LFL is starting to annoy me. He interrogates those kids in inappropriate settings and going into someone's room…
Yes it's such a load of bullshit how LFL is pretending to carry out the most scrupulous investigation, while everyone else's disgusting, corrupt behaviour is conveniently overlooked. He doesn't seem to see what's driving him, or his own delusional motives.
I've just rated it 10!! I think ML (ZXC) acting is amazing, I'm a big fan of that controlled type of acting where the feeling/response is all in the face, subtle and controlled. As opposed to the girl who likes him, who's acting is a bit sub par, and also Qing Li who is batshit crazy, unhinged, unfortunately for the actress, I guess she's gotta do as she's directed but the character is way too hysterical. I also don't get why she hasn't been arrested for burning the car with the psycho glasses guy, and is still nursing away, despite obviously strung out on the job. I think detective LFL is deluding himself. He's convinced himself he's fighting for justice, however I don't think he's free from the fact that he loved NY, and totally let her down. Hence his walking out of the office 'for a 10 minute break'. He must be beyond horrified to hear of her life, the factory, her family, the rape, her abuse over years at the hands of XY. Knowing that, why would he not give her the possibility of living a new life, now freed of her psycho husband. Is he in fact somewhat jealous of ZL, and can't bring that motive to consciousness, pretending he's just trying to solve the case perfectly, without ignoring any evidence. Just a point, how can he just walk into ZL's room and rifle around his personal possessions, it's totally unprofessional. I think it's probably a good thing that he is no longer on the case.
It's a wonderful story where everyone's motives are clouded, although they can't see it. Qing li's pumpkin seed chewing father obviously is biased in the same way as LFL is.Probably the most heinous, horrific character of all is NY's step mother. Doing every diabolical thing, to protect her rapist son, justifying every action in her own mind, the glasses guy is horrendous, just fixated on ZL, lashing out in every direction without reason. The list goes on and on. The complexity of the story, the hysteria, the unconscious misplaced hatred, the bigotry is so well done.
The character of NY is incredible. IRL I don't think anyone could withstand her experiences, and stay as sane and reflective as she is. The whole township is projecting their own misery and jealousy onto her as a target. The classic witch-hunt, She's a wonderful character, and I feel that Tong Yao is doing a fantastic job of understanding the complexity of NY, her life, her courage and dignity, her creativity, the degree of abuse she has suffered.
I suppose as a viewer I only hope she ends up happier and safe with Wan Wan, and of course with ZL, the only person who actually gives a damn about her.
Thank goodness I did not have to hear anymore sunflowers seeds being cracked. LOL! The wailing of Qingli was way…
I also put it on mute while he ate those pumpkin seeds, why they (editor, director) found it vital to turn up the volume on that who can fathom?? Is his effort to overcome a nicotine addiction that important to the story ?? I also FF'd when he was eating, however he's improved a bit in later eps!!
Rachel sent Arin home alone (the airline's unaccompanied minor service) and then posted the details including…
Exactly...and yet another trauma of SJW's making, the arrival of her precious daughter about as stupidly organised as possible, let's add to that....go to the abandoned factory where KYJ has murdered her husband, in fact they both drive there, all the way there for a 5 minute meeting, of course SJW is totally unprotected, naturally, shows all her cards ie the video, instead of going to the police, to a totally unhinged psychotic murderer, and then want to "give her a chance"??? OMG maybe this is an AI script....however I still think the acting is great, and I'm planning to watch ep 16, it can't get much worse.
Korea seems to be a strange paradox of ultra chaste and conservative on the surface, with an underground covert world where there is prostitution, drugs and crime. So although some of the sex culture these guys come across is depicted as OTT and distasteful it seems to exist on some level in SK as well. Although SSK and SDY appear interested, curious and polite it is clear they are often feeling awkward and disconnected. Having said that, it's not only Koreans that would be somewhat shocked at seeing prostitutes in a window, a live sex show, or meeting polyamorous couples etc etc. I think the average person in whatever country does not come across this stuff on a daily basis, I personally found the sex act thing pretty unappealing and gratuitous, more athletic than erotic. I found myself FF ing most of the show, and then dropping it. I"m also not convinced that most of Holland and Germany is quite as out there as this show would depict. No doubt this culture exists but I think it's somewhat misrepresented. Would Koreans think this is an accurate depiction of the way Dutch and Germans live?? Holland is to be commended for its very forward thinking legislation eg legalising prostitution, gay marriage and so forth. It has an amazing social welfare system. I think in that respect SK could take heed. I imagine this extreme view of the sex culture in Germany and Holland is good for ratings, but I could foresee KNets being pretty turned off, and lauding their own somewhat hypocritical system even more.
I think this drama is cute etc. well acted. Only thing I don't understand is why the leads are acting like awkward, chaste people out of a convent, regarding their relationship, when they are in their 30's, and fully experienced, professional doctors. I realise NHN is not very experienced in relationships etc. but their silly self-conscious 8 year old behaviour is irritating to me I also wish the brother would JUST get a job and stop being such a bludger, I know this is done for comedy, like the mother's behaviour, but it's just repetitive and stupid. Otherwise it's an ok drama.
This is an incredibly over the top makjang drama, full of ridiculous plot holes, a bit circular and repetitive etc etc. but I think it's great, super dramatic, fantastic acting by everyone. Jang Nara is really amazing, and the way So Yi Hyun is portraying KYJ as so diabolically evil, viewers are getting seriously upset. Just a testament to her acting skills. I seem to be the only one enjoying it, I must admit only to FFing the intense weeping scenes, but otherwise I'm looking forward to see how the writers wrap it up.
Soooooo good to see normal people in a Kdrama. I sometimes wonder if they really exist in SK, there seem to be such insanely high standards to live up to in every respect. It was great to see two people struggling with real, gritty issues - money, happiness, sex life, trust, relationships. I thought it was funny, clever, a bit surreal. I love these actors, brilliant uninhibited and brave performances. So great to see a relaxed portrayal of gay relationships, having a joint, infidelity. From my POV the infidelity in most of these relationships was understandable, loved the couple with the toupees. I loved every minute of it. I think the ending is open ended and totally plausible.
I think it's possible that the dead body is HSY twin, and that HSY is plotting something behind the scenes. The autopsy could have been falsified. There are enough psycho/traumatic events to seriously destroy anyone's mind, surprised that SJW is still functioning, albeit from an institution now. But then again it's a Kdrama lol. I'm finding this show extremely intense, and disturbing, but very addictive. If HSY really has been killed, FL's father is a possible candidate. Just throwing this in...I originally thought the Te Oh character was really interesting, but I'm finding him a bit repetitive, somehow he's going nowhere, except for saving FL every five minutes with a blind dedication. Maybe he's in cahoots with HSY and they've planned something together.
I find my self saying "whaaaat??" every so often, I simply don't really get the plot yet, except for the obvious, stuff. Gambling psycho mother, killed by doting father. Best friend out to crucify JW, for having been raped by her partner., loses baby and wants revenge.. JW spending her life keeping her illness a secret, now has multiple personality disorder as well as bipolar. We have a potential fake psychiatrist giving simplistic advice. Private detective screwing everyone over for the most amount of money. TeOh being hyper protective and obviously in love with JW, but with the big secret. BSG is still in a coma, knows most of the story. And that's not all of it. However, I'm dying to know the ending, and how the writers bring it all together. lol
Anyone thinking about therapist here, FL secens with the her seems to delusional, like something from a memory.…
Had the same thought, when FL arrived in what seemed PJ's. Like she's imagining those sessions. Which also raises questions about the drugs FL is taking.
Just a couple of comments, firstly still can't believe how JWS is acting, it's phenomenal. I hope he gets some award for this role. In terms of how he looks, which people are commenting on here and there, he's very attractive etc etc but the character he is portraying is a laid back artist not very fussed with suits and cutting edge fashion. In this drama he's a guy who's been through very tough experiences, and JWS is playing him as such, somewhat weathered by life. The camera angles are not necessarily the most flattering. In most current dramas where looks are dominant, the actors are coiffed to the nth degree, makeup, hair, clothes, filmed with special lenses, after every take they are touched up with precision. I suppose that is the nature of the attraction of some of those dramas, it's a looks/fantasy thing, the unattainable perfect beauty, escape universe, but this drama is not about that. It's about 2 actually very attractive people, who are navigating a pretty complex relationship, in a realistic sense, not in a make believe artificial celeb type of world. It's kind of refreshing really. From my perspective, I get the difficulty all of the characters are feeling. I don't feel very judgemental, maybe except for SSK being so exceptionally manipulative. It's a slow, melancholy kind of drama, and the CJW character really has to put up with so much crap. The drama when the neighbours thought he had taken the little kid. What happened in his past, abandoned by his mum, feeling guilty that he didn't save SSK from the fire. Having his great love desert him. The reaction of Mo eun's parents. When he sat in the bar with his friend and asked 'have you ever want to run away from me...' was really reflective of how he feels about himself on some level. From a viewer perspective, I'm hoping of course that they have a happy ending, and get over themselves, not really sure though, it's looking a bit grim lol.
Compared to other dramas I'm watching, JWS acting is on another level. It's really rare atm to find anyone that committed to the role, with so little ego involvement. It's amazing to be that emotive, and convey so much with absolutely nothing vocal, only his face, his body language, the signing and the written word. I get that she's suddenly aware of the limitations of that relationship, no music, no laughter you can hear, no banter, no listening to nature, and so on. He's such a humble character, it's sad to watch. At least his art is taking off, and her career is happening. He has his kids to teach, he's healing himself in that lovely confrontation with his younger self. I'm still hoping for a happy ending lol.
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I think detective LFL is deluding himself. He's convinced himself he's fighting for justice, however I don't think he's free from the fact that he loved NY, and totally let her down. Hence his walking out of the office 'for a 10 minute break'. He must be beyond horrified to hear of her life, the factory, her family, the rape, her abuse over years at the hands of XY. Knowing that, why would he not give her the possibility of living a new life, now freed of her psycho husband. Is he in fact somewhat jealous of ZL, and can't bring that motive to consciousness, pretending he's just trying to solve the case perfectly, without ignoring any evidence. Just a point, how can he just walk into ZL's room and rifle around his personal possessions, it's totally unprofessional. I think it's probably a good thing that he is no longer on the case.
It's a wonderful story where everyone's motives are clouded, although they can't see it. Qing li's pumpkin seed chewing father obviously is biased in the same way as LFL is.Probably the most heinous, horrific character of all is NY's step mother. Doing every diabolical thing, to protect her rapist son, justifying every action in her own mind, the glasses guy is horrendous, just fixated on ZL, lashing out in every direction without reason. The list goes on and on. The complexity of the story, the hysteria, the unconscious misplaced hatred, the bigotry is so well done.
The character of NY is incredible. IRL I don't think anyone could withstand her experiences, and stay as sane and reflective as she is. The whole township is projecting their own misery and jealousy onto her as a target. The classic witch-hunt, She's a wonderful character, and I feel that Tong Yao is doing a fantastic job of understanding the complexity of NY, her life, her courage and dignity, her creativity, the degree of abuse she has suffered.
I suppose as a viewer I only hope she ends up happier and safe with Wan Wan, and of course with ZL, the only person who actually gives a damn about her.
I loved every minute of it. I think the ending is open ended and totally plausible.
This should lighten things up a bit...
From my perspective, I get the difficulty all of the characters are feeling. I don't feel very judgemental, maybe except for SSK being so exceptionally manipulative. It's a slow, melancholy kind of drama, and the CJW character really has to put up with so much crap. The drama when the neighbours thought he had taken the little kid. What happened in his past, abandoned by his mum, feeling guilty that he didn't save SSK from the fire. Having his great love desert him. The reaction of Mo eun's parents. When he sat in the bar with his friend and asked 'have you ever want to run away from me...' was really reflective of how he feels about himself on some level.
From a viewer perspective, I'm hoping of course that they have a happy ending, and get over themselves, not really sure though, it's looking a bit grim lol.
I get that she's suddenly aware of the limitations of that relationship, no music, no laughter you can hear, no banter, no listening to nature, and so on. He's such a humble character, it's sad to watch. At least his art is taking off, and her career is happening. He has his kids to teach, he's healing himself in that lovely confrontation with his younger self. I'm still hoping for a happy ending lol.