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I know!!!! both of these boys make me so sad whenever I think about their situation too long. Pio's mind is such an abyss. And JY's mind (although somewhat hidden from us now) must equally be a place of such despair, to have loss all he loss, and to believe the one light he had in his life was part of it??!! Ah, I can't deal. Pio thinks he's the reason for JY's suffering, and JY must be tormented by the same belief (and this makes me hope we get a deeper dive into his POV in a future episode).

I agree the writer and/or director seem very purposeful in what they are showing to us in the series -- this sort of "one-sided" and unrequited love from Jaein, made clearer by Pio's obsession with JY (and the piano, lol.) Pio can't love Jaein the way she needs. So it would be totally out of the blue if they actually keep them together and marry them off or something. Like you I am hoping it's Jaein who breaks things off b/c she realizes the relationship is not real, and that it is unhealthy and that she deserves better. In many ways it mirrors the thing Pio must do as well -- he also needs to break things off with his mother b/c it's unhealthy and he deserves better.

The teacher abandoned him after JY's "death" and to Pio that meant the teacher never cared for him or really wanted to teach him. Pio still is trying to understand why he is so unlovable, and JY being loved by the teacher means he is the only comparison he has. I could understand his emotions being out of wack b/c of his grieving and insecurity. He can still grieve JY and yet still want to know what made JY better than him and worthy of love and care from the same people he so desperately wants love from.

I keep wondering what his personality would be if he was free from his mother. Like the way he was always smiling with JY. Would he be more open and free? More quick to smile and laugh? The mood swings are definitely mother-induced 😭

yep, I caught that too! he said his name b/c he was genuinely surprised to see him, and then he realized he had to pretend he didn't remember him 😭

My reading comprehension? When I have a PhD in Literature? Sure. Also, you replied to me when no one asked you a thing. Not my fault some of us actually have reasonable arguments as opposed to whatever the hell you posted to scream about Pio because he hurt your feelings or whatever lol. 🙄

wait, I thought it was virgin births. 😭

Lee Jun Young does such a great job in contrasting the innocent, joyful youth version of JY to his more hardened, calculating adult. But what I wouldn't give to see a slip of the old him at some point during these final episodes. I hope we don't have to wait until the last episode for both him and Pio to let their walls down again 😭

not with the girl, but with the piano, perhaps yes.

yep, really good point. With something like Eastern Palace, I wasn't surprised fans wanted the leads to be romantic. But I think most people would expect and even accept this reaction. But if it had been two same-sex leads in the series, we'd have a chorus of dissent.

"Comon human relationships can be deep and emotional without it being romantic .."

We know that. But what's wrong with wanting them to have a romantic connections? There are millions of series and movies about platonic male friendships. That's all that was allowed in the mainstream. And even more about straight relationships. So why do people only get on these boards and say something "doesn't have to be romantic" only about anything that could be read as queercoded. I have never seen anyone come in the comments and say about a het K-drama, that a man and a woman should just be friends. Or ask why people are so desperate to make the male and female leads romantic. Or say they'd just prefer it if the man and woman were siblings.

Do you see how ridiculous that would sound? No one comes and complains about the literal thousands of fans on these boards excited to ship a male and female together.

What that means is that it often feels like a reassertion of a homophobic norm where people don't want queer people to breathe or exist or have complex stories the same way straight people get to have.

Maybe people who only watch straight dramas are...odd.

thisssss!!!!

I can definitely see this playing out.

look I really thought they could pull the surprise brothers trope until I saw the script excerpts...and I can't believe the writer wrote scenes that could be read with that kind of subtext having "surprise siblings!" in mind. also, if we're thinking the teacher is the father, was that man really impregnating two different people back to back?!!! I mean it could happen, but it just feels...a little too much.

I hope it ends as strong as it began. that would truly be satisfying.

😭😭😭 slowest week of my life.

same.

this exactly. he was a literal kid under the control of his mother when it all went down. he needed the autonomy of adulthood and the financial freedom.

It could end up being a plot hole especially if the writing was rushed in order to fit the episode count, things sometimes get loss in the sauce. But for me the timing of Vogel finding the kidnapper, the kidnapper's release and death, JY being revealed as alive, and the picture reveal showing the mother (could it be a CCTV picture and not someone photographing her?)....anyway it all happened so quickly it almost feels orchestrated (and I would love if it was!). but then again it could just be the writers having to make a lot of stuff happen in quick succession for the second act lol.