He is being incredibly rude and dismissive to the FL. That is not a way to ensure that your friendship survives.…
It’s not that deep, you’re making him sound abusive almost. I mean what is he supposed to do and be in this situation, her sycophant? She’s yelling and acting inconsistent with him too. One minute hugging him the next minute talking about her new BF. One minute telling him she wouldn’t go back to her ex the next minute talking with her girl friend about how she still loves her ex.
I bet you would be singing a different tune though if the roles were reversed and she was the guy and he was the girl. Probably you just feel this way just bc she’s pretty and you side with actress. 100% if she wasn’t pretty or if the gender roles were reversed you and others like you would be acting very differently. Maybe you would be able to think for yourself if you weren’t so biased 🙄
He’s trying to sort out what he needs to do and he actually didn’t yell at all the first time in the parking lot of the police station — he pretty calmly and directly stated it can’t always be like old times and let’s please respect each others privacy. How is that not healthy? I don’t know how a person can lay down a boundary more straightforwardly than that. She chose to push and prod anyway (she meant well, but she still ignored his request) and it started to uncover some angst. Sure she’s confused but so what. She’ll live. I mean she can stand to be confused and give him his space for a second or she can deal with the angst and conflict of pushing that boundary for answers. He’s not in charge of her feelings. He’s only trying to navigate his own.
He’s avoiding her he’s not punishing her - HUGE difference. The guy is allowed to have secrets and emotions just as much as she is, and she LITERALLY treats him the same way on a regular basis. They bicker, it’s what they do.
You’re entitled to your opinion of course but I just don’t think this is a big deal. If he were manipulating her, intentionally trying to make her feel small, pushing her around, controlling her. Yea. That would be abuse. That would be a hell no dump his butt. But he’s not doing anything like that, in fact his behavior is pretty much the opposite. At most he’s being broody and moody and she’s confused by it.
He’s been nothing but supportive and having her back in ALL the essential moments of her life. He has one or two bad days because he’s wrestling with the timing and his feelings and suddenly he’s trash. SUPER harsh, imo. Especially given that the female lead fusses and yells at him plenty and pushes him away when she wants to be alone, etc. That’s such a double standard to me.
I kind of feel like in life if a person expects understanding from other without being willing to give much or any understanding themselves, that’s pretty selfish. No matter how close or well someone knows somebody else, there’s always a lot that we don’t know or see. And even the FL sees that and isn’t getting offended but just starts putting the dots together in her head to ask him directly. This is a normal conflict and conflict is just a part of all RELATIONSHIPS—assuming it is an actual relationship and truly goes both ways. It’s just a sign that their relationship is growing…or trying to. So long as they both work through this without crossing any REAL lines it will resolve and the relationship will be stronger and better for it. Or they will be at a standstill and it won’t grow at all, I guess we have to watch the rest to find out.
Also so what if he’s scared, that’s normal. They go back ages. There’s a lot to lose in his mind. So he’s more of a slow burn type…so what. People are allowed to be different in how they approach things you know. It’s not a crime for him to need to process more and build up the courage in his own way. He’s hurting himself more than anyone here by waiting and avoiding anyways so it’s for him to figure out. If it goes on for several more episodes, then I agree that’s annoying to watch but it’s not a reason to condemn a person or anything, lmao. It’s frustrating to watch, I agree with you there. But there may be more to it that hasn’t been shown too — like maybe he doesn’t want to burden her with his feeling since they are such good friends and it’s not really clear where she stands. There could be a lot of legitimate reasons for anyone in that position to avoid confessing.
Anyways if you watch episode 7 you’ll see how it pretty much gets resolved really simply…and in a perfectly healthy manner. So I digress.
Sick of this women can act however bratty they want with zero consequences trope — but if a man even thinks…
Still it’s better than the MLs parents who aren’t communicating AT ALL. I’m interested to see if these family dynamics will arc more satisfyingly over time.
Sick of this women can act however bratty they want with zero consequences trope — but if a man even thinks about looking at a woman “wrong” he’s trash. The FL’s mom should have apologized to her husband but instead she just smacked him around and blamed and scolded him MORE for feeling inferior 🙄. She was in the wrong not him. The woman has serious anger management issues and character disorder.
It really upset me that she never even bothered to say she was sorry. Just twisted into stop being down! Be cheerful! Like lady why do you think he feels inferior in the first place he literally said it’s because you treat him like a fool constantly backing him into a corner. At least she stood by him and clearly loves him, but it all felt so manipulative to me bc of the lack of accountability on her part. Like “let me just control my husbands understanding of his fault without even so much as acknowledging my own…but we’re in this together!! But let’s be clear he was wrong, so as long as he learns from me and understands and acts and reacts exactly how I think he should it’s ok”……Not healthy.
He is being incredibly rude and dismissive to the FL. That is not a way to ensure that your friendship survives.…
Nah we just don’t hate men or hold a double standard. It doesn’t matter how attractive a guy is, if he’s got a crappy character he’s automatically unattractive in my brain. But the ML isn’t being any more rude than the FL. Hes not punishing her either, he’s trying to communicate a boundary.
Guys he is not being mean he is trying to make sure their friendship survives because he thinks there is no chance…
Agreed, FL needs boundaries.
It bothered me how he was acting the first time I watched it, but after more thought and rewatching the episode I realized he’s actually behaving rather reasonably.
He’s right they aren’t kids anymore, the dynamic needs to change. And he’s processing everything as best he can. So what if he needs a little more time and space to work things out, it’s really none of her business even though she keeps making it her business with the excuse of but we’re close! I mean she’s been bulldozing him since they were kids let’s be honest. She means well, but even so. Just because that’s been the dynamic between them in the past doesn’t mean it’s always appropriate.
Yea she doesn’t know why he’s suddenly acting cold and distancing himself, but why is that his problem. He could confess, but obviously the timing is not right and he may not want to burden her with it when he’s hearing things like she’s still in love with her ex fiancé. She’s also being kind of thoughtless and is all over the place with him. I guess he’s just supposed to be responsible for everything while treating her like a china doll princess. That’s just unrealistic. She has just as much a part to play in this conflict as him, and she can give him some space for a MINUTE. I mean it won’t kill her.
Also he’s a guy. Guys process things differently from girls and that’s ok.
He’s stuck between a rock and a hard place in a lot of ways, it’s only natural to get frustrated when someone pressures you in that situation - whether they realize what they’re doing or not. He wasn’t mean he was just fed up and conflicted and laying down a boundary. She’s always doing clumsy things and it’s forgiven without any thought. Why can’t he be allowed some messy moments too? The guys not a robot.
Establishing firm boundaries where there were none ALWAYS feels harsh and abusive to those on the other end that struggle to understand or respect healthier boundaries. But it’s a fair thing to ask for given their longstanding relationship and his dilemma.
Can someone explain the timeline to me a bit please? So he liked her since high school and still liked her when…
The FL was on break visiting Korea in that scene where she spotted the ML and Taehui kissing in the car.
She said something to the effect of “things sure have gotten loose in Korea since I’ve been away” before she tapped on the window and realized who it was, implying that the ML starting dating his ex well after the FL had been in the US, probably since he visited her and came to find she was dating in the US
The theories I’ve heard so far are (1) illness (2) failed or secret pregnancy (3) mental health. Isn’t her…
Also they still haven’t revealed what she was up to when out in the morning with that packet … back in ep 2, before her room got remodeled.
If it was a health issue maybe she was working out her will or something. To help the ML $$ wise. Or maybe it was something else entirely.
Her being sick could also explain why she said it was her fault that the engagement broke off despite us being led to believe that the ex simply cheated. Maybe it’s a bit more complicated than we realize.
I know some are hating on SH for the way he's behaving, but I kinda get him. He had feelings for her for so many…
I also think he’s trying to establish boundaries. Which is fair. The FL is kind of all over the place and sometimes people just a little time and space to process things. Plus shes never going to see him as anything other than a friend if the dynamic doesn’t change.
My only beef with the guy is that he’s making mountains out of molehills a little bit and that he keeps avoiding and then placing the blame on poor timing. The real problem is his own timidity and fear…and thinking he can just keep putting this off. That mentality is exactly how he lost her the first time around, so I don’t get why he isn’t more motivated to learn from that and give himself a fighting chance.
it's a normal BUT childish/immature reaction. I feel like i'd expect this from someone in their 20s, but feels…
this is true, just looking at how his parent interact it’s like everyone stuffs and buries emotions in that house … while also acting kind of passsive aggressive bc they’re not communicating. It’s fine so long as his character actually arcs and he does own up fully and learn the lesson. it’ll be annoying if that gets dragged out too much longer tho.
OMFG I HATE IT WHEN THE ML STARTS BEING AN ABSOLUTE A*S TO FL WHEN THEY REALIZE THEIR FEELINGS ✊🏽✊🏽
I totally agree…but to be fair, I think he is subconsciously trying to lay down boundaries which are needed.
They aren’t kids anymore, he’s right about that. He’s not exactly handling this like an adult himself here…but I think he’s just trying - very clumsily - to establish more boundaries which is actually good if they hope to make any progress.
I mean he’s doing it in an immature way for sure, but clearly his parents aren’t very communicative so expressing emotions in a healthy open way seems like a skill he may be struggling to develop.
He could be more reasonable with his reactions but then too like his ex said that’s a sign of his true lingering feelings that hes been avoiding. He can’t seem to get a handle on his feelings no matter how much time, distance, etc. that there is.
If his character doesn’t arc super quickly from here then I’ll be pissed but rn it feels like he’s working through things and almost subconsciously trying to shake up their usual friend-zone, no boundaries, relationship to be different …
That said, I do think it would be better if he would have AT LEAST taken a little more accountability for being in this tough situation in the first place tho. Instead of taking it out on her or throwing a pity party about it. For instance. He could have confessed his feelings to her sooner, before she left for the states. The timing was off when he finally decided to confess partly because he waited so long — until she was settled in a new country going to college and also kind of lonely. I mean…what do you expect to happen? It doesn’t feel like he ever fought very hard for her in the first place, so he really only has himself to blame. I feel like this should push his emotions in a different direction rather than all broody but anyways. His character definitely has some opportunity for growth, I just hope they sort it out quickly and properly…I cannot stand this broody nonsense being dragged out for much longer.
I bet you would be singing a different tune though if the roles were reversed and she was the guy and he was the girl. Probably you just feel this way just bc she’s pretty and you side with actress. 100% if she wasn’t pretty or if the gender roles were reversed you and others like you would be acting very differently. Maybe you would be able to think for yourself if you weren’t so biased 🙄
He’s trying to sort out what he needs to do and he actually didn’t yell at all the first time in the parking lot of the police station — he pretty calmly and directly stated it can’t always be like old times and let’s please respect each others privacy. How is that not healthy? I don’t know how a person can lay down a boundary more straightforwardly than that. She chose to push and prod anyway (she meant well, but she still ignored his request) and it started to uncover some angst. Sure she’s confused but so what. She’ll live. I mean she can stand to be confused and give him his space for a second or she can deal with the angst and conflict of pushing that boundary for answers. He’s not in charge of her feelings. He’s only trying to navigate his own.
He’s avoiding her he’s not punishing her - HUGE difference. The guy is allowed to have secrets and emotions just as much as she is, and she LITERALLY treats him the same way on a regular basis. They bicker, it’s what they do.
You’re entitled to your opinion of course but I just don’t think this is a big deal. If he were manipulating her, intentionally trying to make her feel small, pushing her around, controlling her. Yea. That would be abuse. That would be a hell no dump his butt. But he’s not doing anything like that, in fact his behavior is pretty much the opposite. At most he’s being broody and moody and she’s confused by it.
He’s been nothing but supportive and having her back in ALL the essential moments of her life. He has one or two bad days because he’s wrestling with the timing and his feelings and suddenly he’s trash. SUPER harsh, imo. Especially given that the female lead fusses and yells at him plenty and pushes him away when she wants to be alone, etc. That’s such a double standard to me.
I kind of feel like in life if a person expects understanding from other without being willing to give much or any understanding themselves, that’s pretty selfish. No matter how close or well someone knows somebody else, there’s always a lot that we don’t know or see. And even the FL sees that and isn’t getting offended but just starts putting the dots together in her head to ask him directly. This is a normal conflict and conflict is just a part of all RELATIONSHIPS—assuming it is an actual relationship and truly goes both ways. It’s just a sign that their relationship is growing…or trying to. So long as they both work through this without crossing any REAL lines it will resolve and the relationship will be stronger and better for it. Or they will be at a standstill and it won’t grow at all, I guess we have to watch the rest to find out.
Also so what if he’s scared, that’s normal. They go back ages. There’s a lot to lose in his mind. So he’s more of a slow burn type…so what. People are allowed to be different in how they approach things you know. It’s not a crime for him to need to process more and build up the courage in his own way. He’s hurting himself more than anyone here by waiting and avoiding anyways so it’s for him to figure out. If it goes on for several more episodes, then I agree that’s annoying to watch but it’s not a reason to condemn a person or anything, lmao. It’s frustrating to watch, I agree with you there. But there may be more to it that hasn’t been shown too — like maybe he doesn’t want to burden her with his feeling since they are such good friends and it’s not really clear where she stands. There could be a lot of legitimate reasons for anyone in that position to avoid confessing.
Anyways if you watch episode 7 you’ll see how it pretty much gets resolved really simply…and in a perfectly healthy manner. So I digress.
The ML parents are breaking my heart over here tho 😭I’m anxious to know the real story there
It really upset me that she never even bothered to say she was sorry. Just twisted into stop being down! Be cheerful! Like lady why do you think he feels inferior in the first place he literally said it’s because you treat him like a fool constantly backing him into a corner. At least she stood by him and clearly loves him, but it all felt so manipulative to me bc of the lack of accountability on her part. Like “let me just control my husbands understanding of his fault without even so much as acknowledging my own…but we’re in this together!! But let’s be clear he was wrong, so as long as he learns from me and understands and acts and reacts exactly how I think he should it’s ok”……Not healthy.
It bothered me how he was acting the first time I watched it, but after more thought and rewatching the episode I realized he’s actually behaving rather reasonably.
He’s right they aren’t kids anymore, the dynamic needs to change. And he’s processing everything as best he can. So what if he needs a little more time and space to work things out, it’s really none of her business even though she keeps making it her business with the excuse of but we’re close! I mean she’s been bulldozing him since they were kids let’s be honest. She means well, but even so. Just because that’s been the dynamic between them in the past doesn’t mean it’s always appropriate.
Yea she doesn’t know why he’s suddenly acting cold and distancing himself, but why is that his problem. He could confess, but obviously the timing is not right and he may not want to burden her with it when he’s hearing things like she’s still in love with her ex fiancé. She’s also being kind of thoughtless and is all over the place with him. I guess he’s just supposed to be responsible for everything while treating her like a china doll princess. That’s just unrealistic. She has just as much a part to play in this conflict as him, and she can give him some space for a MINUTE. I mean it won’t kill her.
Also he’s a guy. Guys process things differently from girls and that’s ok.
He’s stuck between a rock and a hard place in a lot of ways, it’s only natural to get frustrated when someone pressures you in that situation - whether they realize what they’re doing or not. He wasn’t mean he was just fed up and conflicted and laying down a boundary. She’s always doing clumsy things and it’s forgiven without any thought. Why can’t he be allowed some messy moments too? The guys not a robot.
Establishing firm boundaries where there were none ALWAYS feels harsh and abusive to those on the other end that struggle to understand or respect healthier boundaries. But it’s a fair thing to ask for given their longstanding relationship and his dilemma.
She said something to the effect of “things sure have gotten loose in Korea since I’ve been away” before she tapped on the window and realized who it was, implying that the ML starting dating his ex well after the FL had been in the US, probably since he visited her and came to find she was dating in the US
If it was a health issue maybe she was working out her will or something. To help the ML $$ wise. Or maybe it was something else entirely.
Her being sick could also explain why she said it was her fault that the engagement broke off despite us being led to believe that the ex simply cheated. Maybe it’s a bit more complicated than we realize.
Isn’t her ex-fiancé a lawyer? I wonder if she wasn’t a victim of some sort of accident or scandal.
My only beef with the guy is that he’s making mountains out of molehills a little bit and that he keeps avoiding and then placing the blame on poor timing. The real problem is his own timidity and fear…and thinking he can just keep putting this off. That mentality is exactly how he lost her the first time around, so I don’t get why he isn’t more motivated to learn from that and give himself a fighting chance.
They aren’t kids anymore, he’s right about that. He’s not exactly handling this like an adult himself here…but I think he’s just trying - very clumsily - to establish more boundaries which is actually good if they hope to make any progress.
I mean he’s doing it in an immature way for sure, but clearly his parents aren’t very communicative so expressing emotions in a healthy open way seems like a skill he may be struggling to develop.
He could be more reasonable with his reactions but then too like his ex said that’s a sign of his true lingering feelings that hes been avoiding. He can’t seem to get a handle on his feelings no matter how much time, distance, etc. that there is.
If his character doesn’t arc super quickly from here then I’ll be pissed but rn it feels like he’s working through things and almost subconsciously trying to shake up their usual friend-zone, no boundaries, relationship to be different …
That said, I do think it would be better if he would have AT LEAST taken a little more accountability for being in this tough situation in the first place tho. Instead of taking it out on her or throwing a pity party about it. For instance. He could have confessed his feelings to her sooner, before she left for the states. The timing was off when he finally decided to confess partly because he waited so long — until she was settled in a new country going to college and also kind of lonely. I mean…what do you expect to happen? It doesn’t feel like he ever fought very hard for her in the first place, so he really only has himself to blame. I feel like this should push his emotions in a different direction rather than all broody but anyways. His character definitely has some opportunity for growth, I just hope they sort it out quickly and properly…I cannot stand this broody nonsense being dragged out for much longer.