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@Mccuish Agreed entirely about Min Gwi and Bit Na’s relationship just starting to get good. Of course, I certainly am not covering up for the actions of Min Gwi and my heart seriously goes out to the victim. Sexual allegation cases are no laughing matter , so it is understandable why the drama will probably cut screen time surrounding Min Gwi scenes. The biggest problem (for us as viewers and disregarding controversy for a moment) with three quintessential episodes left, is how this will impact Bit Na’s character arc. Filming seems to have already been completed, so unless their production editors are really meticulous or they reshoot Bit Na’s scenes ( which is unlikely with filming and production schedules of episodes ), her subplot is probably going to be a bit disregarded.

One of the things which has intrigued a lot of viewers around ‘ Nevertheless’ is that it is a lot less “ sugary sweet” than other K-drama relationships. The “relationship” between Nabi( the FL) and Jae Eon ( the ML) is more of a “ fling”- there is sexual intimacy between the two characters, as well as serious toxicity at times also. ( This is reflected by the relationship between side characters as well.) Admittedly the latest episodes of the drama have stirred some mixed reception with the romantic lighting upon JE as well as debate over the ending. So in short, ‘ Nevertheless’ is a little more “ out-there” than regular relationships shown in K-dramas.

It is hard to tell at this moment in time. Whilst the drama was pretty close to its source material in early episodes, it had diverged a lot in more recent episodes with certain subplots and setups. We are more than 60% through the storyline and evidently there seems to be a lot of mixed responses towards where the drama is going. Speaking personally, my guess is that they will going down three possible routes;
Option A- Following certain events of the webcomic- Nabi doesn’t end up with Jae Eon but rather either her original ending pairing ( the childhood friend) or possibly DH in the drama , and laments over her rollercoaster relationships with JE.
Option B- Straying entirely from the webcomic- A lot of watchers seem to be split between A and B with the current romantic light on JE. This option would suggest the drama does an entire 180 and Nabi ends up with JE as he’s given the seeming “ moral redemption” ending. There’s evidently a lot of mixed responses if the drama would go down to this route.
Option C- The Unexpected One- Unlikely, but weirder things have happened with webcomic to drama adaptations. ‘ Cheese In The Trap’ pulled this ending as the webcomic was ongoing with the drama’s finale and delivered a lot of mixed reception and criticism by viewers. This option would suggest Nabi ends up with no one and instead may lament over her past relationships.

It will certainly be interesting to see which option the drama takes!

Ah, that’s fine! There’s no need to apologise. If this a drama that you like watching , then that’s all that matters 😄.

Ah ,okay, Thanks for the advice. If I’m honest, I actually really liked the genre fusion. It added a really cool take on cliches. For me it was the characters. However, maybe I was being a little too harsh and you can warm up to them in later episodes. I’ll definitely give it another shot and see how it goes :).

Curious to see how this one goes. An intriguing plot and a good cast lineup, but one episode a week is definitely going to be annoying...

This definitely sounds interesting. ( I have to give it to J-dramas, there is always something new to explore with topics and storylines :D.)

For those uncertain on whether to pick up this drama so far or not from the rating, my biggest advice is just to give it a go. I will be honest in saying personally I have my own qualms a little with the screenwriting already, but everyone's tastes differ. You may love this one and keep watching it, or you may just switch off. You never know unless you try ;)!

This does sound pretty intriguing. Whilst I hate to compare, I just hope that this isn't going to be another classic case of a drama omnibus with ''horror'' themes such as Goedam which tried to make it scary, but was really just a big collection of slasher horror. Oh, well. We will just have to wait and see... ( Fingers crossed it will be worth it! ;D)

Can anyone tell me whether the plot gets better? I tried watching the first few episodes when they were first released but grew a bit bored. I know we are not far into the plot, but I am conflicted whether to give it a second chance or not...

I am curious to see the direction of this one. There a lot of things that I love about this drama, but at the same time there is a lot of murky uncertainty towards where the plot is going. Oh, well. I guess we will have to wait and see...

Jae Eon is manipulative. His nuanced controlling behaviour over Nabi’s hairstyle, suddenly appearing seemingly in her “ time of need” ( likely stalking her or something more) , constantly suggesting times for them to meet up when it’s okay for him rather than vice versa, cutting her off from his phone call in order to make her lust over him more and easily leading on Nabi by “ cutesy and boyfriend ” actions ( the points you mentioned earlier such as the gifts, teaching her to dance and metalwork) typically indicating signs of devotion to a monogamous relationship, whilst even Nabi and the audience know he’s sleeping around. Well, you’re argument here is probably going to be; “ But It’s Nabi’s fault for interpreting this as romantic which clearly they are in a casual sexual relationship”. To an extent, yes. However, that is the point of the drama and where conflicts arise; Nabi likes the freedom of a “ casual sexual relationship” , but she wants something more. She has been in committed relationships beforehand and knows it is unrealistic to expect a fairy tale ending with Jae Eon but he purposefully makes her heart flutter. What Nabi probably doesn’t realise yet is that Jae Eon gets a thrill out of toying by playing mind games and the role of the “ sweet Romeo” with girls only to push it on them as “ clingy”. He’s already tried this tactic with Nabi by ghosting her . We saw this indication with a past lover in the cafe, who seemed to speak to Jae Eon in a sweet manner as though expecting this behaviour to be reciprocated, and genuinely seemed fazed when he didn’t do the same. Additionally whilst it wasn’t right for the Male classmates outside of the window whilst Nabi was listening in to drag Nabi down, they did seem to be unfazed that Nabi was Jae Eon’s “ target”, suggesting this has happened before with other girls around campus. Jae Eon swoons them, they fall in love with them and then he plays them like a yo-yo and disregards them when the next best thing comes along. In question to your point about the whole ‘ Sometimes both lovers can be married to different people and still enjoy having sex with one another’ that’s a whole tonne of moral ethics coming into question. I’m not going to blank it over black or white as “ wrong” because there are multiple reasons why individuals have affairs or find themselves in positions like Nabi as casual lovers, but at the end of the day this type of relationship rarely lasts or is healthy on the individuals or bonds in long-term relationships causing marriages to break down, spark distrust amongst married partners, psychological trauma upon partners and possibly children caught in the middle and divorces. If you can only equate who Nabi should keep between other potential love interests ( such as the noodle guy) because ‘ they’re good in bed’ then I truly feel sorry for you. As the previous comment @DramaFreak mentioned, this isn’t to implicate an innocent school girl ideology, but a committed relationship is a lot more than sexual contact; it’s emotional, being able to click with someone over their personality, interests and tastes as well as being able to feel comfortable and trust them. Nabi needs this more than ever in her life now, and it is doubtful that Jae Eon is the answer. Well, that crosses some interesting boundaries if they are just ‘ f-buddies’ , doesn’t it ;)!?

I always find that a really bad excuse with character writing. A short story can still establish better character writing than a 12/16 episode drama but why? The biggest factor is focalisation. The storyline in the drama wanted to convey more profound messages and throw in as many subplots with characters as possible, but it was too heavily dominated by the romance factor leading to a lot of characters ( such as Young Ran,So Bin, Chan Ki , Mi Joo and even Soo Hyun with his backstory ) being wasted onscreen. I agree one of the highlights of the drama was So Bin, Young Ran and Mi Joo’s interactions from roommates to friends. It’s just a shame that we didn’t get to see more development with their friendship, or a sense of these female characters feeling as though they could rely upon one another through thick or thin. For me So Bin’s “ crush” was a classic case and point example of the screenwriter wanting to throw in a spanner in the works for tension, and then disregarding it when it was no longer necessary for the storyline. Let’s be honest. If you had a life-long crush on your best friend and you felt conflicted by someone new in your life, you’d probably struggle between both for longer than So Bin, or respectfully step away from them and maybe try to start things slow again or maintain a platonic friendship with them until they ( including So Bin and the male leads) are entirely sure on how they feel . I respect that the series did give So Bin some time away from both Joon and Chan Ki, but it was a sad writing excuse to allow this as a quick fix/excuse for her childhood feelings to be dismissed for” getting together” with Joon.

For me the biggest issue with the direction of the storyline wasn’t so much subverting side characters into mains or even pairing up Joon with So Bin as a plot premise, but rather the lacking dynamic atmosphere this had in comparison to these fairly platonic relationships in the webcomic . Controversies aside from the problems with Soo Hyun, Soo Bin and Joon’s relationships is arguably one of the most lacklustre that I’ve seen in recent years of K-dramas. Don’t get me wrong. It wasn’t the case that actors Park Ji-Hoon and Kang Min Ah had terrible onscreen chemistry. Kang Min Ah is a brilliant actress and she certainly helped to convey sweeter moments between their onscreen personas ( one of the loveliest scenes of the drama being when So Bin gave Yeo Joon a hyacinth). However, the plot often seemed to struggle with conveying a symbiotic and mutually respectful relationship between these two characters with Yeo Joon (in early episodes) manipulating So Bin’s feelings, and then So Bin happily going out with someone who infringed upon her self-respect . Aside from diverging from the original webcomic , the pairing between these main leads was similar to So Bin merely acting as an emotional band aid for Joon’s emotional wounds; quick to slap on top in order to make their relationship seem “ soulful”, yet often resulting in a one-sided investment of only So Bin hearing out Joon . I guess whilst it is understandable that Joon needed some respectful boundaries with So Bin ( and vice versa), it provided a sense of distrust within their relationship by Joon often considering Soo Hyun ( Baek In Hyuk) more as a “trusted” confidant than So Bin throughout the drama. As some drama watchers have pointed out this relationship formula is pretty reminiscent of older dramas from 10 years ago+ , where the female lead was seen as the “ emotional healer” for the “ problematic” male lead and everything would be hunky dory by the male lead learning to be a “ better person” ( rather than owning up to his flaws) through love . In comparison to the more “ symbiotically respectful” relationships we are seeing in modern dramas, this does feel a bit outdated. This problem seemed to also manifest with writing and allowing other female characters in the show to be developed well sans romantic pairings and unrequited feelings . Whilst it was a slight glimpse of hope that Mi Joo did not go down the route of “ female animosity” towards Young Ran because of her feelings to Soo Hyun, it was sad that this is all her character equated to; an obsessive fan girl, who had no backstory or life outside of her necessity for the storyline, and was disregarded the moment she was no longer a necessary part of the plot. ( A sad turn of events, really.)Admittedly I’m glad that they didn’t go down the possible route of Young Ran x Soo Hyun. Controversies with sexuality aside, it would’ve have been equally awkward to have seen two life-long friends (who are practically siblings) end up together also. As a character, Young Ran felt probably one of the few well-written women in this drama but her lacking screen time and the ending didn’t really smooth out her evident blank spaces either.

The drama could really do with a sequel season already to explore more of the storylines, but it is unlikely to happen as South-Korean dramas rarely get sequel seasons. ( Unless the show has really flourished with viewer ratings or mainstream popularity .)

If you want something similar with youth dramas consider works such as Hello My Twenties, Weightlifting Fairy Kim Bok Joo , Reply series, School series, Cheese in the Trap, My ID is Gangnam Beauty, Heartstrings, Go Back Couple or When My Love Blooms. If you’re looking for slice of life/ darker storylines about youth culture then definitely consider productions such as SKY Castle, Misaeng or When The Weather Is Fine. There’s evidently a lot more out there which I’m sure more users will come up with, but these are the main ones which came to mind. ( Hope it helps :)).

Funnily enough I’ve also been in this comment section and complained about the romance too? Lol. I hated to be “ that” person bu surprisingly your not the only one who is in this “ minority”.

KBS have always been a very conservative channel- even if you’re claim is that it is only focusing on the “ first-half”, a lot of critical comments are right to point that this also feels very much on purpose to ” overlook” his sexuality. It is unlikely there would ever be a second season for this show. The viewer ratings in Korea have been pretty poor, and for a drama to get a sequel season it usually has to be a good investment of production value and worth viewer ratings. If you read my comment properly, I never specified Soo Hyun was straight - just that his sexuality was subverted and repressed( a bit of a difference there). Trust me when I say that I’m pretty up to date with reading it, so I know but before critiquing on my view please bother to actually read what I’m saying and also before providing your own knowledge other people’s comments, do so when you’re actually up to date with everyone else :).

@Annick In the webcomic ( the original storyline) Soo Hyun is revealed to be gay later down the line . Evidently this is not a BL ( as this pairing is not with Yeo Joon so far), but a LGBTQ+ character representation. In the drama, they cut this out completely and subverted Soo Hyun sexuality entirely, as well as putting otherwise irrelevant side characters ( So Bin and Mi Joo who were not romantically involved with either main character) from the comic in order to “ diffuse more provocative suggestions”. You may have not really been in the comment section a lot earlier into the drama, but this is one of the reasons watchers have been really irked by the storyline. As a standalone piece, the drama is fixated on romance and friendship, whereas the comic is more focal upon not just the friendship between Soo Hyun and Joon , but darker themes to Joon’s backstory and Soo Hyun’s journey into a same-sex relationship.KBS has always had a bit of a rep, but sexuality repression in an era where more positive representation in media and popular culture ( as a gradual sign of progress) is being seen for gay rights in South Korea, is a major red flag for some watchers.

There’s a difference between putting aside “ differences” as a sign of maturity, and then dealing with individuals who cause nothing more than trouble for everyone else. Whilst I appreciate that the drama has shown us some “ issues” Yeo Joon and So Bin have with not trying to rock the boat, there could have been multiple opportunities for even Soo Hyun or one of So Bin’s roommates to have put in a word of caution or reported those students to the board. It is just beyond ridiculous that these students ( especially after the video) haven’t faced more severe punishment for their actions just so they can add more “ tension” to the storyline.