What was the message? It was an entertaining movie with lots of action, but what was the purpose of this movie?…
Same. I gave it a 7 just now.
There was no plot. It were only side stories compiled together.
* Why did they choose to pretend to be an entertainment company? * How much influence do they have with the authorities? * What was the purpose of the “sacred meeting” other than to kill the military guy who apparently is wearing a coat and tie inside, and to piss off everyone? * An assassin who suddenly fell in love with Bok Soon because she outwitted his principles? That he was willing to die at her hands in the end? * Are they simply hired assassins who will take any orders as long as the target is not underage? No questions asked, who cares if a Nation collapses or it sparks WW3?
And Bok Soon's daughter. She's not needed in the story. We can remove all her scenes and just mention her through dialogues, and the movie would still be the same as it is. The daughter did not add any depth to Bok Soon.
Yes, yes, to drive the story. But that's the first question, what was the story? There was none.
The movie is more of a showcase of what the producing company can do. If we look at it that way, as a showcase then yes, it can pass with flying colours, just like most other showcases meant to show what the producing company can do. (Not the writer's.)
To be honest, I don't understand your generation. You all say whatever you want to so easily, but fall apart just as easily when taking responsibility. You all have a weak mentality. You're all so difficult and demanding. You don't even try, but you want results. You don't even work hard but complain the secon you're given something to do. It's a wonder what you can accomplish in that state.
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Our thought processes have changed, and above all else, the world we live in is different. It's no longer an era of possibilities. To the youths, we live in an era where we havee to hold out.
I'm torn with Papa Cha leaving. He added a unique dynamic in the team, and the show itself.
However, in a way, his story has ended when he found closure with the pain he endured. Him choosing to resign, despite what Master Kim told him, was Papa Cha realising that he was being consumed by the events of 3 years ago. He can not move on from it, which was affecting him as a person, as a father, and as a doctor.
What did he realise? It was his fault his student committed suicide.
Why was it his fault?
Simple. He did not bother to understand the new generation. As someone who is older, as a professor, he should've had taken the time to reach out and understand, to ensure his message was conveyed and not misunderstood.
But he failed.
You see, this is a very common mistake a lot of people do every day. Once we are up there, once we have enough experience, we forget where we came from. We forget how we started. We forget that things change and not everyone is like you and me. As a Xennial, I made that mistake too, a lot. Often, it is too late to realise that mistake and we've hurt people along the way.
This is what Papa Cha realised, hence, he chose to resign. He finally started to see how the new generation think.
Did he surrender? Not at all. He chose to start anew. Fresh. It is his way to make amends and to honour that student who committed suicide, and his favourite student at that. It is also better for the hospital to have a new head, otherwise, they will continu to whisper. Which, as Dr. Cha told Papa Cha, she does not like people whispering about him.
Dr. Cha is right, at the end of the day, no matter what our opinions of our family, be it good or bad, they still are our immediate family. Hearing people whisper about the mistakes of your family is not something any human being should experience.
So, a salute to Papa Cha. He may be thinking that it was his downfall, and there is no grace in it. However, the way I see it, he exited with grace and honour; and it was not his downfall. Rather, it was actually the first step in him rising up again because the incident 3 years ago already left him “down” for so very long.
They remembered that the student teacher was originally supposed to die earlier so stands to reason their memories…
That's true, you could also say that the ML still remembers the original events after he changed the past of the “falsely accused” guy (brother of Mi Sook), and got him released from prison alive… instead of committing suicide.
But, the time machine is still in his possession (the ML), which, if they are using the time/quantum bubble theory, then it means everything is still in flux or constantly changing; or to put it another way, the events are not yet fixed.
So far, based on the earlier episodes, they do seem to be using the time/quantum bubble theory.
Thus, we can assume (for now) that their memories are still intact because (1) they are still in the past; (2) the time machine is broken; and (3) they will more likely get it fixed and time travel again.
This time travel trope (i.e. time/quantum bubble) has been employed a lot in time travel fiction (novels, TV, etc.) but is often misunderstood as “multiple timelines”. They're different. I've explained this in other time travel discussions, like in Sisyphus: The Myth (a 2021 K-drama).
In the West, it was used and explained clearly in the recently concluded season of Quantum Leap (2022–2023). They even explained it closely similar to how I explain it. Also, The Flash's finale Season (2023) also explained it similarly, the way I do. (Even Star Trek used this trope long years before I understood it. :p )
Where writers differ is how they address memories after the bubble collapses. 1. Some choose to keep their memories intact. 2. Some decides to replace their memories.
The latter is what I do not want to see in this show, because the FL's realisations about her father would all be meaningless if her memories of the original events and how she judged her father, are erased.
The way the story is going, the memories of the ML and FL are better left intact, so they can remember how their view of the people around them has changed. After all, is not that the message the writer wants to send? That we should be understanding of other people, especially our own family?
I can't wait for the episode when Baek Yoon Young discovers all her assumptions about her father were completely false. That would be the best episode in the entire series.
I also have a very high expectation that Jin Ki Joo can pull off the required acting for such a scene.
The only thing I will hate is if her memories are suddenly changed because then, she wouldn't remember all the false assumptions she had against her father.
What makes this series very interesting is they failed to shield their children from their adult problems.Normally,…
If they do get divorced, the children will more likely think their mother wants to abandon them, or their mother doesn't care. They will fail to understand the true reason why their mother pushed for a divorce.
And what if their mother got involved with another man? In this case, a fellow doctor? More likely they will start to think that their mother was also having an affair, and took the opportunity to push for a divorce.
If they successfully shielded their children, the children would not have expectations, or their own assumptions and conclusions. They won't have time to interpret things correctly or incorrectly, as they will still be trying to accept their new situation.
But because they failed in shielding them… they have plenty of time to make their own assumptions and decisions.
At this stage, no matter if they go through the divorce or not, they will definitely hurt their children in so many ways.
Let's be honest with ourselves, we were all once teenagers, and when we reached the age of 30, we realised how foolish our thoughts and assumptions were about adults when we were teenagers.
What makes this series very interesting is they failed to shield their children from their adult problems.
Normally, and the obvious course to take, is to divorce. Why? What used is it to stay together when the family is already broken? The children will notice it anyway, and will get confused. The children will definitely take sides, they may or may not show it, but its effect is far worse.
But, in this series, they failed to shield their children. Children who shouldn't care about their adult problems are taking and doing things they shouldn't even do. The kid requesting favours to the mistress, that's not what a child should be doing. The step-sisters fighting each other, even hurting each other.
Once the children gets involved, it make things more complicated than it already is. Example, they don't want their parents to divorce, but their mother has decided to do it.
I especially love how he cried after, because that's exactly how someone in the same position as him would release all their emotions.
1. He was all bravado. “I'm going to save everyone, I don't care what happens to me.” 2. Collapse 3. Damage nerves. 4. Realizing you may not be able to do what you love to do 5. Removal process, and total fear. Yet you still forced yourself to hold on and endure the massive pain. 6. Once removed, your mind starts racing:
a. “I almost died” b. “I did this to save lives and I almost died” c. “I may not be able to continue my profession” d. “Sh*t, I survive that!” e. “NO F**K! I AM ALIVE!” f. “What in the world am I doing here in the first place!”
He perfectly portrayed it all when he cried after he was pulled.
There's that human being that he bottled up in Season 02.
There's that little boy that his mother misses.
I was like, “if you don't cry like this, you don't understand your scene”, and I was glad he did because it meant he understood the entire scenario he was portraying.
I felt bad for Woo Jin screaming like that,this is AHS best role imo so far.
Yeah!
I especially love how he cried after, because that's exactly how someone in the same position as him would release all their emotions.
1. He was all bravado. “I'm going to save everyone, I don't care what happens to me.” 2. Collapse 3. Damage nerves. 4. Realizing you may not be able to do what you love to do 5. Removal process, and total fear. Yet you still forced yourself to hold on and endure the massive pain. 6. Once removed, your mind starts racing:
a. “I almost died” b. “I did this to save lives and I almost died” c. “I may not be able to continue my profession” d. “Sh*t, I survive that!” e. “NO F**K! I AM ALIVE!” f. “What in the world am I doing here in the first place!”
He perfectly portrayed it all when he cried after he was pulled.
There's that human being that he bottled up in Season 02.
There's that little boy that his mother misses.
I was like, “if you don't cry like this, you don't understand your scene”, and I was glad he did because it meant he understood the entire scenario he was portraying.
Contrary to popular opinion, Season 3 definitely deserves 100 out of 10 stars!---See inside for more.---That's…
1. For someone who isn't interested in people and strangers, he sure has big ears for relationship updates. LMAO!
2. I feel you, Dr. Areum. I've been there too. For an autistic like, who according to “experts” have no empathy and feelings and is supposedly dense, my Neurotypical ex-girlfriend is like Nurse Eun Tak. Too dense. Making stupid excuses. And… a complete fool.
Yep. Get mad at him! He deserves it! All people like him don't deserve our love!
3. It is very easy to hate the Assemblywoman. But, at the end of the day, we have to understand where she is coming from.
Here in the Philippines, we call it “hugot”. It literally means “pull”, but in this context, it translates to something like “deep source about something”. And this is what the Assembywoman was going through, the death of her son.
Let's be honest with ourselves here, it is NEVER right for children to die before their parents. Every religion believes that. Even those who don't believe in religion agrees.
That is the “hugot” of the Assemblywoman. It wasn't so much about neglect that is bothering her, it is because her only child died before her. She is just using their neglect and the budget as a way to channel all of it.
She was even willing to sacrifice her right foot because her “hugot” is so intense. Who wouldn't? Your child died before you. That will never ever be right.
So, again, it is very easy to hate her, but we have to understand where she is coming from.
==> She experienced the worst thing any decent human being should never experience. <==
And that brings us to:
4. Father Cha.
They finally revealed why he is acting the way he acted. He had a very bad experience already. I don't think it has to do with his son (Season 2), it was probably something worse, where he was directly involved or someone he respected, or his junior.
Something happened in the past, they got sued to the ends of the earth, and someone who doesn't deserve to be sued probably lost their license and later committed suicide.
It probably changed Daddy Cha. He vowed to never let it happen again. So, today, we are seeing this version of him that even his daughter has never seen. He will protect the hospital and he will protect the doctors.
He did not even care about what Woo Jin did with his son. He did not even care about what Woo Jin to his senior. He judged Woo Jin based on his skills as a doctor, period.
That tells us that Daddy Cha is a reasonable person, and doesn't get himself involved in stupid politics like in Season 01 and Season 02.
We go back to what I already said before, Daddy Cha is the polar opposite of Master Kim. They have the same values and principles at the end of the day, they just differ on how they approach it, how they make decisions, and how they want to achieve their goals.
They are like the North and South Poles. One is moving counter-clockwise, the other clockwise. Polar opposites. But have the same goal and purpose in life.
Why are they trying to kill Woojin in this season? I SWEAR, WRITERS, YOU BETTER NOT!!
No. They want us to show what kind of character Woo Jin has become. And this is what Master Kim is worried about.
The very reason Master Kim want his rival to be the head of the Trauma Center is for them all to learn to be responsible. Especially for Woo Jin, who only makes a decision for himself, forgetting that people will blindly follow him because they trust him.
This is a lesson Woo Jin needs to learn, and the writer is showing that, not trying to kill him.
Dayum u writters y u wanna kill or hurt seo woo ji so bad. I mean i get it but isn't he had so much pain already…
No. They want us to show what kind of character Woo Jin has become. And this is what Master Kim is worried about.
The very reason Master Kim want his rival to be the head of the Trauma Center is for them all to learn to be responsible. Especially for Woo Jin, who only makes a decision for himself, forgetting that people will blindly follow him because they trust him.
This is a lesson Woo Jin needs to learn, and the writer is showing that, not trying to kill him.
I already said last week but writer is trying to kill seo wojin this season.
No. They want us to show what kind of character Woo Jin has become. And this is what Master Kim is worried about.
The very reason Master Kim want his rival to be the head of the Trauma Center is for them all to learn to be responsible. Especially for Woo Jin, who only makes a decision for himself, forgetting that people will blindly follow him because they trust him.
This is a lesson Woo Jin needs to learn, and the writer is showing that, not trying to kill him.
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There was no plot. It were only side stories compiled together.
* Why did they choose to pretend to be an entertainment company?
* How much influence do they have with the authorities?
* What was the purpose of the “sacred meeting” other than to kill the military guy who apparently is wearing a coat and tie inside, and to piss off everyone?
* An assassin who suddenly fell in love with Bok Soon because she outwitted his principles? That he was willing to die at her hands in the end?
* Are they simply hired assassins who will take any orders as long as the target is not underage? No questions asked, who cares if a Nation collapses or it sparks WW3?
And Bok Soon's daughter. She's not needed in the story. We can remove all her scenes and just mention her through dialogues, and the movie would still be the same as it is. The daughter did not add any depth to Bok Soon.
Yes, yes, to drive the story. But that's the first question, what was the story? There was none.
The movie is more of a showcase of what the producing company can do. If we look at it that way, as a showcase then yes, it can pass with flying colours, just like most other showcases meant to show what the producing company can do. (Not the writer's.)
So, yeah, 7 from me as well.
You all say whatever you want to so easily, but fall apart just as easily when taking responsibility.
You all have a weak mentality. You're all so difficult and demanding.
You don't even try, but you want results.
You don't even work hard but complain the secon you're given something to do.
It's a wonder what you can accomplish in that state.
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Our thought processes have changed, and above all else, the world we live in is different.
It's no longer an era of possibilities.
To the youths, we live in an era where we havee to hold out.
However, in a way, his story has ended when he found closure with the pain he endured. Him choosing to resign, despite what Master Kim told him, was Papa Cha realising that he was being consumed by the events of 3 years ago. He can not move on from it, which was affecting him as a person, as a father, and as a doctor.
What did he realise?
It was his fault his student committed suicide.
Why was it his fault?
Simple. He did not bother to understand the new generation. As someone who is older, as a professor, he should've had taken the time to reach out and understand, to ensure his message was conveyed and not misunderstood.
But he failed.
You see, this is a very common mistake a lot of people do every day. Once we are up there, once we have enough experience, we forget where we came from. We forget how we started. We forget that things change and not everyone is like you and me. As a Xennial, I made that mistake too, a lot. Often, it is too late to realise that mistake and we've hurt people along the way.
This is what Papa Cha realised, hence, he chose to resign. He finally started to see how the new generation think.
Did he surrender? Not at all. He chose to start anew. Fresh. It is his way to make amends and to honour that student who committed suicide, and his favourite student at that. It is also better for the hospital to have a new head, otherwise, they will continu to whisper. Which, as Dr. Cha told Papa Cha, she does not like people whispering about him.
Dr. Cha is right, at the end of the day, no matter what our opinions of our family, be it good or bad, they still are our immediate family. Hearing people whisper about the mistakes of your family is not something any human being should experience.
So, a salute to Papa Cha. He may be thinking that it was his downfall, and there is no grace in it. However, the way I see it, he exited with grace and honour; and it was not his downfall. Rather, it was actually the first step in him rising up again because the incident 3 years ago already left him “down” for so very long.
But, the time machine is still in his possession (the ML), which, if they are using the time/quantum bubble theory, then it means everything is still in flux or constantly changing; or to put it another way, the events are not yet fixed.
So far, based on the earlier episodes, they do seem to be using the time/quantum bubble theory.
Thus, we can assume (for now) that their memories are still intact because (1) they are still in the past; (2) the time machine is broken; and (3) they will more likely get it fixed and time travel again.
This time travel trope (i.e. time/quantum bubble) has been employed a lot in time travel fiction (novels, TV, etc.) but is often misunderstood as “multiple timelines”. They're different. I've explained this in other time travel discussions, like in Sisyphus: The Myth (a 2021 K-drama).
In the West, it was used and explained clearly in the recently concluded season of Quantum Leap (2022–2023). They even explained it closely similar to how I explain it. Also, The Flash's finale Season (2023) also explained it similarly, the way I do. (Even Star Trek used this trope long years before I understood it. :p )
Where writers differ is how they address memories after the bubble collapses.
1. Some choose to keep their memories intact.
2. Some decides to replace their memories.
The latter is what I do not want to see in this show, because the FL's realisations about her father would all be meaningless if her memories of the original events and how she judged her father, are erased.
The way the story is going, the memories of the ML and FL are better left intact, so they can remember how their view of the people around them has changed. After all, is not that the message the writer wants to send? That we should be understanding of other people, especially our own family?
^_^
I also have a very high expectation that Jin Ki Joo can pull off the required acting for such a scene.
The only thing I will hate is if her memories are suddenly changed because then, she wouldn't remember all the false assumptions she had against her father.
And what if their mother got involved with another man? In this case, a fellow doctor? More likely they will start to think that their mother was also having an affair, and took the opportunity to push for a divorce.
If they successfully shielded their children, the children would not have expectations, or their own assumptions and conclusions. They won't have time to interpret things correctly or incorrectly, as they will still be trying to accept their new situation.
But because they failed in shielding them… they have plenty of time to make their own assumptions and decisions.
At this stage, no matter if they go through the divorce or not, they will definitely hurt their children in so many ways.
Let's be honest with ourselves, we were all once teenagers, and when we reached the age of 30, we realised how foolish our thoughts and assumptions were about adults when we were teenagers.
^_^
Normally, and the obvious course to take, is to divorce. Why? What used is it to stay together when the family is already broken? The children will notice it anyway, and will get confused. The children will definitely take sides, they may or may not show it, but its effect is far worse.
But, in this series, they failed to shield their children. Children who shouldn't care about their adult problems are taking and doing things they shouldn't even do. The kid requesting favours to the mistress, that's not what a child should be doing. The step-sisters fighting each other, even hurting each other.
Once the children gets involved, it make things more complicated than it already is. Example, they don't want their parents to divorce, but their mother has decided to do it.
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What I haven't heard about is the other previous actors.
1. He was all bravado. “I'm going to save everyone, I don't care what happens to me.”
2. Collapse
3. Damage nerves.
4. Realizing you may not be able to do what you love to do
5. Removal process, and total fear. Yet you still forced yourself to hold on and endure the massive pain.
6. Once removed, your mind starts racing:
a. “I almost died”
b. “I did this to save lives and I almost died”
c. “I may not be able to continue my profession”
d. “Sh*t, I survive that!”
e. “NO F**K! I AM ALIVE!”
f. “What in the world am I doing here in the first place!”
He perfectly portrayed it all when he cried after he was pulled.
There's that human being that he bottled up in Season 02.
There's that little boy that his mother misses.
I was like, “if you don't cry like this, you don't understand your scene”, and I was glad he did because it meant he understood the entire scenario he was portraying.
Give him the best actor award.
I especially love how he cried after, because that's exactly how someone in the same position as him would release all their emotions.
1. He was all bravado. “I'm going to save everyone, I don't care what happens to me.”
2. Collapse
3. Damage nerves.
4. Realizing you may not be able to do what you love to do
5. Removal process, and total fear. Yet you still forced yourself to hold on and endure the massive pain.
6. Once removed, your mind starts racing:
a. “I almost died”
b. “I did this to save lives and I almost died”
c. “I may not be able to continue my profession”
d. “Sh*t, I survive that!”
e. “NO F**K! I AM ALIVE!”
f. “What in the world am I doing here in the first place!”
He perfectly portrayed it all when he cried after he was pulled.
There's that human being that he bottled up in Season 02.
There's that little boy that his mother misses.
I was like, “if you don't cry like this, you don't understand your scene”, and I was glad he did because it meant he understood the entire scenario he was portraying.
Give him the best actor award.
2. I feel you, Dr. Areum. I've been there too. For an autistic like, who according to “experts” have no empathy and feelings and is supposedly dense, my Neurotypical ex-girlfriend is like Nurse Eun Tak. Too dense. Making stupid excuses. And… a complete fool.
Yep. Get mad at him! He deserves it! All people like him don't deserve our love!
3. It is very easy to hate the Assemblywoman. But, at the end of the day, we have to understand where she is coming from.
Here in the Philippines, we call it “hugot”. It literally means “pull”, but in this context, it translates to something like “deep source about something”. And this is what the Assembywoman was going through, the death of her son.
Let's be honest with ourselves here, it is NEVER right for children to die before their parents. Every religion believes that. Even those who don't believe in religion agrees.
That is the “hugot” of the Assemblywoman. It wasn't so much about neglect that is bothering her, it is because her only child died before her. She is just using their neglect and the budget as a way to channel all of it.
She was even willing to sacrifice her right foot because her “hugot” is so intense. Who wouldn't? Your child died before you. That will never ever be right.
So, again, it is very easy to hate her, but we have to understand where she is coming from.
==> She experienced the worst thing any decent human being should never experience. <==
And that brings us to:
4. Father Cha.
They finally revealed why he is acting the way he acted. He had a very bad experience already. I don't think it has to do with his son (Season 2), it was probably something worse, where he was directly involved or someone he respected, or his junior.
Something happened in the past, they got sued to the ends of the earth, and someone who doesn't deserve to be sued probably lost their license and later committed suicide.
It probably changed Daddy Cha. He vowed to never let it happen again. So, today, we are seeing this version of him that even his daughter has never seen. He will protect the hospital and he will protect the doctors.
He did not even care about what Woo Jin did with his son. He did not even care about what Woo Jin to his senior. He judged Woo Jin based on his skills as a doctor, period.
That tells us that Daddy Cha is a reasonable person, and doesn't get himself involved in stupid politics like in Season 01 and Season 02.
We go back to what I already said before, Daddy Cha is the polar opposite of Master Kim. They have the same values and principles at the end of the day, they just differ on how they approach it, how they make decisions, and how they want to achieve their goals.
They are like the North and South Poles. One is moving counter-clockwise, the other clockwise. Polar opposites. But have the same goal and purpose in life.
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See inside for more.
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That's why I said Season 03 is by far the best, surpassing Season 01 and Season 02 combined.
^_^
The very reason Master Kim want his rival to be the head of the Trauma Center is for them all to learn to be responsible. Especially for Woo Jin, who only makes a decision for himself, forgetting that people will blindly follow him because they trust him.
This is a lesson Woo Jin needs to learn, and the writer is showing that, not trying to kill him.
It's called character development and plot.
The very reason Master Kim want his rival to be the head of the Trauma Center is for them all to learn to be responsible. Especially for Woo Jin, who only makes a decision for himself, forgetting that people will blindly follow him because they trust him.
This is a lesson Woo Jin needs to learn, and the writer is showing that, not trying to kill him.
It's called character development and plot.
The very reason Master Kim want his rival to be the head of the Trauma Center is for them all to learn to be responsible. Especially for Woo Jin, who only makes a decision for himself, forgetting that people will blindly follow him because they trust him.
This is a lesson Woo Jin needs to learn, and the writer is showing that, not trying to kill him.
It's called character development and plot.