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Wish there were more Mondays in a week...

Hard to say, as all we have are a few glimpses from ep. 4 previews. Aran/Arun (not sure which version of his name is correct) will try to find the necklace, maybe replace it with a fake to hide the theft from Boss, and will - sooner or later - bump into Tattoo; not sure whether Hope or Jack will have anything to do with it. The only ones who can link Tattoo to the necklace are Hoy, Joke and the pawn shop owner - only the latter seems like someone who could actually get in touch with Boss and spill the tea.

Fully agreed. And they wasted him in "My Love Mix-Up!"; he deserved better.

Don't think they've exited the show or are about to do it. A short clip used in the official trailer shows Hoy and Tattoo (with Aran next to him) giving a surprise welcome to grandma (flanked by Jack and Joker) at her home. Given where all those characters are now this is probably set much later in the show.

BTW: I am a little surprised people say "Jack and Joker" isn't dark or gritty. I'd say it's very gritty - looking at home and living conditions of Jack, Tattoo and Hoy (as well as their neighbourhood), which are in stark contrast to homes and apartments usually seen in BLs: big (or at least spacious), clean, full of light, well furnished and located either in city centres or suburbs. Joke's family may be considered middle class, but Jack, Tattoo, Hoy and basically all debtors of Boss are poor or even below that and have to fight for survival - becoming victims of loan sharks and their henchmen. If that's not dark enough, how about this: in ep. 3 Jack's grandmother calls him to ask when he'll be coming home. He replies that he's still at work. We know what his work is about, but this time while we see him having this conversation with his granny we also see Hope scolding and beating up his subordinates - that's what kind of job Jack has. Regardless what Jack thinks of this situation or how the audience perceives this scene (scumbag grunts getting beaten up by a higher-level scumbag), the juxtaposition of that seemingly normal, business-as-usual type conversation, Jack's calm demeanor and what's going on right in front of him - that's dark.

I guess people have their reasons to dislike a show, feel disappointed by a show and rate a show lower than others. When someone says they expected "Jack and Joker" to be darker and more serious than they perceive it is - it can't really be hepled, as it's all about their expectations and perceptions. If they feel mislead, if they consider the show to be mislabled etc., but you don't agree with that - that doesn't really change anything, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
That being said I do agree with a lot what you (but also Pincolino) wrote about trailers and MDL tags. The "actual romance with a plot, not plot with with romance sided in the back" part of your comment is something I agree with wholeheartedly, as I have expressed the very same attitude about various BLs I've watched over the years. BLs are first and foremost about romance, that's what the story should be about - and not about the setting of the romance. This does not change the fact that other viewers might (for whatever reason) expect a particular show to be about something else, to have a different tone etc.

MDL rating is all about enjoyment: you like the show - you give it a high rating; you dislike it - you give it a low rating or don't rate it. Reasons for those ratings - like the reasons for enjoying or disliking the show - are individual and subjective. There is no correct answer and you can't be right nor wrong about it (same for other people rating the show), as all you follow is your feeling, your own, very personal preference and reception. There's really no point getting upset that other people rated the show differently or that the MDL rating is different than your own (I gave "Jack and Joker" a rating of 9.0 and wasn't worried about the initial low MDL rating - nor am I worried about the current rating, which is still lower than what I gave the show) - your rating is the only one that matters.

P.S. No idea how long the cut versions are, but here's the length of uncut episodes for reference:
- ep. 1 - 1:16:11
- ep. 2 - 0:56:56
- ep. 3 - 1:09:52

Uncut versions of ep. 1 (1080p) and 2 (at least 720p) with English subs are available on Dailymotion. No idea how quickly ep. 3 (uncut) will be there too, as it aired less 3 hours ago on iQIYI.
BTW: I already can't wait to see ep. 4 - the previews hints at more good YinWar chemistry.

For more YinWar shenanigans you might want to watch the "Katanyu Tonight" (it's a talk show) episode from 11.09.2024; it's available on YT with English subs. Part 1 is about 40 minutes of YinWar craziness. War is unleashed pretty much immediately, which leads to Yin asking the host "You think this is the annoying version? When he drinks, it'll be worse than this".
Noteworthy YinWar content include "E.M.S. EarthMix Space" ep. 17 from 20.05.2022, available on GMMTV's YT channel with English subs, where EarthMix "clash" with YinWar. I love them four sitting at a table in a cafe somewhere in Bangkok and just talking about work - despite the jokes and banter you can feel the mutual respect.

It seems that so far only the song "แค่ยัง…(มีเธอ)" ('As Long As I Have You') by Tattoo Colour (which can be heard during the end credits) was released - by YWPB Records. There is another song mentioned in the end credits - one by Dome Jaruwat Cheawaram; end credits indicate that tis has lyrics, so it's not the opening theme, which seems to be an instrumental track. It's also possible that the opening theme is an instrumental remix of a song (GMMTV did something like this with Nanon's "Our Song" from "Bad Buddy" - a heavily altered, but still recognizable version of that song was used during opening credits for that show).

Initially (once ep. 1 aired) there was fuss about a rather low rating - which is something MDL seems to be doing quite often with new shows. Now that we're 2 episodes into the series, there's more content to critique (or, dare I say - in some cases - nitpick) and the rating went up, we got more fuss - that the rating is to high.

Maybe try watching other stuff with War, like vids on his YT channel, to get accustomed to his voice? The long-running "Warcraft" series on his channel, spanning 40 episodes of War doing various activities, includes episodes with Yin (like ep. 2 and 23). It's good fun.

8.7? Fully deserved. YinWar carry this show and it's fire.

Mimicat pretty much nailed it: Jack feels that Joker robbed him of his hope. It’s also possible that Jack believes that Joker did that on purpose – which doesn’t really make sense, but it’s a neat explanation of how strong Jack’s anger is. Notice that Jack displayed a similar reaction before: to his coach, when Carbon was chosen to join the national team. Jack understood why jury members chose Carbon over him and how conflicted his coach was, but he still said “you need to understand me too if from now on I start hating you”. Jack is perfectly relatable in how he separates the rational from the emotional; he understands why and how things happen, but it doesn’t prevent him from reacting emotionally to setbacks. Or holding a grudge against Joker. BTW: why is Joker so bent on Jack forgiving him? He took the responsibility for his crime and had no hand in Jack getting in debt with Boss in the first place. I’d say Joker feels the same thing Jack does – only reversed: Jack blames Joker, Joker feels guilty. Both are wrong from a rational point of view, but without this there would be no beginning of the story, no obstacle for them to remove/overcome to – eventually – be together. Hell, this’ll be one crazy ride.

There's obviously something wrong when the BTS stuff is only 4:09 long, which is shorter than the MV for Kidnap's OST ("From Now On"; 4:16) and only a minute longer than both the initial and the official trailer.
On the other hand there might be a mundane explanation for the length of the BTS, like that they didn't record anything super interesting behind the scenes while filming ep. 1 (or they didn't bother to collect any interesting BTS footage).

GMMTV's BTS vary o lot depending on the show: some are pretty revealing, some are long, and there are those short and not that interesting. No idea if there's a plan or rule for making BTS - but I guess there should be, as GMMTV is using this as additional content (at least on YT). Also, I noticed that some shows get more attention during their production, with BTS and mini interviews with cast and crew released during GMMTV Live House.

Fully agreed - it's entertainment. Not a documentary and not art either.

All of the sudden Monday became best day of the week.
#ThisMeansWar

War is brilliant in this. The gift basket scene and the dogcoin bit were priceless, I couldn't stop laughing. And each time Yin and War are together on screen, it's magic.