Why is Ying Deng listed for part 2? She better not come back in this series! I'll be so mad!
I think she will because of the deal she cut with the demon-in-the-wall, that he could do whatever he wanted with her body/spirit if she should fail. So I'm thinking she'll appear in part 2, because of contract reasons.
Rough summary from watching first episode: A bodyguard from the past comes to the present and meets (I think an actor) who resembles the prince she has been protecting in her time period. However, her attempts to "save" him are met with disdain.
You can politely request Tencent to do them, on their short channel, but keep in mind humans need to do the subs, so saying, "Right now" etc will result in substandard subs. So aim to say, "I'll be patient" and "Thank you."
So the general theme of the drama from the very beginning was that Hee Soo (희수) didn't love herself enough.…
Yeah, I do so on my blog somewhat and sometimes in drama comments, but some people get really mad at them. Mostly cultural notes, character notes, and thematic notes. Someone got really mad at me posting cultural notes about Qing and the origin of the SA ==Honorable woman by women expected to commit suicide came from Prince Gwanghae during the Imjin War on another site... so... I put them on a blog. But it's that sort of thing. I give a little historical background on the thing, or make cultural notes to make it easier to understand, or comment on the politics in the drama, on if they are correct or not. (As in things like OMG, Homosexuality is a white import--which it isn't, except when you're retconning and think Korean history only comes from the Imjin War forwards) If I'm allowed links, I'll also link up to the support on my statements.
People also get mad at my feminism commentary and how the issues different for each country and international viewers might not understand the issues being brought up in the drama, etc. *shrugs* Say like how Me Too affected S. Korea differently than say, UK or US. Or what "Escape the Corset" means.
It's that sort of thing. *shrugs* It's my defense against Koreaboos--I believe in education about the good and bad of Korea, rather than promoting fetishization, etc. I want people to know what is good and bad and understand the context the drama is referring to.
In this case, the missing story structure Giseungjeongyeol, I thought would help understand the story better. (Education about story structures worldwide is pretty poor).
Probably because I'm Korean I liked the ending...I'll explain why in the spoilers.
So the general theme of the drama from the very beginning was that Hee Soo (희수) didn't love herself enough. She kept trying to find love in all the wrong places, and tried to find it in men that didn't love her, and people who didn't care about her, so when she was getting it from the right places, she couldn't see it at all.
Since Koreans deal more generally on thematic development, because it's a forte of the writing, the story arc, which is giseungjeongyeol, makes complete sense.
The first act is her trying to find love in the wrong places. The second act (seung) is about her friend finding out about the notebookand her not being able to see the love of those she cares about around her. The Jeon is kinda literal with her returning home where it all began. (They added two twists in there too) And the Gyeol is the *result* rather than the conclusion. The result is that she learned how to love herself. Thus the ending song. Since the whole plot wasn't about her finding romantic love, it didn't end there, and I think if the plot had ended there, it would have been a royal mess as the writer pointed out in the last episode:
Hee Soo was too reliant for affection from Si Ho. And Si Ho was too reliant on her for helping with his panic attacks--he also needed to learn self-love and respect. Since Hee Soo was an endless pit of need that took from everyone, she needed to have time to reset the old patterns with Ji Ho. So a year to reset isn't bad. And then they could reevaluate their relationship again and start on a fresh foot. And this, to me, is the most believable ending. It's the healthiest and not the codependent relationship that would have resulted otherwise.
I know people hate "result" endings and want really closed conclusions, but the story had run out of premise by then. The diary no longer existed. Her mother got revenge on her backstabby friend, she'd learned love, so you'd need another drama in order to get them to be able to reset their friendship with a new set up.
I'm so excited!! Rosy studio weibo confirmed both our leads lusi and yuxi will both be in the making of 2nd season…
I went digging and I can't find it.
The official WeTV English announced a possibility back in August of 2020. Zhao Lusi's official account translated on twitter doesn't mention it, though there is a celebration of her in historical dramas from WeTV.
Better than Eternal Love indeed! The other title is more interesting for me which is "The Parting of Orchid and…
Why can't they come up with other terms for Eternal, like Love to Infinity, Everlasting Love, Immortal Romance, Neverending Love, Timeless Love. IQiyi needs to meet a thesaurus.
Is there a place that exists where this show has good subs AND good sound quality? T . T I tried watching it on…
If sound is good on one, but not the images, and the images are bad on one, but the sound is good, I've pulled off the trick of using double tabs silencing one, and then cuing up the other screen so I can watch it. Takes a bit of effort, but is often worth it.
In the qichengzhuanhe, the cheng part of the drama doesn't happen until about episode 12, but a lot of Chinese dramas have the qi over by episode 6-ish. And some people are really impatient being spoiled on Hollywood and English-language media to have that sort of set up for the 5-act inciting incident to be as quick as possible. (Technical speak) But yeah, that's why I'm saying wait it out. The "introduction" section of the qichengzhuanhe structure takes longer than usual.
This drama has a slow pitch. It doesn't really warm up until about episode 13--and I realize that's a really long time to wait with Chinese dramas, but it will pay off. So I beg people to give it a chance to get there, but it gains steam over time. Having low expectations of this drama at first, honestly, I thought it would be back burner type. But it slowly grew from back burner to midburner to sizzling. If you quit at before episode 13, you're missing things, but the way the story is set up, you need episode 1-13 to understand the action, so please, please be patient.
He does. ..Remember his assistant said there were 2 keys originally and just needed to find the 2nd one in the…
Episode 3 establishes the Qiu Yan's reputation is ruined. This is doubled up by the servant characters in episode 4, when he's chatting about the origin of the fan.
Episode 4, Qiu Yan tells Liang Yi, she hates him, because he lets her believe he has send the girl and the guy to prison without punishing the others. Liang Yi is taken aback, because he thinks she doesn't know him. Liang Yi is invited to the palace and the Empress gives him a choice. Liang Yi pauses a really long time on Qiu Yan, but quickly turns the page after realizing he can't have her to her sister and flatly declares he wants her sister. This is clearly against his own wishes.
The servant then goes on about why this is a good choice over Qiu Yan, which is what OTHER people will think about Liang Yi. But it's clear this isn't what Liang Yi, himself, thinks.
Episode 5, Liang Yi, tips to the audience that he also knows the girl when he recognizes the fan. He's been delaying from indications getting married to find her. He runs to Qiu Jin, and thinks that Qiu Jin is the girl, until she speaks to him. Then he drops a line about how she is NOTHING like the girl he remembers and calls the girl from him memory, willful, stubborn, etc. He then tells the servant he's going to delay the proposal. He then keeps calling Qiu Yan willful, and stubborn, but SMILING and trying to stay neutral about it.
He obviously manipulated the board a bit to try to get Qiu Yan to come to him about the game, or already guessed she'd have to. At the game, he flat out tells her he's pursuing her and only got close to her sister in order to be closer to her, because remember, she declared, she hated him. He indicates several times that he knows she's the girl from his memories. "You shouldn't discard gifts from people you don't like", but she doesn't listen to him. He declares war on his bestie when she's out of range saying she's out of his league and he shouldn't even try. She bests him several times during the game and he's clearly, clearly pleased.
In Episode 12, BTW, there are two sets of flashbacks from him on why he likes her, and they go back to episode 2-3, when she lectures him on the differences between men and women. By episode 12, they are declaring, "You've changed" which is past the other Chinese rom com stages of "Fighting it" "Surrendering to love" "Making a plan." And then the last stage is someone declaring that the hero or heroine has changed.
They show he made a plan when he took her to the boat to try to get her to like him. Because he's in a position of power, as she rightly points out to declare he likes any woman he wants and then marry her by force. He thinks she hates him, so works out a way to try to get his way. She admits she doesn't like her cousin on the boat, which gets a reaction from him. He's pleased, but trying to hide it, at the same time as trying to turn things around so she admits she likes him.
When he's watching her, later, try to plot to get her cousin to marry her, he's wholly amused by the whole thing, because he's 100% sure he can win her over and her cousin has no chance. If he wasn't into her, that's not the emotions he should have, he'd be annoyed, interceding for his best friend. But instead, he watches cooly, already figuring out what she's done and why she's done it, because he said he wanted to watch what she would do. And when she shows him, he's floored and admiring her for it. But he still calls her out on her behavior (next scene).
And then I think he knew she would solve the task of the fake money and set her on a path of finding him again, which is why he notified her father.
He's done his best, also to clear any competitor, though subtly. He helped with the money laundering and notifying, because he knew she would use that to get out of the marriage and ask for her own freedom. He used the handcuffs and refused to give the key several times because he knew it would be a public display. And he's been steadily hinting at her that he remembers their past. "When did you see blood?" And smiling every time she out smarts him. He's been needling her to admit it. But when she wouldn't admit it, he gave her large broad clue, a little tired that she wouldn't give it up, but he's equally too proud to admit he knows who she is.
So no, he didn't mistake Qiu Min for her. Every line after he meets Qiu Min has shown he knows the identity of the girl, but he's been trying to get Qiu Yan to admit it at every turn and then her feelings for him. Such as, "You must be a regular at these places" Episode 9, which makes him go, "What," and then SMILE, because he knows she's jealous. If he didn't like her, why stare after her and SMILE? He'd be indignant and declare that's not what the Firewood officers do.
If that's not a man smitten, then I don't understand rom coms well.
He does. ..Remember his assistant said there were 2 keys originally and just needed to find the 2nd one in the…
I still hold he realized he had feelings for her in episode 4... and then Episode 5 cemented my feelings about that. As for the reasons why he didn't openly pursue her, episode 3 and 4 tells you why.
You should learn to enjoy result over conclusion... More East Asian dramas are "result" not conclusion. A lot of USian dramas are addicted to super closed conclusion due to the story structures. USian dramas are the worst in the world for being addicted to endings over the journey.
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People also get mad at my feminism commentary and how the issues different for each country and international viewers might not understand the issues being brought up in the drama, etc. *shrugs* Say like how Me Too affected S. Korea differently than say, UK or US. Or what "Escape the Corset" means.
It's that sort of thing. *shrugs* It's my defense against Koreaboos--I believe in education about the good and bad of Korea, rather than promoting fetishization, etc. I want people to know what is good and bad and understand the context the drama is referring to.
In this case, the missing story structure Giseungjeongyeol, I thought would help understand the story better. (Education about story structures worldwide is pretty poor).
Since Koreans deal more generally on thematic development, because it's a forte of the writing, the story arc, which is giseungjeongyeol, makes complete sense.
The first act is her trying to find love in the wrong places. The second act (seung) is about her friend finding out about the notebookand her not being able to see the love of those she cares about around her. The Jeon is kinda literal with her returning home where it all began. (They added two twists in there too) And the Gyeol is the *result* rather than the conclusion. The result is that she learned how to love herself. Thus the ending song. Since the whole plot wasn't about her finding romantic love, it didn't end there, and I think if the plot had ended there, it would have been a royal mess as the writer pointed out in the last episode:
Hee Soo was too reliant for affection from Si Ho. And Si Ho was too reliant on her for helping with his panic attacks--he also needed to learn self-love and respect. Since Hee Soo was an endless pit of need that took from everyone, she needed to have time to reset the old patterns with Ji Ho. So a year to reset isn't bad. And then they could reevaluate their relationship again and start on a fresh foot. And this, to me, is the most believable ending. It's the healthiest and not the codependent relationship that would have resulted otherwise.
I know people hate "result" endings and want really closed conclusions, but the story had run out of premise by then. The diary no longer existed. Her mother got revenge on her backstabby friend, she'd learned love, so you'd need another drama in order to get them to be able to reset their friendship with a new set up.
I'll explain why in the spoilers.
The official WeTV English announced a possibility back in August of 2020. Zhao Lusi's official account translated on twitter doesn't mention it, though there is a celebration of her in historical dramas from WeTV.
But I can't see anything beyond that ATM.
I can't seem to verify the claim on weibo either.
Episode 4, Qiu Yan tells Liang Yi, she hates him, because he lets her believe he has send the girl and the guy to prison without punishing the others. Liang Yi is taken aback, because he thinks she doesn't know him. Liang Yi is invited to the palace and the Empress gives him a choice. Liang Yi pauses a really long time on Qiu Yan, but quickly turns the page after realizing he can't have her to her sister and flatly declares he wants her sister. This is clearly against his own wishes.
The servant then goes on about why this is a good choice over Qiu Yan, which is what OTHER people will think about Liang Yi. But it's clear this isn't what Liang Yi, himself, thinks.
Episode 5, Liang Yi, tips to the audience that he also knows the girl when he recognizes the fan. He's been delaying from indications getting married to find her. He runs to Qiu Jin, and thinks that Qiu Jin is the girl, until she speaks to him. Then he drops a line about how she is NOTHING like the girl he remembers and calls the girl from him memory, willful, stubborn, etc. He then tells the servant he's going to delay the proposal. He then keeps calling Qiu Yan willful, and stubborn, but SMILING and trying to stay neutral about it.
He obviously manipulated the board a bit to try to get Qiu Yan to come to him about the game, or already guessed she'd have to. At the game, he flat out tells her he's pursuing her and only got close to her sister in order to be closer to her, because remember, she declared, she hated him. He indicates several times that he knows she's the girl from his memories. "You shouldn't discard gifts from people you don't like", but she doesn't listen to him. He declares war on his bestie when she's out of range saying she's out of his league and he shouldn't even try. She bests him several times during the game and he's clearly, clearly pleased.
In Episode 12, BTW, there are two sets of flashbacks from him on why he likes her, and they go back to episode 2-3, when she lectures him on the differences between men and women. By episode 12, they are declaring, "You've changed" which is past the other Chinese rom com stages of "Fighting it" "Surrendering to love" "Making a plan." And then the last stage is someone declaring that the hero or heroine has changed.
They show he made a plan when he took her to the boat to try to get her to like him. Because he's in a position of power, as she rightly points out to declare he likes any woman he wants and then marry her by force. He thinks she hates him, so works out a way to try to get his way. She admits she doesn't like her cousin on the boat, which gets a reaction from him. He's pleased, but trying to hide it, at the same time as trying to turn things around so she admits she likes him.
When he's watching her, later, try to plot to get her cousin to marry her, he's wholly amused by the whole thing, because he's 100% sure he can win her over and her cousin has no chance. If he wasn't into her, that's not the emotions he should have, he'd be annoyed, interceding for his best friend. But instead, he watches cooly, already figuring out what she's done and why she's done it, because he said he wanted to watch what she would do. And when she shows him, he's floored and admiring her for it. But he still calls her out on her behavior (next scene).
And then I think he knew she would solve the task of the fake money and set her on a path of finding him again, which is why he notified her father.
He's done his best, also to clear any competitor, though subtly. He helped with the money laundering and notifying, because he knew she would use that to get out of the marriage and ask for her own freedom. He used the handcuffs and refused to give the key several times because he knew it would be a public display. And he's been steadily hinting at her that he remembers their past. "When did you see blood?" And smiling every time she out smarts him. He's been needling her to admit it. But when she wouldn't admit it, he gave her large broad clue, a little tired that she wouldn't give it up, but he's equally too proud to admit he knows who she is.
So no, he didn't mistake Qiu Min for her. Every line after he meets Qiu Min has shown he knows the identity of the girl, but he's been trying to get Qiu Yan to admit it at every turn and then her feelings for him. Such as, "You must be a regular at these places" Episode 9, which makes him go, "What," and then SMILE, because he knows she's jealous. If he didn't like her, why stare after her and SMILE? He'd be indignant and declare that's not what the Firewood officers do.
If that's not a man smitten, then I don't understand rom coms well.