idontwanttothanks

Yeah, morals aren't really my concern with this show. I think we're coming at it from two different places and that's fine. I like that Sand found out sooner than later, and yeah, it was cruel, but to my mind it would have been crueler to watch Ray continuously put Sand aside whenever Mew crooked his finger, which was another way it could go (and frankly still might, but at least now if Sand puts himself in the situation for that to happen he's doing it with full knowledge).

I liked parts of it better - I liked that Sand seemed to be more tough. I was a little surprised by how he wound up turning out. Still hoping for that baseball bat though...

But I won't pretend I don't also kind of love the chaos.

HUNTER WHAT IS UP WITH YOU.

Wild theory: he's a ghost.

The first trailer isn't really a trailer, per se. It's more a concept than a final product, something they filmed for the line up only. Some (or a lot of) stuff might be similar, but it was never meant to be the actual trailer.

People quit dramas for all types of reasons. Personally I'd rather they quit than clutter up the page with constant complaints because they don't like something.

I like TopMew even if they exactly as presented. *shrug*

Personally I think the stiltedness people keep complaining about is on purpose, but even if it isn't it still works.

My least favorite couple is SandRay, so...there you go, lol.

I agree about Boston and Nick. They are the only two I can see making it, maybe more in a "they deserve each other way" than a "happily ever after" way, but still. They're both creeps with no boundaries. And I say that affectionately.

First thought: oooh this has the guy who played Nat from Gay OK Bangkok I'm in!

Second thought: Sometimes you just want a good tear jerker, I'm definitely in.

I hope it airs on youtube as well though since I won't get iQiyi. I have enough subscriptions.

No but for real. If he wasn't around causing chaos, when would anything (and my "anything" I mean "mess") get done? Thank goodness he's around to do the most.

Truly, I just think that everything Boston does annoys Top. I would like to say I get it, but frankly Boston isn't that character for me. I can't wait to see what my favorite menace does next.

I also think that he felt some kind of way about he fact that he knows that Nick knows about him and Boston, but Boston has no clue the dude he's all over right now has a literal sex audio of him and Mew knows nothing (as far as we know). It had to be a surreal experience.

Oh huh, I just realized that Sand's episode was a mirror to Ray's. Both of them starting the ep out with a narration where they believe one thing, and ending it with another when they have been shown how untrue that belief is. Yeowch.

Yes I love it. And you can binge it all in one day if you have a whole day to yourself - the seasons are both short.

Have you seen Gay OK Bangkok? It's another Jojo series and while I do not think that it will be exactly like the way that show ends is very much in the same vein as how I expect OF to end. If GMMTV let them get away with it, that is.

No. This is not that kind of BL.

Oh man the internal debate about whether I should say anything was real and it was *rough*

But then again I have never been capable of shutting up so here we go with my unpopular opinions.

Short answer: I don't think he cares much about Sand as a person and he *definitely* does not see him as a viable romantic partner.

I think he finds Sand sexy and interesting and fun, but he treats him and his life like a tourist attraction. He does not respect Sand and he belittled every single step of their little day together. Literally everything they did, Ray had some snide rich boy comment to make. When he had to ride a bike? Whining about air conditioning and being dusty. Buying secondhand clothes? Comments about being cheap, several more about how these aren't things he wears, etc. When he then is complimented on the shirt Sand ultimately decided on? "It's secondhand." The concert? Complaining about location. When they thought that Sand's mom was being shaken down by debt collectors, he treated it like a fun stop on a tour, then was immediately judgy about where Sand brought them. It was literally every damn step of the way.

I'm not complaining about this because it's exactly the kind of class discrepancy commentary that I wanted but haven't yet gotten from Dangerous Romance, but I also think him doing all this showcases how little a relationship between them would really work and how little Ray cares about Sand as a person. Pretty much the only time he shut up about Sand's weird poor life was when he was trying to get him to play with his dick. And I think that's very telling about how he sees Sand and what use he has for him.

It also makes a lot of sense why it would suddenly be a problem that *Boston* thought they were together, when he didn't have the same problem with Nick. Oh, part of it is his Mew feelings, I'm sure, but also part of it is he doesn't want Boston to think that he thinks Sand is on his level, and that's...well. We saw shades of this already in the very first episode, so I'm not entirely surprised. I am just disappointed that Sand's not gonna get it for a while yet, if in fact he ever does. For Ray, I really think he's a placeholder until someone that Ray finds worthy comes along. Sure he's fixated on Mew right now but I think the issue is a bit deeper.

I don't think it's entirely conscious but that makes it worse, imo. I think Ray means it when he says he cares about Sand's feelings but I think that care only reaches as far as Sand is useful to Ray - to forget about Mew, to take him out of his own head for a few hours, to drive him home when he's too drunk to do it himself and to sex him up when he's horny.

I'm not saying that it's impossible that Ray won't change - I think change for all these characters is inevitable. I am saying they're gonna have to do a lot of work after this episode to convince me these two can even be *friends*, let alone anything else (although I have been very vocal about not believing these two are endgame anyway so I don't think the show will have to convince me of that lol).

I would eat that up mostly because I love the idea of SandMew. I just want them to make out a little, is that so wrong? Everyone else is!

I am team make mess babe and Boston is right there doing the most.

Mine:

1. Sand, duh
2. Boston (yes Boston)
3. Ray
4. Top
5. Mew (baby what are you doing)
6. Nick (same as above but this is entirely because of the Dad Makeover. No Nick no)

I kind of love this comment. Especially the last bit. You are right and you should say it. Nick is never ever letting Boston go (whether Boston wants him to or not, probably).

Oh no I'm not saying he was being a friend. He was being a jerk, completely. He was taking his feelings about Top and Mew sleeping together out on Ray and Sand for sure. But he wasn't wrong. *shrugs* Yeah it sucks that he did it out of bitterness and spite but it was something Sand would have had to learn eventually and frankly, I'm not really that mad at Boston about it.

Ray's feelings don't interest me much. I think he's using Mew and Sand (but I think even if he doesn't love either of them, he *thinks* he loves Mew and that makes the difference), and I think what he really needs is to get off the bottle and to get some intensive therapy. Until then it'll just be an endless cycle of him finding someone new to fixate on. Once Sand gets fed up he'll find someone else because that's how life works for Ray. I'm not blaming him, but I think that he needs to do a lot of work on himself before he can be with someone else and my preference for Sand makes me want him to do it far away from him.