check it out if you're interested.
okay skye and rain was nice enough to stick the resource thread to the top of this section. from hence forth no worries about the thread getting buried. yatta!
yay thanks :)

kawaikochan: i'm still in beginner mode lol so anything free that helps with kana, basic vocabulary and sentence structure would be great for me
i tried that podcast, the beginner stuff is almost too basic for me at this point, the survival words/phrases are too easy. so i'm not a total newbie for sure but i can't really put sentences together yet. i have a hard time remembering them once i've learned them. while doing the irasshai videos i've been keeping 2 seperate notebooks, one with words and phrases and explanations and the other for kana, like at the end of each episode he introduces or reviews a row of hiragana and usually shows some words using the ones he just taught. i find that helpful. but when he teaches sentences even though he uses them a few times i just can't seem to remember them lol.
i think better understanding of verbs and conjugation might make it easier. for most things i find it easier to remember something if i know the whys and hows behind it. if i can learn the order that a sentence goes together i might remember more sentences, that sort of thing
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i think better understanding of verbs and conjugation might make it easier. for most things i find it easier to remember something if i know the whys and hows behind it. if i can learn the order that a sentence goes together i might remember more sentences, that sort of thing



same here. i've got kana down. it was the 1st thing i really taught myself in my note book. now i want to learn gramar and sentence structure. i'm like u. it works better if i understand the how and why. makes it easier to apply after. i need to go back to watching the irrassai videos. i stopped at video 9. i think streaming it is getting in the way. i should ask the uploader if he has a download link for the series.