From someone who is autistic, I'm guessing the sound helps her stay calm which led to her learning more and more about whales until it became her favourite subject and an expert at it.
Each of us autistics have at least 1 subject where we know a lot and can talk about it endlessly. Sometimes when making analogies, we also use that subject. Or if we're trying to articulate something going on in our mind, we use that subject. Like how she did in episode 1.
Not all women with autism are the same actually. Crazy, I know.
Not at all. There are people like her. There is no formula to what traits an autistic/aspie should have. Whoever gave you that idea doesn't know anything about us autistics.
As I've said earlier in this thread, think of autism not as a spectrum but as a cyclinder. You add the common traits found in most autistics; then add traits that are not common. Then each trait have varying degrees.
Examples: - Common trait: OCD. But it has varying degrees per austistic. One shows a high degree of OCD while another doesn't. When I was a kid, I had high OCD; when I grew up, I learned ways to "keep it a bay" (but it's not gone, it's still there).
- Common trait: sensory sensitivity/overload. Same thing, varying degrees. Some autistics have sensory sensitivity to touch; some to light; some to sound/noise. Some autistics have sensitivity to all; but there is yet to be an autistic without a sensory sensitivity. The degree is just lower for some to the point that it was usually mistaken as "doesn't exist" but when analyzed properly, it's still there.
- Uncommon trait: love to meet and talk with people
Not all women with autism are the same actually. Crazy, I know.
> "autists", just use "autistics" it's the proper word ever since and to this day.
> high IQ are considered as high functioning"
No.
High Functioning simply means people with autism but can function in society. It has nothing to do with IQ.
"Classic autism" is also called, in professional circles, as "low functioning". If your definition is correct that it has to do with IQ, then you are claiming that "classic autism" are dumb people.
That kind of mindset is typical of someone influenced by the media and showbiz. ;) It's wrong. It's incorrect. It's false. There are many in "classic autism" who have a high IQ; and there are also many in "high functioning" with low IQ.
Lastly, IQ is not consistent. When people age, our IQ tends to go lower. And it doesn't mean you are getting dumber.
Not all women with autism are the same actually. Crazy, I know.
> And as far as I am aware no where in the show has it said that she has aspergers.
It really doesn't matter if a person (real life or fictional) is an aspie or autistic. In the grand scheme of things, aspergers is part of the same autism spectrum, that's how it was originally and a few years back we returned to that same categorisation after many years of separating the two.
To make it simpler to explain, think of a line from left to right. - Left most is "classic autism" is the one most commonly depicted, sensationalized, in shows, and usually exaggerated too. - To the right of "classic autism" is "high functioning autism".
Under the high functioning autism" (again left to right): - Asperger's Syndrome (aspie) - HFA (high functioning autism) - PDD-NOD (Pervasive Developmental Disorder - Not Otherwise Specified)
Of course, explaining it as a line from left to right is simplifying it too much. Personally, I explain it as a cylinder. You add the common traits, then add other not common traits. Then each trait have varying degrees.
So for example, some autistics/aspies have a strong level or degree of OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder). Some don't.
The word "spectrum" itself is misleading. Autism, aspergers, it's all the same. We all have common and uncommon traits, and each of those traits have varying degrees.
Episode 1 feedback from an autistic.Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there…
10. Fascination with one particular subject. In the show, it's whales.
This is true. If someone you know is autistic (diagnosed; not diagnosed; unknown) fascination with one particular subject is a very common trait. We know almost everything about a subject we focus on. In the show, the autistic attorney's favourite subject are whales.
So … if you are non-autistic, understand this trait.
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I'll end with #10, there are more but it's too long now.
Episode 1 feedback from an autistic.Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there…
9. Autistics doesn't have feelings, emotions, sympathy, and empathy.
A common false misconception thanks to psychologists. This is NOT true.
We do have feelings, emotions, sympathy, and empathy, we just process and express it in a different way neurotypicals (a.k.a. "feeling normal and superior") does not understand or refuses to acknowledge.
In the show, this was expressed in the hospital scene where the autistic attorney dissected "love". That short talk enabled her to stand firmly on the case for her client because she understood her client loves her husband. That is how we usually process and express it.
Episode 1 feedback from an autistic.Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there…
8. Disclosing that one is in the Autism Spectrum
Now, many neurotypicals (a.k.a. "feeling normal and superior") whine about "it's not our fault, if they disclosed they are autistic then we would not have acted that way". F**king seriously?
What this tells us is that you'll give us a fake you just because you know we are autistic. And then later, when you get tired, you will still blame us and hope we disappear from your life -- or if you decide to move/resign, you'll blame us and speak about us to people we do not know.
This is one of the many reasons why many of us do not disclose that we are autistic. Many people starts to act fake just because. It is as if we have an infectious disease.
There is prejudice against autistics. In the show, I was afraid they'll turn the court into something against autistics, with the challenges the autistic attorney is facing, the judge could have said, "replace her, she's turning my court into a joke and she's taking too much time". (I'm they did not do that.)
Episode 1 feedback from an autistic.Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there…
7. Doesn't want to be touched and hugged
This is very true with almost all autistics, and often this is depicted wrongly and in a very bad way in shows where there is an autistic character.
It is not so much about personal space, as neurotypicals (a.k.a. "feeling normal and superior") argue about, it is about sensitivities. Yes, we do care about personal spaces but that isn't our primary concern why we don't want to be touched and hugged without our permission. Again, take note, without our permission.
For some autistics, they have touch sensitivities and if you do not inform them beforehand, it may (or may not) cause a serious spike or energy drain.
For some autistics, they have sensitivities on bacteria and germs. Take note: not because you have this sensitivity does it mean you are autistic; no not all. However, this is also a common trait for some autistics.
For some autistics, they highly value boundaries. Usually at work and at home, you'll see this trait reflected as well … there are literal and non-literal boundaries.
So, if you know a person is autistic, do not touch them nor hug them without their permission. If they say no, don't take it personally, it has nothing to do with you, it has to do with them.
If you do not know if a person is autistic and they reacted in a way that YOU think was rude or YOU think you offended them, again do not take it personally. They probably are autistic and doesn't feel comfortable in disclosing it. Again, it is NOT about you.
Episode 1 feedback from an autistic.Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there…
6. Echolalia
Whenever this is depicted in a show, it usually is presented as something annoying, bad, evil, and rude. In this particular show, I like how they did not do that. They turned it into something light, something people noticed but did not make a huge fuss about it.
In the court scene, they even made it a little comedic scene because the judge answered back after she repeated what he said. In other shows, they'll probably have the judge reprimand her and probably ask for her dismissal for making his court a monkey court.
Episode 1 feedback from an autistic.Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there…
5. Ways to brace oneself before doing something a person doesn't normally do; or something challenging
In the show, this was depicted as counting down before entering her supervisor's office. It's like preparing herself for something. Taking a deep breath. Getting her nerves ready.
This is a common trait amongst us autistics, although in varying degrees. If an autistic can not find a way to cope up with this, it practically paralyzes us from doing anything.
For example. Neurotypicals (a.k.a. "feeling normal and superior") gets nervous when going in interviews.
Many autistics don't just get nervous. It's like pushing a huge rock uphill for many of us. It usually starts with applying. It's too hard to send our CV because we already know (1) they are going to call us (which many of us hates); (2) we have to shake hands (which many of us hates); (3) we have to make eye contact (which again many of us hates); (4) when we arrive at the interview schedule, they'll make us wait (which we hate big time); and the list goes on. So, if we can't push ourselves to do it, it paralyzes us.
In the show, the character also observed (hospital scene) first before meeting them. It helps in preparing herself and to anticipate things, then took a deep breath. For non-autistics, they'll dismiss it as "she's bracing herself because she knew the husband and was afraid of him". Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I'm more inclined that she was not afraid of him … at all. She knew she might lose it once the husband starts his tirade.
Episode 1 feedback from an autistic.Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there…
4. Seeing things non-autistic people doesn't see/hear
Ooh, I love this one. Almost all neurotypicals (a.k.a. "feeling normal and superior") fail to see things already right in front of their faces. Almost all austistics see what you can not see.
This was perfectly exemplified with that iron that does look like a whale. At first it was meaningless but later in the case, it was a stepping stone which led to the solution.
That is accurate. And because we see (and hear) a lot of things, it is one reason why we experience sensory overload. (Yeah it's interconnected.)
Episode 1 feedback from an autistic.Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there…
3. Sensory overload or sensory sensitivity
They did well in expressing sensory overload or sensory sensitivity in a simple, natural way. These are: - wearing of ear plugs (waking up scene) - taste sensitivity (breakfast scene) - too much awareness of one's surroundings (train scene)
Most of us autistics have varying degrees of sensory sensitivity, and when there is simply too much, we enter into sensory overload situation.
For example, in the train scene, the crowd and the nearness of people creates a sensory overload. There are different ways that we autistics cope with it and if we fail at that … we need to run as far away from the crowd, the noise, and everything else, otherwise we're going to have a meltdown -- by that it means, our energy will be completely drained.
In the train scene, the character's way of coping with it is to listen to whale sounds. This is actually a common coping mechanism: draining one's senses of something to help tune out everything else. For example, one of my coping mechanism is to fill my thoughts with a particular problem that is not easy to solve. Or, if I am with someone, I will keep on talking about "senseless" things to help me drown out everything else.
We even get irritated at small sounds most non-autistics can not hear. I hate those small sounds myself, it can wake me up too, but most people don't hear it.
Episode 1 feedback from an autistic.Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there…
2. Having a lot of pillows (or anything soft) at bed.
Yet another trait rarely seen in shows. The most common depiction is having a lot of toys or a thick blanket (and they even use the wrong type of blanket!) In episode 1, they decided to depict the less seen in a show, lots of pillows.
While many autistics prefer weighted blankets or sensory blankets, not everyone does. Some simply prefer to have a lot of soft things around them.
Again, kudos for choosing to show this instead of the overly used toys and incorrect blankets.
Episode 1 feedback from an autistic.Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there…
1. The kid moving (or hopping a little) left and right at a stationary position.
Accurate. I do that myself. Other autistics do it differently, like swaying forward and backward (which I sometimes do myself).
This is the first time I saw this depicted in a show. Usually they use "murmurs", when an autistic talks to himself/herself; or scratches their arms. While there are autistics who do that, it is not always the case.
Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there were no exaggerated/sensationalized scenes re: autistic and autism, in general or otherwise.
My hopes are high they will maintain this "pureness" instead of adding things that does not represent us autistics.
Detailed feedback: (see long thread below)
EDIT: Apologies for the "feeling normal and superior". I just hate the word "normal" when it comes to autism discussion because "normal" is relative (and in this subject, the majority). But I have to explain what "neurotypical" is without implying that "normal" is "normal".
It has no other meaning other than being the "majority". Think of it this way, if the situation is reversed wherein autistics are the majority of the population, "normal" would mean the autistics.
Koreans and their fascination with the moon/sun and drowning in a lake. ^^;; There must be some mythological basis for this and why it's usually used in their dramas.
Well, everyone is different, you can't say that person with Aspergers has to do this, or be like that. I mean,…
As someone who is autistic, there are things the media portrays about us that is not accurate and is actually hurting us.
It has nothing to do with "everyone is different", it has to do with how they portray us autistics. There are still in the media and showbiz who still misrepresent us.
EDIT: To make it more clearer.
I am talking about how the media / showbiz is portraying us. I am not talking about if we austistics are similar or different. I am an autistic so I know first-hand how different we are from other autistics.
However, media and showbiz is a totally different matter. What you see does not necessarily mean that's how we autistics are. This is NOT new, we've been fighting the misinformation about autistics for decades now.
Them choosing the 23rd floor for Yoo Mi/Anna's apartment was not random. Hahahaha. Well played there director.In…
Also noticed the timing of the revelation. At the end of episode 2, when the real Anna showed up.
That means trouble. Could be the death of Yoo Mi's stolen identity.
OR
The real Anna might let her in exchange for a deal. Which would mean, Yoo Mi's new identity will continue to live and change her for better or for worse.
oh gawd.
It's autistic not "living with autism".
It is us. It is who we are. It is not something that we are "living with" and can just drop whenever.
Each of us autistics have at least 1 subject where we know a lot and can talk about it endlessly. Sometimes when making analogies, we also use that subject. Or if we're trying to articulate something going on in our mind, we use that subject. Like how she did in episode 1.
As I've said earlier in this thread, think of autism not as a spectrum but as a cyclinder. You add the common traits found in most autistics; then add traits that are not common. Then each trait have varying degrees.
Examples:
- Common trait: OCD. But it has varying degrees per austistic. One shows a high degree of OCD while another doesn't. When I was a kid, I had high OCD; when I grew up, I learned ways to "keep it a bay" (but it's not gone, it's still there).
- Common trait: sensory sensitivity/overload. Same thing, varying degrees. Some autistics have sensory sensitivity to touch; some to light; some to sound/noise. Some autistics have sensitivity to all; but there is yet to be an autistic without a sensory sensitivity. The degree is just lower for some to the point that it was usually mistaken as "doesn't exist" but when analyzed properly, it's still there.
- Uncommon trait: love to meet and talk with people
- Uncommon trait: fine with standing on stage
And so on.
> high IQ are considered as high functioning"
No.
High Functioning simply means people with autism but can function in society. It has nothing to do with IQ.
"Classic autism" is also called, in professional circles, as "low functioning". If your definition is correct that it has to do with IQ, then you are claiming that "classic autism" are dumb people.
That kind of mindset is typical of someone influenced by the media and showbiz. ;) It's wrong. It's incorrect. It's false. There are many in "classic autism" who have a high IQ; and there are also many in "high functioning" with low IQ.
Lastly, IQ is not consistent. When people age, our IQ tends to go lower. And it doesn't mean you are getting dumber.
It really doesn't matter if a person (real life or fictional) is an aspie or autistic. In the grand scheme of things, aspergers is part of the same autism spectrum, that's how it was originally and a few years back we returned to that same categorisation after many years of separating the two.
To make it simpler to explain, think of a line from left to right.
- Left most is "classic autism" is the one most commonly depicted, sensationalized, in shows, and usually exaggerated too.
- To the right of "classic autism" is "high functioning autism".
Under the high functioning autism" (again left to right):
- Asperger's Syndrome (aspie)
- HFA (high functioning autism)
- PDD-NOD (Pervasive Developmental Disorder - Not Otherwise Specified)
Of course, explaining it as a line from left to right is simplifying it too much. Personally, I explain it as a cylinder. You add the common traits, then add other not common traits. Then each trait have varying degrees.
So for example, some autistics/aspies have a strong level or degree of OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder). Some don't.
The word "spectrum" itself is misleading. Autism, aspergers, it's all the same. We all have common and uncommon traits, and each of those traits have varying degrees.
This is true. If someone you know is autistic (diagnosed; not diagnosed; unknown) fascination with one particular subject is a very common trait. We know almost everything about a subject we focus on. In the show, the autistic attorney's favourite subject are whales.
So … if you are non-autistic, understand this trait.
---
I'll end with #10, there are more but it's too long now.
A common false misconception thanks to psychologists. This is NOT true.
We do have feelings, emotions, sympathy, and empathy, we just process and express it in a different way neurotypicals (a.k.a. "feeling normal and superior") does not understand or refuses to acknowledge.
In the show, this was expressed in the hospital scene where the autistic attorney dissected "love". That short talk enabled her to stand firmly on the case for her client because she understood her client loves her husband. That is how we usually process and express it.
Now, many neurotypicals (a.k.a. "feeling normal and superior") whine about "it's not our fault, if they disclosed they are autistic then we would not have acted that way". F**king seriously?
What this tells us is that you'll give us a fake you just because you know we are autistic. And then later, when you get tired, you will still blame us and hope we disappear from your life -- or if you decide to move/resign, you'll blame us and speak about us to people we do not know.
This is one of the many reasons why many of us do not disclose that we are autistic. Many people starts to act fake just because. It is as if we have an infectious disease.
There is prejudice against autistics. In the show, I was afraid they'll turn the court into something against autistics, with the challenges the autistic attorney is facing, the judge could have said, "replace her, she's turning my court into a joke and she's taking too much time". (I'm they did not do that.)
This is very true with almost all autistics, and often this is depicted wrongly and in a very bad way in shows where there is an autistic character.
It is not so much about personal space, as neurotypicals (a.k.a. "feeling normal and superior") argue about, it is about sensitivities. Yes, we do care about personal spaces but that isn't our primary concern why we don't want to be touched and hugged without our permission. Again, take note, without our permission.
For some autistics, they have touch sensitivities and if you do not inform them beforehand, it may (or may not) cause a serious spike or energy drain.
For some autistics, they have sensitivities on bacteria and germs. Take note: not because you have this sensitivity does it mean you are autistic; no not all. However, this is also a common trait for some autistics.
For some autistics, they highly value boundaries. Usually at work and at home, you'll see this trait reflected as well … there are literal and non-literal boundaries.
So, if you know a person is autistic, do not touch them nor hug them without their permission. If they say no, don't take it personally, it has nothing to do with you, it has to do with them.
If you do not know if a person is autistic and they reacted in a way that YOU think was rude or YOU think you offended them, again do not take it personally. They probably are autistic and doesn't feel comfortable in disclosing it. Again, it is NOT about you.
Whenever this is depicted in a show, it usually is presented as something annoying, bad, evil, and rude. In this particular show, I like how they did not do that. They turned it into something light, something people noticed but did not make a huge fuss about it.
In the court scene, they even made it a little comedic scene because the judge answered back after she repeated what he said. In other shows, they'll probably have the judge reprimand her and probably ask for her dismissal for making his court a monkey court.
In the show, this was depicted as counting down before entering her supervisor's office. It's like preparing herself for something. Taking a deep breath. Getting her nerves ready.
This is a common trait amongst us autistics, although in varying degrees. If an autistic can not find a way to cope up with this, it practically paralyzes us from doing anything.
For example. Neurotypicals (a.k.a. "feeling normal and superior") gets nervous when going in interviews.
Many autistics don't just get nervous. It's like pushing a huge rock uphill for many of us. It usually starts with applying. It's too hard to send our CV because we already know (1) they are going to call us (which many of us hates); (2) we have to shake hands (which many of us hates); (3) we have to make eye contact (which again many of us hates); (4) when we arrive at the interview schedule, they'll make us wait (which we hate big time); and the list goes on. So, if we can't push ourselves to do it, it paralyzes us.
In the show, the character also observed (hospital scene) first before meeting them. It helps in preparing herself and to anticipate things, then took a deep breath. For non-autistics, they'll dismiss it as "she's bracing herself because she knew the husband and was afraid of him". Maybe, maybe not. Personally, I'm more inclined that she was not afraid of him … at all. She knew she might lose it once the husband starts his tirade.
Ooh, I love this one. Almost all neurotypicals (a.k.a. "feeling normal and superior") fail to see things already right in front of their faces. Almost all austistics see what you can not see.
This was perfectly exemplified with that iron that does look like a whale. At first it was meaningless but later in the case, it was a stepping stone which led to the solution.
That is accurate. And because we see (and hear) a lot of things, it is one reason why we experience sensory overload. (Yeah it's interconnected.)
They did well in expressing sensory overload or sensory sensitivity in a simple, natural way. These are:
- wearing of ear plugs (waking up scene)
- taste sensitivity (breakfast scene)
- too much awareness of one's surroundings (train scene)
Most of us autistics have varying degrees of sensory sensitivity, and when there is simply too much, we enter into sensory overload situation.
For example, in the train scene, the crowd and the nearness of people creates a sensory overload. There are different ways that we autistics cope with it and if we fail at that … we need to run as far away from the crowd, the noise, and everything else, otherwise we're going to have a meltdown -- by that it means, our energy will be completely drained.
In the train scene, the character's way of coping with it is to listen to whale sounds. This is actually a common coping mechanism: draining one's senses of something to help tune out everything else. For example, one of my coping mechanism is to fill my thoughts with a particular problem that is not easy to solve. Or, if I am with someone, I will keep on talking about "senseless" things to help me drown out everything else.
We even get irritated at small sounds most non-autistics can not hear. I hate those small sounds myself, it can wake me up too, but most people don't hear it.
Yet another trait rarely seen in shows. The most common depiction is having a lot of toys or a thick blanket (and they even use the wrong type of blanket!) In episode 1, they decided to depict the less seen in a show, lots of pillows.
While many autistics prefer weighted blankets or sensory blankets, not everyone does. Some simply prefer to have a lot of soft things around them.
Again, kudos for choosing to show this instead of the overly used toys and incorrect blankets.
Accurate. I do that myself. Other autistics do it differently, like swaying forward and backward (which I sometimes do myself).
This is the first time I saw this depicted in a show. Usually they use "murmurs", when an autistic talks to himself/herself; or scratches their arms. While there are autistics who do that, it is not always the case.
Kudos to episode 1 for showing a different one.
Summary: So far, the writer and director got everything correctly and there were no exaggerated/sensationalized scenes re: autistic and autism, in general or otherwise.
My hopes are high they will maintain this "pureness" instead of adding things that does not represent us autistics.
Detailed feedback: (see long thread below)
EDIT:
Apologies for the "feeling normal and superior". I just hate the word "normal" when it comes to autism discussion because "normal" is relative (and in this subject, the majority). But I have to explain what "neurotypical" is without implying that "normal" is "normal".
It has no other meaning other than being the "majority". Think of it this way, if the situation is reversed wherein autistics are the majority of the population, "normal" would mean the autistics.
^_^
It has nothing to do with "everyone is different", it has to do with how they portray us autistics. There are still in the media and showbiz who still misrepresent us.
EDIT: To make it more clearer.
I am talking about how the media / showbiz is portraying us. I am not talking about if we austistics are similar or different. I am an autistic so I know first-hand how different we are from other autistics.
However, media and showbiz is a totally different matter. What you see does not necessarily mean that's how we autistics are. This is NOT new, we've been fighting the misinformation about autistics for decades now.
That means trouble. Could be the death of Yoo Mi's stolen identity.
OR
The real Anna might let her in exchange for a deal. Which would mean, Yoo Mi's new identity will continue to live and change her for better or for worse.