At one point, old Sun Woo disconnects from young Sun Woo. It happens after old Sun Woo dies the first time. After,…
Yes. Of course there are not the same of the ones of the previous timeline, but close. Just they didn't live the time travels, and SunWoo took some choices making him survive from his brain problem, and helped his brother to survive. Else, they have certainly their best life now. This writer often do that: go into a sad ending, but a very last twist turns it into a happy one, but with a bit of sacrifice and bittersweet.
Though Hong Deok Ro might be an ambitious individual, he was quite a capable minister who helped King Jeongjo…
Hi, I saw in comments you are a big fan of the drama. It's fav drama of a friend, it's why I watch, and also I'm a bit Sageuk addict. But don't give me spoilers please. I don't know this historical era. I'll probably read a bit about that after I completed the drama. 😉
Can anybody explain the ending? I have seen comments saying Sunwoo dies in the past. But, how is the young Sunwoo…
At one point, old Sun Woo disconnects from young Sun Woo. It happens after old Sun Woo dies the first time. After, old Sun Woo can't refresh his memory with his younger self. When old Sun Woo dies for good, his younger self still knows time travel exist. Now all incense sticks have burned, there isn't anymore repercussions from the past to the future. The future isn't written yet and the timeline of young Sun Woo is the only one.
He meets Min Young in the same way (door in the face, lol). However, something's different: Min Young remembers something coming from the last time travel: Sun Woo death. And she remembers to see him when she was a child. Anyway, Min Young ends to reveal to him why she's scared to date him, because she saw him dead.
Sun Woo understands then that the last time travel of his other self ended badly, by his death. I don't remember how (need to rewatch) but he makes also conclusion of the situation of his brother in Nepal. Then last scene, he's the mysterious man saving his brother. In episode 1 we saw someone approaching his brother, it was him. Only, the scene in episode 1 was a flashforward, not what happened in the previous timeline. It's tricky.
What means, of course, the writer did the whole drama structure first. Quite obvious it's needed for such a story. And about flashforward, she used that also in Memories of the Alhambra at the end of episode 2, and it was for a scene we see in episode 10.
Best time travel drama but with a slow start during 3 first episodes. At this time (2013), audience was more patient and ok for slow starts, ready to discover. We still have small bits of time travel and mystery during this time. It's only after watching, or rewatching we get the idea why the drama start this way. Indeed, the relationships need to be set first, for the time changes to make sens after.
Yes. I like both actress, and the one in season 1 was good for that part of the drama.But when comes the love…
I don't trust chemistry. It's just we have here two amazing lead actors, good writing and directing. Unless the male actor is bad, GYJ is the kind of actress who makes me trust the romance. Look at her in Death Games. Just in less than 30 minutes, she gives us a true love story, thanks to the good writing too.
Am I right in thinking this is a makjang/soap opera style of show?
I don't classify it as makjang. I watched movies in this genre from my country but don't know to name it exactly in english. Should be "comedy of manners" genre. It's a bit like Sky Castle or The Glory, other dramas of this kind I can't classify as makjang. I watched many makjang and I like the genre, but I don't get this feeling with this drama.
Here, it's not a soap opera, it focus on less characters. It takes seriously the thematic of a man having a love affair. Then, there are also twists and impactful or dramatic scenes. But can we say it's makjang, or just twists and drama? Maybe you could watch it and decide by yourself. I think you could have a good time.
a solid one.I don't get it how a well created drama like this gets so low ratings? As for revenge drama the script…
People were disappointed about various things: Expecting Seo Yea Ji in a drama like her previous one. I don't care. I like her role here. Expecting someone else for the male lead. I don't care, the actor was good. It's a makjang, but with a slower pace than ordinary makjang. It's my only criticism.
Season 2 had good moments but alas, also draggy ones if I compare to season 1. Now I watched many dramas of Hong sisters, they often write amazing parts of a story, but in some dramas get lost in late part. Not that what they do then has no meaning, but it's boring. Big plus for me was Go Youn Jung, who was the original Naksu in first episode of season 1. She has this feminine charm that makes me believe a romance.
Ep12 starts with a bang! Now the king confuses him with his son, scary. Woo, the scene is good and even Prince acting too now. Sadly, the music is again out of topic.
"the document of truth is..." TWIST... Lady Jo enters, and breaks my nerves.
Wait, she makes a false accusation, but takes opportunity the king is busy to discretly leave the throne room now. Ah! As a revenge for us about bad actions of Princess Whawa, she must do what she fears and hate the most: gives the royal seal to the new king. hehehehe.
Lady Jo is under arrest, as a result of the king investigation. Scene of her death is nice, but I'm not a lot moved. Bad choice of music again. I'll stop to say that, it's a general problem of the drama.
Scene with King and grand-son. A strong one. He says he won't forgive grandfather, and also he fears everything. Yet, he's not a coward, but it's true we feel fear or hesitation in him since a long time.
Ep13. After two slow and sleepy episodes, the drama comes back to life. Good comedy scene with King and Bodyguard sure to be expert about seduction. Then I missed a step because I don't know how the guard guess the court lady is a killer.
Hong meets his parent. The dialog looks like he's just in exil, but surprising: At the end, guards come with a bowl. I guess a bowl of poison, for a honorable death. Next, Princess Whamwa son is dead in exil. Mmh, sounds like the King ordered his death. Transition between the two scenes is a bit confusing, giving sens Hong Parent is the son. From now on, ML is more and more sinister, and FL can't really stand that.
Then, ML is drunk. It's the idea I had since the start: Due to difficult past and education, he's not as strong as many kings we see in historicals. Killing is an inner conflict difficult to accept.
King almost force a kiss with Duk Im, once drunk. We saw in a previous scene he was threatening her (many episodes ago). Something dark and twisted in this, making I enjoy the dramatic. However, he falls asleep dead drunk, and the scene didn't push to make him doing something bad. At this point I was ready for anything, as it could turn into tragedy. And excellent parallelism to underline here: In the comedy scene with bodyguard, bodyguard advice to look weak and pityfull to make a woman have interest in you. And as irony, it's exactly what happens now.
Ouch. The dowager queen (so pretty she should be the FL, lol) killed morally the king: In resume: "you killed many people to survive, but you didn't achieved anything".
It was fast and put into ellipsis: we have a young queen now. This girl was shown before with Duk Im but I forgot the scene. Now Duk Im wait for the king all night, while he's at the queen bedroom. Tssaahhhhhhh!!! But she could get him if she wanted. So, what to say? She suffers, and her decision leads her to that. I'm asking myself if she really love the king, and I don't think now. Maybe she loved it once, in the past but not enough. Now I just keep watching to see that more clearly.
Ep10. There was tension when they visit the secret lair. There is no one in this place, it's strange. I have no idea how they run away from this. They need to use another exit than the way they enter in. I was expecting it would be difficult, but it just cuts when Lady Jo finds the empty cell. We don't know if they could get the list of names. There were high-chance they could be catch, but they would end their days in a cell, like Lady Park. So, end of the drama! Also, Lady Jo asked to look for Duk Im, but this point is like forgotten.
Ep11. 3th degree burn, but the Prince takes it easy. Later, what I was waiting: Lady Jo meets Duk Im. At this point, Lady Jo should be 100% sure Duk Im liberated Lady Park. By the way, last night, she asked for Duk Im, but she couldn't be find. We didn't see it but it's logic.
With such a lunatic king, drama is always next door. ^^
Now a scene with Duk Im and court lady Seo. She says she could love the Prince without needing to be royal consort (concubine). While she's already in big trouble because of Lady Jo. I find Duk Im deluding herself. Her only way to live this love now is to get enough power to stay in the palace. I'm curious to know where it leads, but I find it strange.
Ouch... many sleepy scenes one after the other in this episode. The sleepy feeling is strong, with the soft music, and every people on the set seems tired. Plus, it's at night. It's great luck I watch that at morning. The guy delivering the most energy is the 83 years old king in a flashback. 😄
Something bother me: what are the consequences of the attack on the prince? I remember Lady Jo wanted to win time, if the King requires an investigation. But all of that seems gone in the wind now. Another point under the carpet: The prince is supposed to be regent? I don't remember one scene where he rules the kingdom. At least an intendant giving him a paper and PAF, he stamps it.
Oh, here I find back the writer. Duk Im solve the puzzle, but when she meets the Prince at the entrance, no time to explain. Kind of twist breaking audience nerves. So, it's nice.
Pleading in the throne room. Yep, I didn't mention before but now for sure: Main actor is too light. Not really a bad actor, but he doesn't stand enough. I have this problem with many young actors in recent dramas. Cute boys but they don't have a face, enough charisma and energy. I prefer main actress about acting, or some other characters.
Next Duk Im goes to see the queen, because we need to solve the previous twist now.
See here the problem about directing/editing: - When the King throws the list of traitors and Prince reads it. (it's his secret organisation) It should be a hard impact! First the sound, we should get a big freezing effect or a bang, then something sinister and powerful, anything but not this sleepy music. - About acting, sure the actor maybe in cause, but also the director who's in charge to lead actors. So everything is well made from a esthetic point of view but often it lacks dramatism. - We see in this scene it's not a writing problem, dialog and situation is good, and the King delivers lines with his point of view, different from the Prince. The King actor is very experimented, then he doesn't need a lot of lead.
Scene with Duk Im and the Queen is interesting. She choose a risky strategy by almost saying what the Queen should do. And only when she convices her, she talk about the "document of thruth".
Last instants for the cliffhanger were well made. Let's continue with Ep12...
Welcome in a world of mental disorders. I'll be curious to read comments to know if the writer treat the thematic…
I like occasionnaly romcoms, but disappointed by recent ones. As there are many older romcoms I didn't watch, I have a long list for the day I'd like to see that. Since I've drop NGNL, I do a cure of Sageuk. 😄
This writer often do that: go into a sad ending, but a very last twist turns it into a happy one, but with a bit of sacrifice and bittersweet.
It's fav drama of a friend, it's why I watch, and also I'm a bit Sageuk addict.
But don't give me spoilers please. I don't know this historical era.
I'll probably read a bit about that after I completed the drama. 😉
When old Sun Woo dies for good, his younger self still knows time travel exist. Now all incense sticks have burned, there isn't anymore repercussions from the past to the future. The future isn't written yet and the timeline of young Sun Woo is the only one.
He meets Min Young in the same way (door in the face, lol). However, something's different: Min Young remembers something coming from the last time travel: Sun Woo death. And she remembers to see him when she was a child. Anyway, Min Young ends to reveal to him why she's scared to date him, because she saw him dead.
Sun Woo understands then that the last time travel of his other self ended badly, by his death. I don't remember how (need to rewatch) but he makes also conclusion of the situation of his brother in Nepal. Then last scene, he's the mysterious man saving his brother. In episode 1 we saw someone approaching his brother, it was him. Only, the scene in episode 1 was a flashforward, not what happened in the previous timeline. It's tricky.
What means, of course, the writer did the whole drama structure first. Quite obvious it's needed for such a story. And about flashforward, she used that also in Memories of the Alhambra at the end of episode 2, and it was for a scene we see in episode 10.
At this time (2013), audience was more patient and ok for slow starts, ready to discover.
We still have small bits of time travel and mystery during this time.
It's only after watching, or rewatching we get the idea why the drama start this way.
Indeed, the relationships need to be set first, for the time changes to make sens after.
It's a bit like Sky Castle or The Glory, other dramas of this kind I can't classify as makjang.
I watched many makjang and I like the genre, but I don't get this feeling with this drama.
Here, it's not a soap opera, it focus on less characters. It takes seriously the thematic of a man having a love affair. Then, there are also twists and impactful or dramatic scenes. But can we say it's makjang, or just twists and drama?
Maybe you could watch it and decide by yourself. I think you could have a good time.
Expecting Seo Yea Ji in a drama like her previous one. I don't care. I like her role here.
Expecting someone else for the male lead. I don't care, the actor was good.
It's a makjang, but with a slower pace than ordinary makjang. It's my only criticism.
But when comes the love story, I prefer a lot more GYJ.
Now I watched many dramas of Hong sisters, they often write amazing parts of a story, but in some dramas get lost in late part. Not that what they do then has no meaning, but it's boring.
Big plus for me was Go Youn Jung, who was the original Naksu in first episode of season 1.
She has this feminine charm that makes me believe a romance.
Now the king confuses him with his son, scary.
Woo, the scene is good and even Prince acting too now.
Sadly, the music is again out of topic.
"the document of truth is..." TWIST... Lady Jo enters, and breaks my nerves.
Wait, she makes a false accusation, but takes opportunity the king is busy to discretly leave the throne room now. Ah!
As a revenge for us about bad actions of Princess Whawa, she must do what she fears and hate the most: gives the royal seal to the new king. hehehehe.
Lady Jo is under arrest, as a result of the king investigation.
Scene of her death is nice, but I'm not a lot moved.
Bad choice of music again. I'll stop to say that, it's a general problem of the drama.
Scene with King and grand-son. A strong one.
He says he won't forgive grandfather, and also he fears everything.
Yet, he's not a coward, but it's true we feel fear or hesitation in him since a long time.
Ep13. After two slow and sleepy episodes, the drama comes back to life.
Good comedy scene with King and Bodyguard sure to be expert about seduction.
Then I missed a step because I don't know how the guard guess the court lady is a killer.
Hong meets his parent. The dialog looks like he's just in exil, but surprising:
At the end, guards come with a bowl. I guess a bowl of poison, for a honorable death.
Next, Princess Whamwa son is dead in exil. Mmh, sounds like the King ordered his death.
Transition between the two scenes is a bit confusing, giving sens Hong Parent is the son.
From now on, ML is more and more sinister, and FL can't really stand that.
Then, ML is drunk. It's the idea I had since the start:
Due to difficult past and education, he's not as strong as many kings we see in historicals.
Killing is an inner conflict difficult to accept.
King almost force a kiss with Duk Im, once drunk.
We saw in a previous scene he was threatening her (many episodes ago).
Something dark and twisted in this, making I enjoy the dramatic.
However, he falls asleep dead drunk, and the scene didn't push to make him doing something bad. At this point I was ready for anything, as it could turn into tragedy.
And excellent parallelism to underline here:
In the comedy scene with bodyguard, bodyguard advice to look weak and pityfull to make a woman have interest in you. And as irony, it's exactly what happens now.
Ouch. The dowager queen (so pretty she should be the FL, lol) killed morally the king:
In resume: "you killed many people to survive, but you didn't achieved anything".
It was fast and put into ellipsis: we have a young queen now.
This girl was shown before with Duk Im but I forgot the scene.
Now Duk Im wait for the king all night, while he's at the queen bedroom.
Tssaahhhhhhh!!! But she could get him if she wanted.
So, what to say? She suffers, and her decision leads her to that.
I'm asking myself if she really love the king, and I don't think now.
Maybe she loved it once, in the past but not enough.
Now I just keep watching to see that more clearly.
There was tension when they visit the secret lair. There is no one in this place, it's strange. I have no idea how they run away from this. They need to use another exit than the way they enter in. I was expecting it would be difficult, but it just cuts when Lady Jo finds the empty cell. We don't know if they could get the list of names. There were high-chance they could be catch, but they would end their days in a cell, like Lady Park. So, end of the drama!
Also, Lady Jo asked to look for Duk Im, but this point is like forgotten.
Ep11.
3th degree burn, but the Prince takes it easy.
Later, what I was waiting: Lady Jo meets Duk Im.
At this point, Lady Jo should be 100% sure Duk Im liberated Lady Park.
By the way, last night, she asked for Duk Im, but she couldn't be find.
We didn't see it but it's logic.
With such a lunatic king, drama is always next door. ^^
Now a scene with Duk Im and court lady Seo. She says she could love the Prince without needing to be royal consort (concubine). While she's already in big trouble because of Lady Jo. I find Duk Im deluding herself. Her only way to live this love now is to get enough power to stay in the palace. I'm curious to know where it leads, but I find it strange.
Ouch... many sleepy scenes one after the other in this episode.
The sleepy feeling is strong, with the soft music, and every people on the set seems tired.
Plus, it's at night. It's great luck I watch that at morning.
The guy delivering the most energy is the 83 years old king in a flashback. 😄
Something bother me: what are the consequences of the attack on the prince?
I remember Lady Jo wanted to win time, if the King requires an investigation.
But all of that seems gone in the wind now.
Another point under the carpet: The prince is supposed to be regent?
I don't remember one scene where he rules the kingdom.
At least an intendant giving him a paper and PAF, he stamps it.
Oh, here I find back the writer.
Duk Im solve the puzzle, but when she meets the Prince at the entrance, no time to explain.
Kind of twist breaking audience nerves. So, it's nice.
Pleading in the throne room. Yep, I didn't mention before but now for sure:
Main actor is too light. Not really a bad actor, but he doesn't stand enough.
I have this problem with many young actors in recent dramas.
Cute boys but they don't have a face, enough charisma and energy.
I prefer main actress about acting, or some other characters.
Next Duk Im goes to see the queen, because we need to solve the previous twist now.
See here the problem about directing/editing:
- When the King throws the list of traitors and Prince reads it. (it's his secret organisation)
It should be a hard impact! First the sound, we should get a big freezing effect or a bang, then something sinister and powerful, anything but not this sleepy music.
- About acting, sure the actor maybe in cause, but also the director who's in charge to lead actors. So everything is well made from a esthetic point of view but often it lacks dramatism.
- We see in this scene it's not a writing problem, dialog and situation is good, and the King delivers lines with his point of view, different from the Prince. The King actor is very experimented, then he doesn't need a lot of lead.
Scene with Duk Im and the Queen is interesting. She choose a risky strategy by almost saying what the Queen should do. And only when she convices her, she talk about the "document of thruth".
Last instants for the cliffhanger were well made. Let's continue with Ep12...