DanausAvov

I'm not talking about the novel. I'm talking about the end of Episode 2. He's grabbing him by the throat, squeezing it, and then forcibly kissing him.

Saying that "no one is actually being hurt" ignores what's happening in the story. Being forcibly kissed is sexual assault. Trying to suffocate someone is physical abuse. Those aren't just character flaws—they're serious forms of abuse.
And if the abuser were a pedophile, I doubt nearly as many people would be rooting for them to end up with their victim just because "it's fiction." Yet when the victim is an adult who's been sexually assaulted, people suddenly say it's just a story. I don't see why sexual abuse should be treated any differently. It's still abuse, and it should never be romanticized.
And I don't think it's as simple as saying, "Just separate fiction from reality." Fiction doesn't brainwash people overnight, but it does subtly influence how people perceive certain behaviors over time. When abusive dynamics are already common in real-life gay relationships, constantly portraying abuse as romantic and rewarding the abuser with a happy ending doesn't help. If anything, it reinforces unhealthy ideas about what love is supposed to look like.
What we need are more healthy, well-written gay couples people can actually look up to. Instead, people keep insisting that the abusive one is somehow the "interesting" one, even though it's one of the oldest, most clichéd, and overused tropes in the genre.

It doesn't matter whether he is submissive or not. You should not root for people who try to suffocate you without permission.

No. Not to simp for the abuser is common sense, not 'social justice warrior thingy'. Being fiction doesn't make it ok. You wouldn't simp for pedophiles even in fiction. Guess what - sexual abuse is just as bad.

No. The prosecutor literally can't know at that moment he's into rough sex.

There's a huge difference between a flawed character and someone who tries to suffocate you and forcibly kisses you.
And yes, to me there's something deeply off about people who enjoy romanticizing that, even in fiction.
Not to mention that, in my experience, abuse is often minimized or downplayed in gay relationships, and stories that portray it as romantic don't help.

No. Sexual abuse should never be romanticized, and no one should be rooting for the abuser to end up with his victim.
And stop calling it a toxic relationship .They aren't both toxic. One of them is the abuser. In most stories like this, the abuser doesn't even fully acknowledge what he did, let alone show genuine remorse. And even if he did, that alone wouldn't make the relationship healthy or romantic.
It's honestly disturbing how many people brush this off with, "It's just fiction," without recognizing how problematic it is to romanticize sexual abuse in the first place.

I stopped after the kiss. I'm just mad that it exists and that there are people who are actively rooting for an abuser.

I don't buy that at all.

There's nothing "complex" or "unique" about an abusive man ending up with the person he abused. Again. It's one of the most clichéd, overused tropes in romance.

And no, "it's just fiction" doesn't magically erase its impact. I see these kinds of abusive dynamics in real-life gay relationships all the time, and stories that romanticize them don't make that any better—they just normalize them even further.

And honestly, there's something deeply disturbing about actively rooting for the abuser to end up with his victim. I will never understand how anyone can look at sexual assault and abuse and think, "Yeah, they belong together."

Fetishizing gay trauma doesn't make a story good. A submissive gay man paired with a toxic, abusive man isn't an original or groundbreaking plot. If anything, it's one of the most overused tropes out there.

And no, it shouldn't just be brushed off. One of the reasons abusive dynamics are so normalized in real-life gay relationships is because people keep romanticizing them. Too many victims end up believing abuse is love, and stories that treat it as romantic only reinforce that harmful idea.

And again, there's nothing interesting or unique about this dynamic. It's one of the most clichéd and overdone tropes out there.

Look, another girl belittling gay abuse just because the abuser is hot. It didn't "start toxic"—he literally sexually assaulted him. Stop brushing that off like it's nothing. That mindset is disgusting.

I'm so tired of people, especially girls, shipping gay characters with their abusers and fetishizing gay trauma. The prosecutor deserves to end up alone.

Get help. No one needs that

Eww. He literally sexually abused him. That forced kiss was not okay. How about stop simping for abusers.

That's disgusting. This gives me the same impression as when people say a boy bullies a girl because he likes her. That was never okay, and it still isn't. Abuse isn't love, and people who abuse others deserve to end up alone.

To me, it's the opposite. He's one of the few main leads I don't find annoying.

Bullying is common everywhere. It's not some uniquely Korean problem, and trying to explain why bullies become bullies doesn't make them any less responsible for their actions. Rationalizing it won't stop bullying; if anything, it just shifts responsibility away from the people actually doing it.
And what those teachers did was not worse than what those students did. I'm tired of white people treating older teenagers like fragile dolls who are somehow incapable of understanding right from wrong. They're old enough to know that tormenting someone is wrong, and having problems at home or being under pressure doesn't absolve them of responsibility.
Also, your "first world country" comment comes across as incredibly patronizing, as if Western attitudes and methods are somehow inherently superior.

It’s not about shipping them. Him focusing on her more than the others isn’t okay to me, and punishing her for the mistakes of other students isn’t okay either.

I always criticize people who simp for toxic guys, including CEOs. But to me, there’s something even more disturbing when it’s done to someone who’s barely legal.

Him punishing her for the mistakes of other students is abuse. Also, him creepily focusing on her is not okay.