So who do you think is/are the murderer(s)?

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This discussion will definitely contain huge spoilers for people who are  watching then and not while the series is ongoing, so be cautious.

NOW Let's share our opinions here. I'll go first.
 
If you are familiar with some deduction games like Mafia or Among Us, your mind will be ready to suspect even the most unsuspicious ones. Well, I love these games and this genre, and I'm always trying to follow logic to guess who is the outsider.
 
Just like many people, my first guess is either Lyla or Lilly, or even both (or one of them with Bew :D). Yeah yeah, I know we've been told that both of the sisters are dead (Lilly drowning in Ep2), but nobody has ever found the corpses yet, although we all know that the sea would return dead bodies to the coast.
 
But if we come to think about it, it's kinda cliché in series and movies when the main dead character isn't actually dead but they faked their death just to take revenge on those who hurt them. Just in case somebody hasn't watched them yet, I won't name the same movies and series I watched with this scenario.
 
So I will really appreciate it if the writer and director keep this series far from the clichés and give us some real thrills and shocks. So far, they have done it well.
 
In this case, my second guess is Bozo. Yes, the one we don't have many ideas about so far (Ep4). As I said before, you should suspect literally everyone and try to omit them one by one from the blacklist, using logical reasons to find out who is/are the real one(s).
Until the end of episode 4, we are sure Dan wasn't the murderer because he was killed by another person secretly, and that doesn't seem like a trick, but the death of Lilly is strongly suspect, like WTF she was doing literally in the middle of nowhere in the ocean.

But why Bozo? Because he was always there with other people, but less amazed by the deaths, like when he met Bew, covered in blood, on the top of Dan's dead body. He was so calm! These are some of my clues. Also, as you can see in the frame of Lilly drowning in Ep2, everyone is trying to enter the sea to rescue Lilly, or at least they are shouting their lungs out worried about the girl, except Bozo. I think he just wanted to seem like everyone else, so he came to the edge of the water, but deep down he isn't that surprised, is he? or even when Mac was found dead in episode 1. Maybe I'm taking this seriously and pretty much relying on the facial expressions and the ability to play the role perfectly, but in fact it's a matter of the actor (he played well on TharnType2 and until we meet again tho).
 
On the other hand, the ones who act like they are abnormally surprised are suspicious too. So everyone else can be the murderer as well, who may have big secrets we don't know about yet. Through flashbacks, we eventually get to know all the characters and their intentions, but what do you think about the characters so far? We can share and update our ideas after watching each episode.

I agree with your last sentence. This series somehow wants to show us that no one is a pure creature and everybody has their issues, which is why I like this. The Superhero series/movies which contain a completely bad person fighting with a completely good person are not the apple of my eye.

Yes, Ken and Plato are shown to be really innocent, and that's strange.

Also about Nest, she had this strange look on her face when they went into the jungle and Sonar said she would go alone. Nest was like "Yeah girl, go alone so we can hunt you." But there is something about Nest and Plato, they never complain about anyone or say anybody is suspicious, while most of them do. I mean, if they mean to kill everybody, shouldn't they try to make other people suspect, fight, and kill each other? That would help with their intention.
Although one thing I'm sure about is that until the end of the series, everybody will argue with their friends or lovers, according to the trailer.

I'm so curious to know who sent that message and invited them to the island in the first place. I hope they won't be Lilly, Lyla, or Bew. If so, it would end up being boring. I think whoever did it probably couldn't predict the current chaos. I mean, they are hurting/killing their own best friends/lovers.

Nest is the most sus. Her disability most likely makes people think she's weaker and people keep protecting or confiding in her. She could most likely be the person who put the rat poison in Mind's bag since Mind uses that powder in her drinks which leads to her choking to death(?). But then again, I have no idea why she would want to get revenge FOR Lyla's death and also kill her boyfriend Mac (who loved Lyla).  

Mind is also weird because first of all she has a brain tumor so she probably feels less of the consequences of killing others, knowing she's already going to die. There might be something else connected to this. Then she tells Nest that Sonar hated Lyla, but then again why would that make Sonar the killer since the killer wants to avenge Lyla? So it's strange she outs Sonar like that. Also she profitted off Nest's disability...huh? That seems way more heartless than what Sonar did to Lyla.  

So in summary, what I think is Nest is maybe one of the killers and she killed Lyla a long time ago accidentally or purposely, staging it as a suicide because she loved Mac but he was too attached to Lyla. I'm not sure what the killer(s) motive could be now except maybe some if not all of the other characters wronged them in a way and they wanted to expose everyone's lies. They probably invited everyone to the island because it would be easier to kill the people they want to kill and make everyone suspicious of each other. It seems unlikely the killer is getting revenge for Lyla in my eyes.

I think Lilly faked her death because she wants the real killer to think she's dead. She seems like Final Girl material so she might show up somewhere a long the way to help someone. This is far fetched but I think the ghost of Lyla is helping others or whatever that is that people keep seeing isn't a bad omen, since the preview for ep 5 shows Fone is still alive even after seeing that ghost. 

I agree that Ken and Plato seem too innocent but I think they're the most normal out of them all, their largest secret being a homosexual relationship. Bozo is weird for helping Bew cover up the murder of a friend, but I think he just really loves Mind and doesn't want her to get caught up in Bew's mess so he's playing on Bew's side for now. Some people also deal with stress or deaths differently than others. 

@Lin Remind me what 15s is- because I didn't understand what the drama name meant. Is it their age when they were in school? 

Yeah I agree people are slowly getting anxious and the human survival instincts are kicking in leading to the pressure to commit murders. They are also running out of food/clean water which will most likely have more impact later on.

I didn't necessarily mean that their homosexuality is a dark secret but mostly because they were in love behind their girlfriends' backs. Although I think they were hiding it due to society norms so it's like an innocent little secret compared to the more harmful secrets of the other characters. I just really want normal characters like them who don't have huge dark secrets for once to balance the show out haha so I'm a little biased. Though they're still free game, and Plato can definetely be sus. I want to find out how Bew knew about them and what Ken knows about Bew. 

I love slashers especially with these types of storylines so I was looking forward to it. At first I was honestly expecting there to be some other outside force (not within the group) to be murdering them since Chai the boat dude was talking about noone going near the island for a long time. 

BTW Mac's head being on a stick wtf? Apparently a head on a pike is a form of punishment and the killer was really showing it off/warning them. Whoever this killer is has complete hatred.

@Lin

I thought you already watched ep4 when you said they're gonna separate their ways. That was a good anticipation.
 
Yes, almost every episode has a murder. Who knows, they may all be dead at the end of the last episode.
 
And I think they would have started starving by now because they were meant to be on the island for just a day and a half. They must have been prepared for that planned short time, but now it's been 3 days and they still have food and water awaiting theft.

BTW happy to see you guys here. I know, this series deserves to get more attention.

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@MBN Ahhh that makes sense, thanks! I didn't even question what it meant when I started haha. 

Yes true, but it feels like Lilly has a plan somehow. She probably doesn't trust anyone so she had to fake it to get away from them. Though this is just all speculative theory. 

Same here, I really want them to be the normal people of the bunch.

Can't wait for ep 5.

Don´t get me wrong. I don´t wish for Plato or Ken to be wicked in their behaviour as well, personally saying. However, when I think about how to build up a story full of tension, then there might be more to those two than we may know.

I´m also glad that you two are here to discuss this. :)

@MBN wow, the hidden details of the series are on point. Can´t wait for Tuesday ;_;

@torfight Exactly my point. The ones who are obviously morally wrong already or focused by the storyline might not be the mastermind. It would just make sense to leave the reveal and reasons to the end of the series. Your view on the entire storyline makes sense! The more I think about it, the less important it seems to me who initiated this blood bath. The main issue is, that everyone is holding grudges and trying to survive. Basically, any one of them could kill someone in such a situation. What they are facing on the island, with all their primal and survival instincts kicking in, it´s basically just a matter of time until they all start going berserk. The worst weapon we saw was revenge, followed by mistrust and jealousy. This series is actually so on point with portraying all the inner feelings that are boiling over and despair in a hopeless situation. I am quite hooked. 

@MBN You know, from watching the scenes of the old teaser, of which some might not be contained anymore, it will get even more gruesome. Teaser spoiler: In the teaser you could literally see the guts of someone hanging out and Sonar´s detached fingers.  

Another question is, who’s gonna die next?  I believe  that Gel will not survive the next episode, because of the way she’s been already plotted as the main bully of Lyla. She’s already a "bad person", killing her would kinda lift the curiosity of the masterminds intents even further.  Leading us back to Lylas story. Since in the 4th episode, the main problems weren’t centered on Lyla’s death anymore.  What do you think?

Honestly, I hope Bew will live longer, not because I like the characteristics of him, but I am mindblown by Zee’s performance and would love to see him on screen longer. Because of the secrets with Lilly, I believe he will not die in the next two episodes. At least not, until that dark secret was revealed: The reason why Dan wanted to kill Bew.