Hae Soo's trust had a giant crack effectively chiseled into it by someone who could even make a little brother…
Great explanation, much appreciated!
And good point, 10 years to a 30-year reporter is a huge difference, and also depending on which reports they covered, as you mentioned, like frontlines.
What are you talking about? Every main actor in this drama is married to a non-celebrity, divorced (Chae Jung…
> I made myself clear before , no need to keep reminding me of things I already know. My point of view is clear for anyone who still has his mind and hasn’t been brainwashed. This will be the last time I reply to anyone regarding this topic. It’s finished
You kept on claiming that you are just stating an opinion, or basic instinct/nature, but you also kept on shutting people down and that yours is the only way.
So, which one is it really? You can not claim you just want to “argue” or “discuss” if you are shutting down other people just because they did not agree with you.
Are you here to preach or to socialise?
If you are here to socialise, then by all means. However, be informed that shutting people down just because they don't agree with you, is making you look insane. You have to make up your mind.
If you are here to preach, well, you can do that also, it is up to the administration of MyDramaList if they will allow or ban preaching. But, of course, expect people to reply and disagree with you.
HEY, don't get me wrong. I do have my own beliefs, and I don't agree with some, half, or more of the things I see/watch/read here and there.
If my EQUAL partner in life (a.k.a. wife/spouse) is an actor, and she had a kissing scene in a project after we got married, I will bring it up with her.
In fact, I will bring it up even before we get married, because the right thing to do is to set expectations. If she accepts it, good. If not, then it is something we can both ponder on, because that might become a big issue later if we get married.
We can even meet halfway and make it all work, and meeting halfway is my preferred approach because that IS how relationships work. You are EQUALS. Give and take.
It is not compromising. Compromising is going against your beliefs or principles, usually only for the benefit of one party. Meeting halfway means you both found an acceptable solution, or workaround, where both parties are satisfied, and it doesn't trample on each other's beliefs and principles.
Anyway, going back. I will not preach that it is immoral, and then shut down people who disagree with me with statements such as, and I quote, “I say it isn’t , that’s it”.
There is a right place, and a right time, to open up sensitive things. And, unfortunately, this is not it.
????? They are actors, the kisses they give are technical, they are all for work!! That's part of acting, it's…
> I am not trying to shame or force anybody , I was just arguing about is it right or wrong morally , they say it’s okay , I say it isn’t , that’s it
It is your own personal belief. But remember, what you find immoral, may not be for others. And, what you find morally sound, may be immoral for others.
????? They are actors, the kisses they give are technical, they are all for work!! That's part of acting, it's…
It's hard to imagine if you are trying to push your own beliefs and culture on other people.
You have to learn not to do that. It is their culture, it is their belief, and they have the freedom to decide how far they are willing to take their roles.
Also, who said there will be kissing?
And if there will be kissing, who's to say it wasn't deepfaked? Jang Na Ra is a bit conservative, like most Koreans to this day.
Did you see a photo somewhere that they kiss? Because, quite honestly, I have no idea why you are assuming that a married fictional couple will have kissing scenes.
But she is married now right !! Oh my god it will be awkward for me to see the romance and the kisses between…
1. They are actors.
2. It is up to them how far they are willing to take their roles.
3. Just because their characters are married, does it mean there will be kisses, etc. No.
You can play a married couple without doing any touching, or kissing, or showing flesh, or whatever.
In fact, it has been done before, for example, in Sex & The City. One couple there never did any kissing, because the guy stood his ground that his lips is only for his wife. In the end, his character and his fictional wife, ended up being one of the best couples in Sex & The City.
So, yeah, it is possible, and it is up to the actors how far they are willing to take their roles.
I'm thinking Jang Na Ra's character is a secret agent for the NIS, and her husband happened to be an assassin. And one day, their paths crossed, and they're on the opposite sides of the law. Yet, they have to survive for their family.
There's another live-action, can't remember of a TV series or a film, with a similar plot. The married couple are on the opposite sides, and then their paths crossed.
In that story, their paths did not cross unintentionally, the government boss of the spouse, and the criminal boss who kept hiring the other spouse, they both knew their secret identities, and intentionally made their paths crossed.
It's not Mr. and Mrs. Smith, since that one, they're both hired assassins, though similar plot.
Just speculation. I'm more excited to see how they are going to add their Korean touch in a plot that is cliché.
So they're married but there's no romance in the genre 🤔
“Romance” as a genre has little to do with, well, sexual/love romance, or romantic relationships. It's actually about an adventure, or saving a person.
That in mind, this show, being about family, hence the title, doesn't fall under the said genre. And, even if we assume sexual/love romance, or romantic relationships, the show's synopsis is about a husband who is an assassin, and a wife struggling for their family. It'll probably fall more into action, secret agent, and yeah, family drama.
Huhu, 12 only. This year is when 12 episodes have become the new standard in Korean TV series. We'll more likely see less and less of 16-episode dramas.
Anyway, good thing about 12-episode shows, it's packed. And if the cast is someone like Jang Na Ra, definitely and no doubt packed. Can't wiat!
Looks like Part 2 will have amazing effects. The lead actors said that they actually finished filming Parts 1 and 2 because they shot both at the same time. If it's taking this long to release Part 2, then it means it's going to have superb effects. (And probably some adjustments and retakes… who knows.)
Hae Soo's trust had a giant crack effectively chiseled into it by someone who could even make a little brother…
> Just like docs can't operate on family
In Korea, I guess. There were/are doctors who can.
> and cops can't work on cases involving family
I guess in Korea again, by the operative word "can't". In other countries, there's no stopping them from working on cases involving a family member. It is either up to them not to, or because the public has gone dismissive, so they were ordered to stay away from it.
> a reporter is going to be horribly unobjective when trying to investigate something this traumatic and emotional.
Maybe the newbies. I've seen reporters who stayed objective and kept reporting even though it involved their loved ones.
I guess it's safer to say that Hae Soo is not a seasoned reporter. Or, her grudge is so deep, it trumps all logic and objectivity.
> Having normal, wholly fallible characters is harder to do from a writing perspective than having ones who are ideal/near-perfect.
If so, my question then, why did they opt for the harder way when it is easier to write a realistic character? Also, no one said a character has to be ideal or near-perfect, having a realistic character is itself is bringing in the flaws of a human being.
The issue I find is, they established the characters a certain way, then suddenly they are out-of-character. Hae Soo was established as a seasoned reporter, she's even an anchor, that means she's above reproach and can be depended on to make the right decisions.
Yet, poof, all of that gone the next episode. It was as if she never learned anything for being a reporter. Did she earn an anchor spot because she's wealthy and well-connected?
> neither is going to be rational for a while. None of us would be, either, no matter our job skills.
A very strong statement to make. ^_^ But, I've seen people proving otherwise, even worked with one. It was only later that I found out why, because that person was a cop, they left the force because of low pay, but retained their objectivity and rationality. (I learned from that person a lot, too.)
So, again, going back, some characters were already established to be this and that person, and then in the next episode, they're a totally different character. It was like they are Hyde and Jekyll.
Look at the men in the story, they're consistent with their established characters. I wasn't even surprised who actually killed the monkey, because it's consistent with the character's personality.
As you've explained, I guess we can sum it up to, her grudge being so deep, it overrides all her rationality and objectivity. Probably the only way to reconcile the sudden 180 about her character.
This is the type of "conflict" method that I don't like with Korean TV series: don't make the characters talk to each other to build conflict. LOL.
In this case, they're close friends. So, how come they're not communicating?
Also, how cam Hae Soo have forgotten that Tae Ra lost her memories and concluded everything was fake and she lied? What happened to their closeness?
On Tae Ra's side, we can let it slide because she's probably thinking the best way to protect Hae Soo is to not let her know she recovered her memories, and she was trained to be an assassin.
But, Hae Soo? Searching for her father's killer? She could have done subtle questioning, she's a good reporter after all. Read between the lines. Stay close to Tae Ra, because, hey, the best way to know the truth is to stay close, not declare a war.
Where did her reporter logic and skills go? LOL. It's too out of her character. She was a great reporter, very good at getting answers, and then she made the worst mistake anyone in her career can ever make… declare war with the people who can provide you with answers.
Then, the men are in talking terms even though they hate each other to their guts and bones. LOL. Seriously.
Last time I checked, it's most men who keeps quiet, and plots how to stab each other behind their backs. While most women are the brave ones who will fight face to face.
If not for Lee Ji Ah, I wouldn't bother. I want to see her in an action role.
the sex scenes are real. as the commentor before this one said, they were left alone w only one female staff and…
Yep, the directory said it in an interview.
He said something like he wants realism, and told the two actors beforehand, and stressed, that there will be s*x scenes. He made sure that they understood before they signed-up for the project.
Then, he said, the first shoots they did where the s*x scenes because he learned that it is these scenes that makes the entire filming hard when the actors constantly think about it.
So, by doing the scenes first and foremost, they'll be focused on the other non-s*x scenes.
He then explained how he those scenes were filmed, especially the one between the two actresses, which was what the other commenters said.
The director explained that it was to ensure the two actresses felt comfortable. Before they filmed it, he already explained in detail the kind of scenes he wanted to film. However, he gave them complete freedom on how to show/interpret those scenes. The idea is there, it was up to them how to do it.
The director was in another room, controlling the cameras, and it was only him in that room. And voila, a masterpiece film was produced.
The director isn't new to this type of films. He's an expert on how to tell stories with s*x scenes. Not like other films where they just added s*x scenes for the sake of adding s*x scenes, not because it adds to the story.
I wished I saved the URL, you can try searching, the article will probably still show up.
its exist in every religion i guess, not alone Christianity.
Actually, the Roman Catholic Church is the most notorious. There are Asian countries where the RCC is truly hated, one such is Cambodia, and this is according to Cambodians themselves. They don't trust the RCC, the "Sisters", the "Priests". They trust the Born-Agains and Pentecostals more than the Catholics and Protestants.
The story is long so I won't share. Just a clue and for context, it has to do with children and how they convert people against their wishes.
This might have changed today, since, those kids forcefully converted are now adults. That's how you change/conquer a nation, you educate the children because they are going to replace the current status quo of adults.
They need to add the comedy tag on this show and remove the thriller and mystery tags. This season is nothing…
> Not to mention the fact that they always have some earphone connected to everyone and that works everywhere but you never see it no matter in which angle the characters are shot. It's like they installed an earphone in their brains, lol.
Oh, there is an in-ear plug that can be inserted and can't be seen in any angle. Some Western shows are also starting to use it.
It is actually a brilliant way to save budget. Because they don't have to buy any materials, and just pretend it exist there (they don't have to buy the real deal, or use some earphones).
Personally, what is crazy is the range. But if they are using existing technology, then it's possible. For example, their phones are always connected to the Internet and are using a radio app connected to the Internet. This exists.
But, if they are only using the traditional radio frequency, now that's crazy. The range is too wide, and it also mean they registered their own frequency, or hijacking another frequency. LOL.
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And good point, 10 years to a 30-year reporter is a huge difference, and also depending on which reports they covered, as you mentioned, like frontlines.
Oh. I just saw that after re-reading.
I guess I shouldn't expect any reply. If you do reply, then I guess, well …
You kept on claiming that you are just stating an opinion, or basic instinct/nature, but you also kept on shutting people down and that yours is the only way.
So, which one is it really? You can not claim you just want to “argue” or “discuss” if you are shutting down other people just because they did not agree with you.
Are you here to preach or to socialise?
If you are here to socialise, then by all means. However, be informed that shutting people down just because they don't agree with you, is making you look insane. You have to make up your mind.
If you are here to preach, well, you can do that also, it is up to the administration of MyDramaList if they will allow or ban preaching. But, of course, expect people to reply and disagree with you.
HEY, don't get me wrong. I do have my own beliefs, and I don't agree with some, half, or more of the things I see/watch/read here and there.
If my EQUAL partner in life (a.k.a. wife/spouse) is an actor, and she had a kissing scene in a project after we got married, I will bring it up with her.
In fact, I will bring it up even before we get married, because the right thing to do is to set expectations. If she accepts it, good. If not, then it is something we can both ponder on, because that might become a big issue later if we get married.
We can even meet halfway and make it all work, and meeting halfway is my preferred approach because that IS how relationships work. You are EQUALS. Give and take.
It is not compromising. Compromising is going against your beliefs or principles, usually only for the benefit of one party. Meeting halfway means you both found an acceptable solution, or workaround, where both parties are satisfied, and it doesn't trample on each other's beliefs and principles.
Anyway, going back. I will not preach that it is immoral, and then shut down people who disagree with me with statements such as, and I quote, “I say it isn’t , that’s it”.
There is a right place, and a right time, to open up sensitive things. And, unfortunately, this is not it.
It is your own personal belief. But remember, what you find immoral, may not be for others. And, what you find morally sound, may be immoral for others.
That's how it is to live here on planet Earth.
You have to learn not to do that. It is their culture, it is their belief, and they have the freedom to decide how far they are willing to take their roles.
Also, who said there will be kissing?
And if there will be kissing, who's to say it wasn't deepfaked? Jang Na Ra is a bit conservative, like most Koreans to this day.
Did you see a photo somewhere that they kiss? Because, quite honestly, I have no idea why you are assuming that a married fictional couple will have kissing scenes.
2. It is up to them how far they are willing to take their roles.
3. Just because their characters are married, does it mean there will be kisses, etc. No.
You can play a married couple without doing any touching, or kissing, or showing flesh, or whatever.
In fact, it has been done before, for example, in Sex & The City. One couple there never did any kissing, because the guy stood his ground that his lips is only for his wife. In the end, his character and his fictional wife, ended up being one of the best couples in Sex & The City.
So, yeah, it is possible, and it is up to the actors how far they are willing to take their roles.
There's another live-action, can't remember of a TV series or a film, with a similar plot. The married couple are on the opposite sides, and then their paths crossed.
In that story, their paths did not cross unintentionally, the government boss of the spouse, and the criminal boss who kept hiring the other spouse, they both knew their secret identities, and intentionally made their paths crossed.
It's not Mr. and Mrs. Smith, since that one, they're both hired assassins, though similar plot.
Just speculation. I'm more excited to see how they are going to add their Korean touch in a plot that is cliché.
That in mind, this show, being about family, hence the title, doesn't fall under the said genre. And, even if we assume sexual/love romance, or romantic relationships, the show's synopsis is about a husband who is an assassin, and a wife struggling for their family. It'll probably fall more into action, secret agent, and yeah, family drama.
^_^
Anyway, good thing about 12-episode shows, it's packed. And if the cast is someone like Jang Na Ra, definitely and no doubt packed. Can't wiat!
In Korea, I guess. There were/are doctors who can.
> and cops can't work on cases involving family
I guess in Korea again, by the operative word "can't". In other countries, there's no stopping them from working on cases involving a family member. It is either up to them not to, or because the public has gone dismissive, so they were ordered to stay away from it.
> a reporter is going to be horribly unobjective when trying to investigate something this traumatic and emotional.
Maybe the newbies. I've seen reporters who stayed objective and kept reporting even though it involved their loved ones.
I guess it's safer to say that Hae Soo is not a seasoned reporter. Or, her grudge is so deep, it trumps all logic and objectivity.
> Having normal, wholly fallible characters is harder to do from a writing perspective than having ones who are ideal/near-perfect.
If so, my question then, why did they opt for the harder way when it is easier to write a realistic character? Also, no one said a character has to be ideal or near-perfect, having a realistic character is itself is bringing in the flaws of a human being.
The issue I find is, they established the characters a certain way, then suddenly they are out-of-character. Hae Soo was established as a seasoned reporter, she's even an anchor, that means she's above reproach and can be depended on to make the right decisions.
Yet, poof, all of that gone the next episode. It was as if she never learned anything for being a reporter. Did she earn an anchor spot because she's wealthy and well-connected?
> neither is going to be rational for a while. None of us would be, either, no matter our job skills.
A very strong statement to make. ^_^ But, I've seen people proving otherwise, even worked with one. It was only later that I found out why, because that person was a cop, they left the force because of low pay, but retained their objectivity and rationality. (I learned from that person a lot, too.)
So, again, going back, some characters were already established to be this and that person, and then in the next episode, they're a totally different character. It was like they are Hyde and Jekyll.
Look at the men in the story, they're consistent with their established characters. I wasn't even surprised who actually killed the monkey, because it's consistent with the character's personality.
As you've explained, I guess we can sum it up to, her grudge being so deep, it overrides all her rationality and objectivity. Probably the only way to reconcile the sudden 180 about her character.
^_^
In this case, they're close friends. So, how come they're not communicating?
Also, how cam Hae Soo have forgotten that Tae Ra lost her memories and concluded everything was fake and she lied? What happened to their closeness?
On Tae Ra's side, we can let it slide because she's probably thinking the best way to protect Hae Soo is to not let her know she recovered her memories, and she was trained to be an assassin.
But, Hae Soo? Searching for her father's killer? She could have done subtle questioning, she's a good reporter after all. Read between the lines. Stay close to Tae Ra, because, hey, the best way to know the truth is to stay close, not declare a war.
Where did her reporter logic and skills go? LOL. It's too out of her character. She was a great reporter, very good at getting answers, and then she made the worst mistake anyone in her career can ever make… declare war with the people who can provide you with answers.
Then, the men are in talking terms even though they hate each other to their guts and bones. LOL. Seriously.
Last time I checked, it's most men who keeps quiet, and plots how to stab each other behind their backs. While most women are the brave ones who will fight face to face.
If not for Lee Ji Ah, I wouldn't bother. I want to see her in an action role.
He said something like he wants realism, and told the two actors beforehand, and stressed, that there will be s*x scenes. He made sure that they understood before they signed-up for the project.
Then, he said, the first shoots they did where the s*x scenes because he learned that it is these scenes that makes the entire filming hard when the actors constantly think about it.
So, by doing the scenes first and foremost, they'll be focused on the other non-s*x scenes.
He then explained how he those scenes were filmed, especially the one between the two actresses, which was what the other commenters said.
The director explained that it was to ensure the two actresses felt comfortable. Before they filmed it, he already explained in detail the kind of scenes he wanted to film. However, he gave them complete freedom on how to show/interpret those scenes. The idea is there, it was up to them how to do it.
The director was in another room, controlling the cameras, and it was only him in that room. And voila, a masterpiece film was produced.
The director isn't new to this type of films. He's an expert on how to tell stories with s*x scenes. Not like other films where they just added s*x scenes for the sake of adding s*x scenes, not because it adds to the story.
I wished I saved the URL, you can try searching, the article will probably still show up.
The story is long so I won't share. Just a clue and for context, it has to do with children and how they convert people against their wishes.
This might have changed today, since, those kids forcefully converted are now adults. That's how you change/conquer a nation, you educate the children because they are going to replace the current status quo of adults.
Oh, there is an in-ear plug that can be inserted and can't be seen in any angle. Some Western shows are also starting to use it.
It is actually a brilliant way to save budget. Because they don't have to buy any materials, and just pretend it exist there (they don't have to buy the real deal, or use some earphones).
Personally, what is crazy is the range. But if they are using existing technology, then it's possible. For example, their phones are always connected to the Internet and are using a radio app connected to the Internet. This exists.
But, if they are only using the traditional radio frequency, now that's crazy. The range is too wide, and it also mean they registered their own frequency, or hijacking another frequency. LOL.