I have jst read the whole novel, and now started watching the show, I disliked the princess in the novel for various…
I recommend you stop bothering with this shit cuz you are not changing anybody's mind and instead they will call you misogynist and other names. According to comment section, she is pure angel who did nothing wrong, while ML is the source of problem in everything.
most viewer didn't hate fl. they are more like disgusting.
You are again giving her wayy to much "benefit of the doubt here" but I can tell you, you would be disappointed with whole boat ordeal and her behaviour would continue till the end. Living separate doesn't mean divorce or full hand to cheat, she abused her power and position to harass and wreck a person with lower social status...and she is continuing it in this life. That's how I see it and y'all are ZJM fans (and she did make it bearable) and can't separate her face from character but we will see ! as far as I am concerned ML had did nothing wrong in present life but FL had did 10''s of wrong this and according to people, there is justification for everything ! anyway lets end this convo and we will see, if she actually improves her behaviour !
most viewer didn't hate fl. they are more like disgusting.
The biggest weakness of this plot is her justification for dumping ML in previous life is very weak and her behaviour/crimes from previous life are too big to whitewash with simple of justification of "Start new and move on". "During the ML scene, yes PWX did say they were just snuggling up to each other but that also implied nothing more". It did imply more cuz he was Eunuch and snuggling, fing or touching was max he can do...you can't expect him to go full cuz he lacks the organ to do so. I don't think we are changing anybody mind cuz you believe she is "innocent and pure woman" who did nothing wrong, while I think otherwise and hence lets end it.
most viewer didn't hate fl. they are more like disgusting.
First its all connected, and their past life is molding their present, where they are using previous events to change the present. So, I don't think they can pick the good and dump the ugly from their past life. Whole premise of their present relationship stems from their previous 30 years. If its new beginning and past don't matter, then what's justification for her feelings and closeness with SQR. Why the longing in the umbrella scene, court scene and when he purposed marriage less than 12 hours after her husband death, no rebuke, anger or anything, complete silence like she is considering it. He didn't agree to not interfere, she as a royal princess using her authority FORCED HIM AGAINST his will to give her open right to cheat, she overreacted cuz he saved his ex fiance from certain death and after saving, he hand it over to her husband (didn't cheat or spent time together). She demanded divorce but, in those times nobody can divorce the Imperial family member....and asking for it from emperor is 100% guaranteed death. So they didn't separated on will, she gave him ultimatum him to either die/ destroy his career at minimum or put up her infidelity !
Secondly, I don't think FL has learned any lesson up to this point, viewers are angry cuz leads had "Full and open communication" in which they put everything on the table and made commitments, but FL (rain scene) don't seem to follow them and continue her arrogant behaviour. ML told her to don't make one sided decision that effects both of them and discuss with him before making any moves, but did she listen to him and discuss anything with him. Unlike majority of angry people here, I know she designed the whole assassination plot cuz assassins were targeting ML life and she put herself in danger to save him....but did she communicate, nope instead ML went on romantic vacation and she went on hunting vacation. Not to mention this could have went very bad and ML could have died cuz of it.
most viewer didn't hate fl. they are more like disgusting.
Unfortunately, whole thing has turned into gender war and its very difficult to get your point across. People are willing to give 1000 of justification for FL behaviour and all we ask for is "Separation" to allow FL to sort out her emotions, deal with baggage from previous relationship and decide what she wants in life ! ML can also try his luck with other people and decide what's best for him and if he chooses FL in the end, then its what its !
most viewer didn't hate fl. they are more like disgusting.
Lol I don't remember the exact episode but, in the episode, where FL talked to her other self from the past, her past self said you were together with him 20 years...are you sure you don't have feelings for him. If they were only friends, her past self would have cleared it to her and they won't use word together in relationship sense. It was the first confirmation,
Then we had ML bath scene, in which he was talking to his past self...his past self said "in past life at-least she was my wife, so they can only snuggle up to each other in bed at night" Did you hear it, these are the exact lines from the drama and drama confirmed it without a shadow of the doubt, THEY WERE SLEEPING TOGETHER and SHE WAS CHEATING ON ML.
Its literally a fact at this point and don't where, leads will have discussion again around ep 35 and ML will give full detailed encounter to the FL, how he discovered they were cheating and walked in on them, having the sex! Lol, I get it the intention of the writer was to make story in which "Love transcends" above everything but they went too far and now justifying, infidelity, emotional torture and when then death by aggressor hands (when she can't torture him). After all this shit, victim is again going to/chasing aggressor to be "F" all over again and she has no regret or accountability, let alone even making up to him. LMAO, I think we had some good discussion in the past but this is the first time, I completely disagree with you. I know its fictional drama, but it still feels like "Writer is trying to insult men" and that's why tempers are flaring and you see angry dudes responding with raw aggression. Let me clarify it again, I am taking out my anger on character of FL and please don't take it personally and to give further context to the matter. If I were ML (I would have never waited 20 years for a cheater in first place), I would have stayed as far way from FL as possible even if I have to become bandit/thug/ musician for it and if I had no choice, I would found nearest pond/well/mountain and end it all ! That's how 80% of men will react to situation like this and its that infuriating !
"LOOOOOOOOL! You are SO triggered that you sent the same comment two times. It's so funny!" "Piece of garbage, the error technically was brought on by MDL system, I just POINTED it out, you tried to defend yourself and then tried to pretend it didn't bothered you. LOOOOL!" "You told me "fuck off" before so thought you were going to get boring, I've given you a deliberate mistake to lengthen my source of amusement. LOOOOL! That's how I like your energy! LMAO."
1)First dumb fucking idiot, you didn't point it out you accused me of sending two comments in anger, as your first comments states. 2)Then you changed your stance two times in one comment, first you said I pointed it out and then you said, I have give you deliberate mistake. So, what it is dumb flustered woman, you are behaving like a person who is caught with his pants down by her parents (during servicing the entire neighbourhood including animals/pets). This is the second time; I have caught you lying. First you tried to be grammar nazi and I caught you making same mistakes and now this.....Woman just give up and fuck off cuz you are making of fool of yourself here!
That's why I have no sympathy for him and stopped commenting in his favour but it really begs the question?Production…
First you could be right here and as a man, I am taking ML side but problems are supposed to be solved and running away from them like both parties did, didn't solve anything. FL saw he was saving her life but went complete ham on and did crazy shit. I believe in things like these people opinion will differ cuz they have different boundaries for relationship and like I told you mine, I would never put up with infidelity. There were cases in the past but this time I can say for fact, gender war and bias is going on. I heard some wild shit from people I respect on this site cuz of gender difference.
They could save easily solved these problems or lower their impact by separating leads for a bit and that would have given FL enough time to move on and decide, what she wants in life and at the same time allowed ML opportunity to look at other options and make a calculated decision about his future. I know you believe FL had reasons but her reasons very very weak like I said, someone's life (QZZ was dying and asked for his help) more imp than someone's ego (FL thought he loves her cuz he saved her life)(you can say I am Doc so my career bias is clouding my judgment). AFter that both were wrong for not properly communicating with each other but the response which come from FL was extremely disproportional to the crime and as we can from this life, FL is a type of reckless person who believes she is always right, and her reasons are above everything. She behaves like this cuz she has never faced consequences of her actions; I hope ML teaches her this lesson by actually leaving for once ! I am not saying ML was completely in the right here but if someone stole some cheap shit but other party tortured him for years and then accidently murder him. I would say second party was in the wrong! The biggest problem with this drama is lack of accountability by both parties but especially FL !
That's why I have no sympathy for him and stopped commenting in his favour but it really begs the question?Production…
Equality but not absolute equality and with any involvement of he did/she did with general idea of "Accountability". What I am trying to say here sometimes you help her and sometimes she bows down and helps you WITH-IN BOUNDARIES. Their relationship is extremely one side and ML is putting in all the effort and still getting spanked for it. They seem to want to different things in life and not compatible, but ML is powering through by always lowering his head. I would just say it in my 7 years of relationship, I have seen you can solve majority of problems with proper communication and their fight was over nothing, someone's life is more important than someone's hurt ego....but infidelity is something I believe you could never solve or put up with.
That's why I have no sympathy for him and stopped commenting in his favour but it really begs the question?Production…
"if it is true, BF-GF H - W will never had problem" What's that supposed to mean? You mean openly cheating on your partner over dumb mistake (in which he saved his ex from certain death) and ruining his reputation in the capital is okay! Majority of "People" seem very okay with it and you think couples won't have problems, if woman started treating their man like this. As a man I am willing to guarantee here, that majority of man won't put up this shit and they would try to run and if they can't run....they will kill !
"LOOOOOOOOL! You are SO triggered that you sent the same comment two times. It's so funny!" "If you aren't bothered about the technical error, then you shouldn't have brought it up. LOL! Why complain about the error if it doesn't really matter? It is fascinating and amusing to see how you betray yourself with your contradictions. LOOOOOL!"
You brought up the technical error DUMB IDIOT ! Keep lying and I will continue to catch you for it !
I usually do del it but why should I bother to it here? You are an lame idiot, who thinks just mentally insane people believes everybody else is insane apart from her.
Ppl want to see romance as soon as possible. LR character is right on the spot that it should be.
Lol, I called you arrogant cuz you think everybody else is dumb and they are not but SQR has infuriated people to such a extent, that they are openly cursing them but I don't think a living dildo deserves such attention.
K and C dramas are haven and earth. I've been in both lands for a long time 😁 yet my heart is in C land . Maybe…
Beside her facade of carelessness and cold behaviour is a torrent of supressed emotions, caged for 20 years and ML death (powerful catalyst) should have let out those emotions a little bit.
K and C dramas are haven and earth. I've been in both lands for a long time 😁 yet my heart is in C land . Maybe…
Okay then have civil discussion here, You have very unicellular view of the FL character and believe its grey or white but LR character has alot of depth, even in previous life she fought ML 24/7 and even in presence of their play-toy. She still focused all her obsession on ML and with the amount of crazy power in her hand at the end of her life, with nobel families support behind her back she didn't requested divorce from her brother. Common people/nobels can't divorce imperials but and if ML requested divorce, he will surely die but she had full power to do it but she didn't? Do you know why cuz her character is very deep and all her actions against ML in previous life were to spite ML, she not only loved him but was obsessed with her to the degree...even when knew ML killed her she cried ! You can like and have your favourite sex toy (SQR) but you can't love your sex toy and when she knew about his death, her actions and acting was bit lacking. You think she is cold hearted woman, who don't care and hence her actions made sense, but in rain scene when ML said, he is leaving, you saw glimpse of her crazy obsession but when she heard ML died....her acting kinda slumped and its perfectly Okay! She is young and emerging actress, who can't be compared to Wu Jinyan. The point I am trying to make here is....you thinks she don't care but infact she cares bit too much and wants to correct the world to avoid their death.
Ppl want to see romance as soon as possible. LR character is right on the spot that it should be.
First stop this arrogant attitude and real reason, people are pissed is cuz they have seen previous and lets just say "She fucked up big time". It was bad enough that ML packed all his stuff and nearly walked out on her but then remembered, he is a cuck !
Living separate doesn't mean divorce or full hand to cheat, she abused her power and position to harass and wreck a person with lower social status...and she is continuing it in this life. That's how I see it and y'all are ZJM fans (and she did make it bearable) and can't separate her face from character but we will see !
as far as I am concerned ML had did nothing wrong in present life but FL had did 10''s of wrong this and according to people, there is justification for everything !
anyway lets end this convo and we will see, if she actually improves her behaviour !
"During the ML scene, yes PWX did say they were just snuggling up to each other but that also implied nothing more". It did imply more cuz he was Eunuch and snuggling, fing or touching was max he can do...you can't expect him to go full cuz he lacks the organ to do so.
I don't think we are changing anybody mind cuz you believe she is "innocent and pure woman" who did nothing wrong, while I think otherwise and hence lets end it.
He didn't agree to not interfere, she as a royal princess using her authority FORCED HIM AGAINST his will to give her open right to cheat, she overreacted cuz he saved his ex fiance from certain death and after saving, he hand it over to her husband (didn't cheat or spent time together). She demanded divorce but, in those times nobody can divorce the Imperial family member....and asking for it from emperor is 100% guaranteed death.
So they didn't separated on will, she gave him ultimatum him to either die/ destroy his career at minimum or put up her infidelity !
Secondly, I don't think FL has learned any lesson up to this point, viewers are angry cuz leads had "Full and open communication" in which they put everything on the table and made commitments, but FL (rain scene) don't seem to follow them and continue her arrogant behaviour. ML told her to don't make one sided decision that effects both of them and discuss with him before making any moves, but did she listen to him and discuss anything with him.
Unlike majority of angry people here, I know she designed the whole assassination plot cuz assassins were targeting ML life and she put herself in danger to save him....but did she communicate, nope instead ML went on romantic vacation and she went on hunting vacation. Not to mention this could have went very bad and ML could have died cuz of it.
ML can also try his luck with other people and decide what's best for him and if he chooses FL in the end, then its what its !
Then we had ML bath scene, in which he was talking to his past self...his past self said "in past life at-least she was my wife, so they can only snuggle up to each other in bed at night"
Did you hear it, these are the exact lines from the drama and drama confirmed it without a shadow of the doubt, THEY WERE SLEEPING TOGETHER and SHE WAS CHEATING ON ML.
Its literally a fact at this point and don't where, leads will have discussion again around ep 35 and ML will give full detailed encounter to the FL, how he discovered they were cheating and walked in on them, having the sex!
Lol, I get it the intention of the writer was to make story in which "Love transcends" above everything but they went too far and now justifying, infidelity, emotional torture and when then death by aggressor hands (when she can't torture him). After all this shit, victim is again going to/chasing aggressor to be "F" all over again and she has no regret or accountability, let alone even making up to him. LMAO, I think we had some good discussion in the past but this is the first time, I completely disagree with you. I know its fictional drama, but it still feels like "Writer is trying to insult men" and that's why tempers are flaring and you see angry dudes responding with raw aggression.
Let me clarify it again, I am taking out my anger on character of FL and please don't take it personally and to give further context to the matter. If I were ML (I would have never waited 20 years for a cheater in first place), I would have stayed as far way from FL as possible even if I have to become bandit/thug/ musician for it and if I had no choice, I would found nearest pond/well/mountain and end it all !
That's how 80% of men will react to situation like this and its that infuriating !
"Piece of garbage, the error technically was brought on by MDL system, I just POINTED it out, you tried to defend yourself and then tried to pretend it didn't bothered you. LOOOOL!"
"You told me "fuck off" before so thought you were going to get boring, I've given you a deliberate mistake to lengthen my source of amusement. LOOOOL! That's how I like your energy! LMAO."
1)First dumb fucking idiot, you didn't point it out you accused me of sending two comments in anger, as your first comments states.
2)Then you changed your stance two times in one comment, first you said I pointed it out and then you said, I have give you deliberate mistake.
So, what it is dumb flustered woman, you are behaving like a person who is caught with his pants down by her parents (during servicing the entire neighbourhood including animals/pets).
This is the second time; I have caught you lying. First you tried to be grammar nazi and I caught you making same mistakes and now this.....Woman just give up and fuck off cuz you are making of fool of yourself here!
FL saw he was saving her life but went complete ham on and did crazy shit. I believe in things like these people opinion will differ cuz they have different boundaries for relationship and like I told you mine, I would never put up with infidelity.
There were cases in the past but this time I can say for fact, gender war and bias is going on. I heard some wild shit from people I respect on this site cuz of gender difference.
They could save easily solved these problems or lower their impact by separating leads for a bit and that would have given FL enough time to move on and decide, what she wants in life and at the same time allowed ML opportunity to look at other options and make a calculated decision about his future.
I know you believe FL had reasons but her reasons very very weak like I said, someone's life (QZZ was dying and asked for his help) more imp than someone's ego (FL thought he loves her cuz he saved her life)(you can say I am Doc so my career bias is clouding my judgment). AFter that both were wrong for not properly communicating with each other but the response which come from FL was extremely disproportional to the crime and as we can from this life, FL is a type of reckless person who believes she is always right, and her reasons are above everything.
She behaves like this cuz she has never faced consequences of her actions; I hope ML teaches her this lesson by actually leaving for once !
I am not saying ML was completely in the right here but if someone stole some cheap shit but other party tortured him for years and then accidently murder him. I would say second party was in the wrong!
The biggest problem with this drama is lack of accountability by both parties but especially FL !
What I am trying to say here sometimes you help her and sometimes she bows down and helps you WITH-IN BOUNDARIES. Their relationship is extremely one side and ML is putting in all the effort and still getting spanked for it.
They seem to want to different things in life and not compatible, but ML is powering through by always lowering his head. I would just say it in my 7 years of relationship, I have seen you can solve majority of problems with proper communication and their fight was over nothing, someone's life is more important than someone's hurt ego....but infidelity is something I believe you could never solve or put up with.
What's that supposed to mean?
You mean openly cheating on your partner over dumb mistake (in which he saved his ex from certain death) and ruining his reputation in the capital is okay!
Majority of "People" seem very okay with it and you think couples won't have problems, if woman started treating their man like this. As a man I am willing to guarantee here, that majority of man won't put up this shit and they would try to run and if they can't run....they will kill !
"If you aren't bothered about the technical error, then you shouldn't have brought it up. LOL! Why complain about the error if it doesn't really matter? It is fascinating and amusing to see how you betray yourself with your contradictions. LOOOOOL!"
You brought up the technical error DUMB IDIOT !
Keep lying and I will continue to catch you for it !
You are an lame idiot, who thinks just mentally insane people believes everybody else is insane apart from her.
You have very unicellular view of the FL character and believe its grey or white but LR character has alot of depth, even in previous life she fought ML 24/7 and even in presence of their play-toy. She still focused all her obsession on ML and with the amount of crazy power in her hand at the end of her life, with nobel families support behind her back she didn't requested divorce from her brother.
Common people/nobels can't divorce imperials but and if ML requested divorce, he will surely die but she had full power to do it but she didn't?
Do you know why cuz her character is very deep and all her actions against ML in previous life were to spite ML, she not only loved him but was obsessed with her to the degree...even when knew ML killed her she cried !
You can like and have your favourite sex toy (SQR) but you can't love your sex toy and when she knew about his death, her actions and acting was bit lacking. You think she is cold hearted woman, who don't care and hence her actions made sense,
but in rain scene when ML said, he is leaving, you saw glimpse of her crazy obsession but when she heard ML died....her acting kinda slumped and its perfectly Okay! She is young and emerging actress, who can't be compared to Wu Jinyan.
The point I am trying to make here is....you thinks she don't care but infact she cares bit too much and wants to correct the world to avoid their death.