it s the same in france, media are doing the same crap job
Same here in the U.S., but somehow it's a whole other level in Korea. It seems like all the Western countries have been in a hysteria about alleged sexual misconduct, be it rape, groping, or even just a suggestive comment. The press here is careful to always use words like "alleged," or "reported," but they're just covering their asses. In every other way the accusations are reported as if proven to be true.
And men lose their jobs instantly over things that are accusations, not facts, or their careers are destroyed. But again, it's a whole other level in Korea, and I think it's about the shame-based nature of their culture.
Are you familiar with the American actor Kevin Spacey? Oscar winner, lead in a long-running, successful series, lots of great performances in other major films over a period of years. Then one waiter in a bar accused him of "sexual assault," and after that the worms came out of the woodwork to accuse him of silly shit from many years earlier.
The press assumed it was all true, he was fired from his star role in the series, dragged through the mud, outed as gay (though that was an open secret) and a few of these allegations went to trial, including one in England. He has been found not guilty in every case, and that waiter later recanted his accusation completely. It's horrifying.
I'm waiting, hoping he sues the shit out of some people, and I hope LSK's widow does the same.
But again, I think the Korean press is especially nasty, relentless, and vicious in a way that makes the Americans and French look positively gentle. I've watched Korean news broadcasts on Youtube with subtitles and they don't use words like "alleged" or "reported" with any great regularity.
And I saw an online Korean news story which read, "...investigation into LSK's drug use..." NOT alleged, reported or accused, the story stated it as if it was a fact.
I blocked iarami ,shes part of the problem with stuff like this happening.All they do is make assumptions and…
The membership of MDL is 25% American. Can you believe that shit? I am one of them. Until I found that out, I assumed I was, like, one in a hundred here.
A lot of the self-righteous, judgmental, sex-phobic, hyper-SJW/PC, know-it-all, Church Lady BS comes from young American women who have been brainwashed by super-PC university environments that encourage that mode of seeing the world. They have no inkling of how Puritanical and censorious they are; not in the least.
It is NOT only a Korean issue. It is an issue for all of us international fans who watch the shows these people…
"But that's what Korean society and the Korean news media/police do. They harass the person so long, they will eventually say they're guilty just to get it to stop."
Precisely. When you are beaten over the head over and over and over with false accusations and assertions, you lose your bearings and just collapse. This is how corrupt cops get innocent people to "confess." It's what the Seoul cops did to LSK in THREE endless interrogations, the last one lasting for NINETEEN hours, before he gave up and checked out.
As for Choi JS and Choi JY's mom, omg, I know, I know. Which is what makes it all the harder to conceive of what CJY's mindset must have been when he killed himself, to make him go ahead with it, knowing what it would do to his mother. However, depression isn't rational. At its base, it is the result of a chemical imbalance in the brain which affects every aspect of one's thinking. From that black pit of despair, he likely had no thought of his mother at all; just that oblivion would end his agony. I don't judge those who die by suicide.
And I hate when people say suicide is "selfish" or "cowardly." Give me a break. How many people stare into the black unknown of death and walk right into it despite their fear? Seems brave to me. As for "selfish," seriously, fuck whoever says that. Who are they to judge?
There is a video of the Chois' mom on what I believe was the first anniversary of her son's death. She is at his grave site, which is right next to that of his sister, kneeling down and just wailing and keening. It is one of the most heart-rending sounds I have ever heard.
Choi Ji Sil left behind two young children. That right there shows the power of shame in Korean culture.
The laws of another country exist and are to be respected. The legal process of another country is to be respected.…
WRONG.
Fucked-up laws are NOT to be respected, no matter where. Fucked-up legal systems are NOT to be respected, no matter where. Some countries ARE shit, in some areas, and not others. Some countries are just shit, all-round. I don't care that you think saying the truth out-loud is "rude." People being "rude" is what makes things change.
I'm very against conspiracy theories, but when his friends are asking for a change, it indicates that there's…
Korean media has been downplaying the country's suicide problem for over 25 years. MDL is still doing it now. The article above does NOT MENTION LSK'S MODE OF DEATH AT ALL. Rather, it refers to LSK's "case," as though everyone who happens upon this story should already know everything about its background. It is only in the text of this group's statement of demands that his passing is referenced as a suicide.
In a recent MDL article about LSK having been recognized posthumously with a "Special Award" in memoriam by a film critics' association in Austin, TX, USA, the MDL writer says "Lee Sung Kyuk 'passed away' on December 24, 2023." That's it. That's all. No mention of it having been a suicide in either article.
This is primo-typical of Korean media. They tip-toe around the uncomfortable fact that another celebrity they helped harass and demean has killed themselves.
jesus christ, for the international fans constantly harping and blaming korean culture, read the fucking room.…
It is NOT only a Korean issue. It is an issue for all of us international fans who watch the shows these people make, including LSK, and follow their careers. Yes, this is about due process, and application of laws, but you'll notice he also called for investigations into the conduct of media organizations, including KBS, and the blood on their hands.
What part of these statements do you not understand? Let me know and I'll help you.
"Particular attention should be given to scrutinizing the circumstances and motives behind the exclusive coverage by KBS on November 24..."
Please note the words "motives" and "KBS."
"Taking advantage of the fact that pop culture artists rely on the public's popularity, yellow journalism, including some YouTubers, maliciously leaked unverified information or rushed to make an issue without sufficient coverage or verification procedures. How long should we remain silent about the ills of so-called "cyber wreckers"? Is there truly no solution to this issue?"
Please note his use of the terms "You Tubers" and "cyber wreckers." These would be those trolls you claim this is not about
"Particularly, can we be sure that KBS, which included the deceased's audio of private conversations that were far unrelated to the allegations, reported solely for the public's right to know, risking its reputation as a public broadcaster? We ask all media, including KBS, to promptly delete any content that does not align with the purpose of journalism."
Please note "KBS" (again).
This is anything BUT a legalisms-only, due process-only document/statement. The signatories to this statement want names taken and asses kicked among your precious netizens, the media, and the public too.
Nice try attempting to portray this as a Korea-only issue about which only Koreans have a right to comment, but you're full of it. Korea aggressively markets and distributes its films, dramas and music to countries all around the globe. The income from these product categories totaled over $21 Billion in 2021, and has only grown since then. K-Content is one of Korea's largest export industries in value. Thus we, the international consumers of these Korean products, have every right to express our opinions and ideas on this matter.
Dollars aside, though that seems the only factor that might get through to you, millions of us international fans form deep emotional connections with our Korean favorites, as do all fans everywhere, and I for one am sick of having my heart broken and days darkened by the suicides of my favorite performers. I am not particularly young, so for me this Korean suicide madness has been going on a long time. Below, a short list of the epically-talented stars I loved and lost to Korea's psycho fan/celebrity dynamic:
Choi Jin Sil ("the nation's actress") 2008 Choi Jin Young (actor and younger brother of Choi Jin Sil) 2008 Park Yong Ha (actor/singer) 2010 Kim Jonghyun (SHINee Lead Singer, soloist) 2017 Goo Hara (K-Pop singer) 2019 Cha In Ha (singer/actor "Love With Flaws") 2019 Rapper Iron (Chung Heon-chul) 2021 Moonbin (of super-K-pop group Astro) 2023 Lee Sung Kyuk 2023
Those are just the ones off the top of my head. There are dozens more K-entertainment suicides over the last 25 years not listed here.
I don't know if you're Korean or not, but kiss my ass with your "international fans butt-out" BS. Korea has the highest per-capita rate of suicide in the developed world, TWICE the rate of the U.S. You may not care about that, but lots of us do.
Where were all these people when he was alive? What happened to him was a shame. I hope there can be real changes…
The ones among them who were close to LSK, including the director of Parasite, were probably in frequent touch with him by phone or in person, to offer support and encouragement. What makes you think otherwise?
How could it be "too late for him?" It was bestowed as an honor in the aftermath of his death. It's a POSTHUMOUS…
Jacob Nordby's work is a source of great comfort and understanding of myself and how I interact with the world. Through him, I embraced my "weirdness" and learned to see it as the gift it is. I was born weird, by the standards of the "normals," and I'm glad of it.
Nordby continues to help me live as a stranger in a strange land.
Regarding this article and the recent suicide of Lee Sun Kyuk, I've been emotional on this subject long before he left us. Far too many gifted Koreans have been hounded to their death just as he was.
How could it be "too late for him?" It was bestowed as an honor in the aftermath of his death. It's a POSTHUMOUS award given IN MEMORIAM. You have to be dead to get one of those, and Korea's poisonous performer/fan sub-culture is the reason he was eligible.
Actor Lee Sun Kyun passed away on December 27, 2023."
MDL, one more time: LSK did NOT just "pass away on December 27, 2023." He died by suicide after being harassed and humiliated for two months by Korean investigators and police, slimy netizens online, media institutions like KBS which has zero news/ethical standards, and much of the Korean public.
Why is it so hard to simply tell the complete truth? Yet ANOTHER Korean celebrity suicide, and you're tip-toeing around the facts with euphemisms and evasive language. Do your job.
"Actor Lee Sun Kyun died by suicide on December 27, 2023, after being harassed for two months by Seoul police who leaked details of the investigation to the press, netizens online, media institutions such as KBS, and much of the Korean public. Shortly before his death, he was subjected to a 19 hours-long interrogation by the Seoul Police Department, the third such questioning in two months. Lee Sun Kyun was found dead of carbon monoxide poisoning in his automobile near a Seoul park."
Haven't watched it but just saw a clip on Youtube literally came here to comment the same thing and she does it…
Amazing but unsurprising that you're commenting to object to a movie's supposed pro-cheating message when you haven't watched the damn thing yet.
No, FAR fewer people complain about violence than about sex scenes and you know it. Your attempt to lump violence in the same category with sex and nudity is telling. You're a prude.
Please provide a quote where I asserted that people are NOT allowed to discuss things they do or don't like. You won't find one because I never said that.
However, "discussion" includes interaction with people who disagree with you. You can say anything you want, but don't expect you'll never be challenged on your statements.
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And men lose their jobs instantly over things that are accusations, not facts, or their careers are destroyed. But again, it's a whole other level in Korea, and I think it's about the shame-based nature of their culture.
Are you familiar with the American actor Kevin Spacey? Oscar winner, lead in a long-running, successful series, lots of great performances in other major films over a period of years. Then one waiter in a bar accused him of "sexual assault," and after that the worms came out of the woodwork to accuse him of silly shit from many years earlier.
The press assumed it was all true, he was fired from his star role in the series, dragged through the mud, outed as gay (though that was an open secret) and a few of these allegations went to trial, including one in England. He has been found not guilty in every case, and that waiter later recanted his accusation completely. It's horrifying.
I'm waiting, hoping he sues the shit out of some people, and I hope LSK's widow does the same.
But again, I think the Korean press is especially nasty, relentless, and vicious in a way that makes the Americans and French look positively gentle. I've watched Korean news broadcasts on Youtube with subtitles and they don't use words like "alleged" or "reported" with any great regularity.
And I saw an online Korean news story which read, "...investigation into LSK's drug use..." NOT alleged, reported or accused, the story stated it as if it was a fact.
A lot of the self-righteous, judgmental, sex-phobic, hyper-SJW/PC, know-it-all, Church Lady BS comes from young American women who have been brainwashed by super-PC university environments that encourage that mode of seeing the world. They have no inkling of how Puritanical and censorious they are; not in the least.
Precisely. When you are beaten over the head over and over and over with false accusations and assertions, you lose your bearings and just collapse. This is how corrupt cops get innocent people to "confess." It's what the Seoul cops did to LSK in THREE endless interrogations, the last one lasting for NINETEEN hours, before he gave up and checked out.
As for Choi JS and Choi JY's mom, omg, I know, I know. Which is what makes it all the harder to conceive of what CJY's mindset must have been when he killed himself, to make him go ahead with it, knowing what it would do to his mother. However, depression isn't rational. At its base, it is the result of a chemical imbalance in the brain which affects every aspect of one's thinking. From that black pit of despair, he likely had no thought of his mother at all; just that oblivion would end his agony. I don't judge those who die by suicide.
And I hate when people say suicide is "selfish" or "cowardly." Give me a break. How many people stare into the black unknown of death and walk right into it despite their fear? Seems brave to me. As for "selfish," seriously, fuck whoever says that. Who are they to judge?
There is a video of the Chois' mom on what I believe was the first anniversary of her son's death. She is at his grave site, which is right next to that of his sister, kneeling down and just wailing and keening. It is one of the most heart-rending sounds I have ever heard.
Choi Ji Sil left behind two young children. That right there shows the power of shame in Korean culture.
Korea: 24.6 suicides per 100,000 people
Fucked-up laws are NOT to be respected, no matter where.
Fucked-up legal systems are NOT to be respected, no matter where.
Some countries ARE shit, in some areas, and not others.
Some countries are just shit, all-round.
I don't care that you think saying the truth out-loud is "rude." People being "rude" is what makes things change.
You are the one being immature here.
In a recent MDL article about LSK having been recognized posthumously with a "Special Award" in memoriam by a film critics' association in Austin, TX, USA, the MDL writer says "Lee Sung Kyuk 'passed away' on December 24, 2023." That's it. That's all. No mention of it having been a suicide in either article.
This is primo-typical of Korean media. They tip-toe around the uncomfortable fact that another celebrity they helped harass and demean has killed themselves.
Disgusting.
What part of these statements do you not understand? Let me know and I'll help you.
"Particular attention should be given to scrutinizing the circumstances and motives behind the exclusive coverage by KBS on November 24..."
Please note the words "motives" and "KBS."
"Taking advantage of the fact that pop culture artists rely on the public's popularity, yellow journalism, including some YouTubers, maliciously leaked unverified information or rushed to make an issue without sufficient coverage or verification procedures. How long should we remain silent about the ills of so-called "cyber wreckers"? Is there truly no solution to this issue?"
Please note his use of the terms "You Tubers" and "cyber wreckers." These would be those trolls you claim this is not about
"Particularly, can we be sure that KBS, which included the deceased's audio of private conversations that were far unrelated to the allegations, reported solely for the public's right to know, risking its reputation as a public broadcaster? We ask all media, including KBS, to promptly delete any content that does not align with the purpose of journalism."
Please note "KBS" (again).
This is anything BUT a legalisms-only, due process-only document/statement. The signatories to this statement want names taken and asses kicked among your precious netizens, the media, and the public too.
Nice try attempting to portray this as a Korea-only issue about which only Koreans have a right to comment, but you're full of it. Korea aggressively markets and distributes its films, dramas and music to countries all around the globe. The income from these product categories totaled over $21 Billion in 2021, and has only grown since then. K-Content is one of Korea's largest export industries in value. Thus we, the international consumers of these Korean products, have every right to express our opinions and ideas on this matter.
Dollars aside, though that seems the only factor that might get through to you, millions of us international fans form deep emotional connections with our Korean favorites, as do all fans everywhere, and I for one am sick of having my heart broken and days darkened by the suicides of my favorite performers. I am not particularly young, so for me this Korean suicide madness has been going on a long time. Below, a short list of the epically-talented stars I loved and lost to Korea's psycho fan/celebrity dynamic:
Choi Jin Sil ("the nation's actress") 2008
Choi Jin Young (actor and younger brother of Choi Jin Sil) 2008
Park Yong Ha (actor/singer) 2010
Kim Jonghyun (SHINee Lead Singer, soloist) 2017
Goo Hara (K-Pop singer) 2019
Cha In Ha (singer/actor "Love With Flaws") 2019
Rapper Iron (Chung Heon-chul) 2021
Moonbin (of super-K-pop group Astro) 2023
Lee Sung Kyuk 2023
Those are just the ones off the top of my head. There are dozens more K-entertainment suicides over the last 25 years not listed here.
I don't know if you're Korean or not, but kiss my ass with your "international fans butt-out" BS. Korea has the highest per-capita rate of suicide in the developed world, TWICE the rate of the U.S. You may not care about that, but lots of us do.
Nordby continues to help me live as a stranger in a strange land.
Regarding this article and the recent suicide of Lee Sun Kyuk, I've been emotional on this subject long before he left us. Far too many gifted Koreans have been hounded to their death just as he was.
MDL, one more time: LSK did NOT just "pass away on December 27, 2023." He died by suicide after being harassed and humiliated for two months by Korean investigators and police, slimy netizens online, media institutions like KBS which has zero news/ethical standards, and much of the Korean public.
Why is it so hard to simply tell the complete truth? Yet ANOTHER Korean celebrity suicide, and you're tip-toeing around the facts with euphemisms and evasive language. Do your job.
"Actor Lee Sun Kyun died by suicide on December 27, 2023, after being harassed for two months by Seoul police who leaked details of the investigation to the press, netizens online, media institutions such as KBS, and much of the Korean public. Shortly before his death, he was subjected to a 19 hours-long interrogation by the Seoul Police Department, the third such questioning in two months. Lee Sun Kyun was found dead of carbon monoxide poisoning in his automobile near a Seoul park."
There. Fixed that for you.
No, FAR fewer people complain about violence than about sex scenes and you know it. Your attempt to lump violence in the same category with sex and nudity is telling. You're a prude.
Please provide a quote where I asserted that people are NOT allowed to discuss things they do or don't like. You won't find one because I never said that.
However, "discussion" includes interaction with people who disagree with you. You can say anything you want, but don't expect you'll never be challenged on your statements.