Knot and dare you to death are pretty terrible. But what's wrong with love of silom?I think the trafficking part…
idk I had to drop it after episode 2 or 3. i just can't stand these kinds of over the top "funny" scenes. alone in the first episode, the dildo and the open mouth scene gave me the rest.. if I wanted to see something like that I'd opt for a commedy show. some the dialogues also felt too cringy to me and the main characters were way too stereotypical. especially the "innocent good guy, misstreated by the universe" trope, isn't what I wanna see in a show with a more serious story. I just saw that it has pretty good ratings, so maybe it gets better towards the end. I might pick it up again at some point. In comparison, the prosecutor's proposal hit the vibe I was looking for. it had some funny moments, but more through implication than through dialogue or action. and only at times where it didn't interfere with the serious undertone.
For those who read the manhua vers, is this one aligned with the manhua, like how many percent would u say?? Thannkkss..
it's pretty faithful for the most part. I'd say like 80%? ofc some changes had to be made or it wouldn't work as a show. but they didn't change the plot at all and a lot of the key scenes are almost identical with the manhwa. Min and Toptop also managed to capture their characters incredibly well. I'd say Jay is maybe slightly more affectionate in the show, but still true to his character. I think the major difference is hat some of the support characters got a lot more depth and actual story, but in a way that complements the story super well and I appreciated it a lot. naturally it's less smut (I think they cut out 1 scene from the manhwa and ofc the others are a bit toned down). the setting in Thailand is also a slightly different vibe than korea, but I think it worked out well.
Exactly. I never understood how Jay fell for him, he was forceful from the start and I was confused about whether…
**I think** I remember from the manhwa, that jay also had trouble feeling emotions, especially sadness. and when sun cried during that ONS it affected him for the first time and left a lasting impression on him. that's why he asked to repeat it. but sun's gesture with the money infuriated him. and that's how he became obsessed with finding him. iirc, in the manhwa it is also more about obsession/desire (jay) and revenge (sun) for the better part of the story and less about falling in love with each other. I think it takes almost til the bonus chapters when sun is able to leave his emotional baggage behind and allows himself to actually fall for jay. Jay is defo more affectionate and lovey dovey in she show, whereas in the manhwa he is a lot more pushy and shameless. it's been a while since I read it though, so I might not remember it 100% correctly.
i watch the pilot 5x a day in hopes they’ll release this sooner
it has me in a chokehold, ngl. but knot pilot had that effect on me as well and we all know how that ended. praying that this one will not end in disappointed 🙏
if this is another clickbait that presents itself with a serious/dark/mystery/high stakes trailer but ends up with a shit ton of this poorly written commedy scenes in the finished show, I'm gonna loose my mind.
looking at you, dare you to death, love of silom and knot
WOW! I’m just gonna say it… I hope Toptap and Min stay acting partners. Their chemistry is so good!
it's crazy how well they fit the characters. especially Min captured the role perfectly. I was honestly surprised that none of them had any major acting experience so far. toptap hasn't been part of a single show or movie according to MDL. and then they nailed it as main roles in a show that was executed so well overall. I'm curious what other kinds of characters and dynamics they could act out
yea I remember being a bit disappointed with that as well when I read it, after all the build up. but the manhwa had a few more extra chapters afterwards which got me over it quickly 😌
Excuse me, being a porn actor isn’t something to be ashamed of. It’s not a punishment. Why is this series…
it's not the fact that he is a porn actor. it's the conditions under which he is being a porn actor. he is clearly not doing it in an even remotely safe environment and not okay with the situation. furthermore, he previously only ever sold out his trainee colleagues to those investors, but has seemingly always avoided the abuse himself, as if he was "too good" for being put into an ungraceful situation. also, remember he wasn't in debt when he lost his job at dream (unlike in the manhwa). he was just unemployed. indicating that he desperately clung onto his life in fame and fortune instead of admitting to himself that he lost pretty much everything and needs to adapt to the situation. so for me, the tragic of the situation is that he is unable to recognise the situation for what it is and walk away from it. he fails to reflect upon himself and cant let go of the obsession with his own relevance. now compare it with sun. he also used to be in a position of power over others in his days as a depth collector. but when shit hit the fan for him, he was humbled real quick and asked himself if it was the result of his own actions. even though his self reflection ended up in a massive guilt trip for himself, he realised that his previous actions were part of the problem.
Ironically, I imagine sunny's character might have even enjoyed working in that industry, but under his own terms and in safe conditions. perhaps with an onlyfans and an audience that revered him. and I have to agree with others, that his fate was bad but I'd rather seem him in jail.
It was a pretty good adaptation, I could feel they cared about the source material at least BUT the series would…
I didn't read the novel but I read the manhwa around the time it finished. I think it was a great adaptation that was very faithful to the manhwa and I cannot stress enough how perfectly the actors were cast for the characters. (for me personally, only one piece did a better job in in that department.) ofc, they had to do a few changes, since a show needs different things to work well than a manhwa or novel, but I think they all were done in a smart way that rather added to the story than took away from it. most notably, a few of the support characters were developed significantly further for the show, which worked out extremely well imo. I was a bit worried at first, if it's gonna be weird that the show is set in Thailand, whereas the manwha is set in South Korea, but even that worked out well imo. lastly, the production quality is also really good and the pacing arguably even a little better than the manhwa. I'm not a huge sound/music person, so I can't comment much on that. I think that one chello theme was maybe a bit overused. but then again, it fit so well to each scene they used it for, so I can look over it.
half way through and I love how Ju Tae Seon firm on the law and justice when it comes to murder but completely ignores the fact that his bullying and sexual harassment at the workplace are highly problematic and I don't even wanna start about the ethical reasons why one shouldn't sleep with his subordinates xD he isna total baddie but also so full of shit in that regard. I love how complex his character is in that sense.
Let’s face it. Knot is a very different and challenging project, its much darker , mature, serious BL. It’s…
quite the opposite for me. the pilot made me think it was a mature story but the actual show has so many cringe elements, probably for comedic relief or something? furthermore, the script just isn't good at all. it's hard to follow the story, if there is any. scenes seem completely random. and some changes from the pilot make 0 sense, for example the actress who plays the mother could pass for their sister. don't get me wrong, I WANT to like the show. I was super excited for it and the pilot had me in a choke hold for weeks. but the result is objectively not great. people have been craving a show like this, so they are willing to look over its flaws. and honestly, fair enough. but please let's not pretend this show was some kind of masterpiece. I wish the creators wouldn't have rushed production so much and taken more time to work on the script. but instead they saw the hype around the pilot, a hungry audience and a trope with barely any shows to live up to, and decide to not waste a single second.
how is the rating so high? I feel like by all metrics this is not a quality show. I'm gonsta watch the whole thing…
I ate the pilot up but the actual show is disappointing me.. some scenes that they changed are straight up worse than the pilot version or make zero sense. it feels as if the pilot was made by a professional and the show was made by an intern.. Its not terrible, so I still keep watching it. but for me personally, it's definitely a let down in comparison to the pilot.
..and I'm also tired of trailers/pilots catfishing me with the promise a serious mood and a grown up story, and then the actual product is sprinkled all over with cringe comical relief...
I'm 4 episodes in and I love most of the show so far, but I can't stand the FMC 😭 can someone please tell me if she will undergo any significant character development or will she stay this shallow and incompetent til the end? despite everything else, her character alone makes me wanna drop the show entirely atm
some the dialogues also felt too cringy to me and the main characters were way too stereotypical. especially the "innocent good guy, misstreated by the universe" trope, isn't what I wanna see in a show with a more serious story.
I just saw that it has pretty good ratings, so maybe it gets better towards the end. I might pick it up again at some point.
In comparison, the prosecutor's proposal hit the vibe I was looking for. it had some funny moments, but more through implication than through dialogue or action. and only at times where it didn't interfere with the serious undertone.
ofc some changes had to be made or it wouldn't work as a show. but they didn't change the plot at all and a lot of the key scenes are almost identical with the manhwa. Min and Toptop also managed to capture their characters incredibly well. I'd say Jay is maybe slightly more affectionate in the show, but still true to his character.
I think the major difference is hat some of the support characters got a lot more depth and actual story, but in a way that complements the story super well and I appreciated it a lot.
naturally it's less smut (I think they cut out 1 scene from the manhwa and ofc the others are a bit toned down). the setting in Thailand is also a slightly different vibe than korea, but I think it worked out well.
iirc, in the manhwa it is also more about obsession/desire (jay) and revenge (sun) for the better part of the story and less about falling in love with each other. I think it takes almost til the bonus chapters when sun is able to leave his emotional baggage behind and allows himself to actually fall for jay. Jay is defo more affectionate and lovey dovey in she show, whereas in the manhwa he is a lot more pushy and shameless.
it's been a while since I read it though, so I might not remember it 100% correctly.
crazy good actor tho. for me, his performance was actually one of the highlights in payback
but knot pilot had that effect on me as well and we all know how that ended. praying that this one will not end in disappointed 🙏
looking at you, dare you to death, love of silom and knot
I'm curious what other kinds of characters and dynamics they could act out
furthermore, he previously only ever sold out his trainee colleagues to those investors, but has seemingly always avoided the abuse himself, as if he was "too good" for being put into an ungraceful situation. also, remember he wasn't in debt when he lost his job at dream (unlike in the manhwa). he was just unemployed. indicating that he desperately clung onto his life in fame and fortune instead of admitting to himself that he lost pretty much everything and needs to adapt to the situation.
so for me, the tragic of the situation is that he is unable to recognise the situation for what it is and walk away from it. he fails to reflect upon himself and cant let go of the obsession with his own relevance.
now compare it with sun. he also used to be in a position of power over others in his days as a depth collector. but when shit hit the fan for him, he was humbled real quick and asked himself if it was the result of his own actions. even though his self reflection ended up in a massive guilt trip for himself, he realised that his previous actions were part of the problem.
Ironically, I imagine sunny's character might have even enjoyed working in that industry, but under his own terms and in safe conditions. perhaps with an onlyfans and an audience that revered him.
and I have to agree with others, that his fate was bad but I'd rather seem him in jail.
and he also might have repressed the whole memory from back then
I think it was a great adaptation that was very faithful to the manhwa and I cannot stress enough how perfectly the actors were cast for the characters. (for me personally, only one piece did a better job in in that department.)
ofc, they had to do a few changes, since a show needs different things to work well than a manhwa or novel, but I think they all were done in a smart way that rather added to the story than took away from it.
most notably, a few of the support characters were developed significantly further for the show, which worked out extremely well imo.
I was a bit worried at first, if it's gonna be weird that the show is set in Thailand, whereas the manwha is set in South Korea, but even that worked out well imo.
lastly, the production quality is also really good and the pacing arguably even a little better than the manhwa. I'm not a huge sound/music person, so I can't comment much on that. I think that one chello theme was maybe a bit overused. but then again, it fit so well to each scene they used it for, so I can look over it.
he isna total baddie but also so full of shit in that regard. I love how complex his character is in that sense.
furthermore, the script just isn't good at all. it's hard to follow the story, if there is any. scenes seem completely random. and some changes from the pilot make 0 sense, for example the actress who plays the mother could pass for their sister.
don't get me wrong, I WANT to like the show. I was super excited for it and the pilot had me in a choke hold for weeks. but the result is objectively not great.
people have been craving a show like this, so they are willing to look over its flaws. and honestly, fair enough. but please let's not pretend this show was some kind of masterpiece.
I wish the creators wouldn't have rushed production so much and taken more time to work on the script. but instead they saw the hype around the pilot, a hungry audience and a trope with barely any shows to live up to, and decide to not waste a single second.
it feels as if the pilot was made by a professional and the show was made by an intern.. Its not terrible, so I still keep watching it. but for me personally, it's definitely a let down in comparison to the pilot.
..and I'm also tired of trailers/pilots catfishing me with the promise a serious mood and a grown up story, and then the actual product is sprinkled all over with cringe comical relief...
can someone please tell me if she will undergo any significant character development or will she stay this shallow and incompetent til the end?
despite everything else, her character alone makes me wanna drop the show entirely atm