Clarification of how R rated shows work with TV & OTT

 Kyubin:

Everyone is free to have an opinion and share it, it's a public space here, so you don't have to be sorry for expressing it. ;) And yours makes sense actually, whether we agree with it or not.

Thanks, I appreciate that :)

 Kyubin:

They not share an opinion or debate respectfully with others for having a different one

I totally get this, I've seen a lot of this lately, on both sides of the issue, unfortunately (sides as in, the people who like/don't mind explicit content and the people who dislike it), and it's made for a very toxic atmosphere in some parts of MDL. Come to find out I think it's possible some of the people who hurled insults at me assumed I was part of a category that I'm not (not that this excuses their behavior, but you get what I mean lol). And... unfortunately I haven't always responded gracefully to some of the insults and accusations.

I'm just glad I found some people somewhere on MDL who were willing to hear my point of view and have a normal adult discussion about it, so I thank you guys for that. If I do end up leaving MDL, at least I'll be able to do so on a good note this time.

Coming back here over breakfast to read all of the open and respectful discussion is making me happy.  Thanks for reassuring me that MDL CAN be great!

 Ivy:

So yeah there's a much more extreme side of the whole issue that you have to end up separating yourself from and it's unfortunate that people automatically assume that you're also coming from that extreme space.

Yes! That's it precisely. And while I had mentioned I wasn't associated with that particular troll, that still left that whole broader group for people to associate me with. Of course, ideally people would hear us out first (like you've done in this conversation) before making assumptions about our standpoints, but tbh I kind of wonder if some of the people I encountered just wanted to fight. With a few of them, it probably didn't matter how respectfully I put it because they simply didn't like my opinion lol. In other cases... yeah, I can totally see now how they would've gotten the wrong idea about where I was coming from. Hopefully all this has taught me to be more mindful of the landscape before I get involved in controversial issues in the future :D

The nudity is not an issue for me.  I find them unnecessary in some scenes in the drama.

Overall, nothing to rant about the nude scenes.

 belafarinrod:

More to the point, people are missing the fact that people in Korea also consume Western media. And Korean directors are influenced by Western directors

Definitely, sure, we can't ignore globalisation is a thing and America in particular is rather influential in the entertainment world. But that's a much more nuance  conversation than the "westerization is ruining kdramas, Korea is being corrupt by the Devil!!!" whining that's cropping up on this site. 

Actually I think that's the crux of the issue? There is a nuanced conversation to be had about all of it but for the most part a subset of people don't want to have that discussion. So Group A is yelling at Group B but Group C thinks Group A is yelling at them. But Group C is actually pretty level headed actually, so Group A and C can totally have a discussion (as seen here) but Group B still sucks for everyone involved.

 Ivy:

There is a nuanced conversation to be had about all of it but for the most part a subset of people don't want to have that discussion. So Group A is yelling at Group B but Group C thinks Group A is yelling at them. But Group C is actually pretty level headed actually, so Group A and C can totally have a discussion (as seen here) but Group B still sucks for everyone involved.

Darn it, I keep trying to leave MDL and things keep bringing me back lol. But I got to thinking about this comment and the whole situation and realized...there is a Group D as well. The "if you don't like sex/nudity in dramas, you haven't grown up yet and should just watch hallmark movies" group. Basically, the trolls who called me names and made lots of crazy and unwarranted accusations, and based their whole argument around saying that people who don't enjoy that type of content are essentially children (obviously the oldest, cheapest tactic in the book).

That's the group I thought everyone who advocated for said content belonged to, because that was all I'd experienced on MDL so far, and during this very conversation learned that wasn't the case. So the obnoxious groups B and D have really been ruining all the intelligent, adult discourse on this issue and creating division when all along it was possible for A and C to talk things out and basically agree to disagree, as we've done here. Which is a pity because this is how we learn about other viewpoints, something so essential to personal growth, and how I learned I was oversimplifying some aspects of the issue myself. It made me think harder about what my standpoint really was and I'm glad for it. I really hope we can see more conversations like this in the future.

(okay, I'm really off MDL now, I mean it... thanks again for a good discussion guys, see you around✌️)

 Ivy:

lol we need diagrams at this point!

bahaha I'll have to work one up in my time off

That makes sense ! I haven't watched Queen Woo yet, so I have no idea about the nudity there, but I was watching "The Rose Mansion" and the first scene itself was like half porn you could say ( which was quiet unnecessary to the storyline) and the blood scenes were too extreme, and I was shocked how the cast had several big names . Makes sense that it was on TVING too. I dropped that though , not because of the scenes but I just cannot stand Lim Jiyeon's acting. Lol