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Rape cases make up less than 3% of abortions. So let's talk about the 97% first, before we bring up the exceptions. Do you agree that women who were not raped, and are adults, should not be allowed to abort their children? If you say they shouldn't, then it's appropriate to talk about the exceptions, and the extenuating circmstances they present.
But If you think that every woman should be able to get an abortion regardless of reason, then your argument is flawed, and you're using the 3% to justify the overwhelming majority of 97%. That is a dumb argument.

I don't mean to offend, but it takes a particular brand of selfish brattiness combined with laziness to think that having a baby means giving up your life. There are plenty of extremely accomplished mothers, with great careers, who have amazing lives. And there are happy stay at home moms who love their lives. And women who don't have kids at all. People can choose whatever life fits them best, but if you think that the very simple act of having a baby, in this day and age, with all the benefits that modern society allows you, means giving up your life, then you are not a very accomplished person. Maybe set higher expectations of yourself, and society. And I agree, people with mediocre skills, or people who simply don't want babies should probably stay away from having children. There's a very simple solution to that: Birth control. Any person with an IQ over 70 should be capable of doing it. Being responsile with your actions is also a form of competence.

It's funny how all the people who hate this "pro life thingy" have already been allowed to be born, thus benefitting from it.

That would be the only thing that makes sense, but I don't get the feeling that this is what they're going for, otherwise they would have talked about her lackluster appearance already.

No, if you look her up, or look up other dramas she's in, she looks good when she's properly styled. The problem with the lips, in my opinion is that they look completely dehydrated, like she needs a lip balm asap. And some lip color. Lack of colour in your lips ages you like crazy, and her lips are almost the same colour as her skin in most scenes. When you add that awful haircut and the drab clothes, the end result will inevitably be bad.

The hair, makeup and costume department must hate the female lead. She's a beautiful woman, but it's like they are purposely trying to make her look as bad as possible.

I can absolutely understand a young mother, or even an older one, any pregnant woman who finds herself in a difficult situation having those thoughts and thinking it might be better to terminate the pregnancy because she can't provide for her baby. It is a horrible situation to be in and the women going through that deserve support and help.
However, would we accept that reasoning from the mother of a newborn baby? Would we accept her ending the life of her baby because she can't provide for the baby and she thinks they'll have a horrible life? So why are we accepting it when the baby is in the womb? Again, a lot of logical fallacies. And that's because the only question that matters here is: When is a baby a baby? Is it a baby when it's outside the womb? Is it a baby a day before birth? Is it a baby a week before birth? A month? Two months? When is a baby a baby? Because, if it is a baby, none of the reasonings used can be accepted as excuses. We don't end babies' lives just because we're poor, or the father is not around, or because they have health problems. Imagine a mother telling you she ended the life of her 5 year old child because of one of these reasons.
So the one question that actually matters in the abortion debate is when is it a baby? And it is a difficult question that we could debate back and forth for hours. But it is the one question that matters. The rest is just excuses and justifications.

A few points.
Existing laws don't require intent to kill to commit a crime. Manslaughter is a thing for that precise reason. In fact, intent is relevant only in a small amount of types of crime. A drunk driver who runs into another car is not let off the hook just cause he didn't mean to do it.
So the mother's intent has no relevance here. What matters is the result. Do her actions and the doctor's actions result in the death of a human being?

Pro abortion activists argue that it doesn't, that the doctor is simply removing a clump of cells. Anti abortion activists argue that they are actually ending the life of a small baby. The fact that the baby is hidden inside the womb and can't be seen does not change the fact that it is a baby, with a separate dna from the mother's. Neither does the fact that the baby can't survive on it's own yet. A newborn baby can't survive on it's own either. Try leaving a one year old by itself and see how long they live. Babies need and are entitled to their parents' care and attention in order to survive. And if a parent leaves their 1 year old by themselves they will go to prison. So, from this point of view, it is a crime against a tiny human being, the most heinous type of crime.

But if the fetus (latin word for child) is not a baby at all, but only a clump of cells, then there's no problem at all, there's no crime at all. Then why does the mother feel grief and sadness? Why is an abortion a difficult decision? If I were to for example have a mole removed from my skin, I wouldn't feel any grief, any sadness, it would be a very simple and straightforward decision because that is just a clump of cells, and it is indeed my body. And no one would have any issue or try to stop me from lasering my mole, because it is indeed my own body and it's not their problem what I do with it. So why does a mother who has an abortion feel grief? And why are we calling her mother? What is she a mother to? A clump of cells? It seemd to me that there are many logical fallacies here.

Live and let live is a pretty good idea, up to a point.
For example, you can think that stealing is wrong and you don't personally do it. Would you be ok with other people going around stealing? Would you leave your house unlocked in case a thief decides that your belongings look quite nice and they want to have them? Would you stop someone if you saw them stealing an old lady's purse? After all, you should not impose your beliefs on other people.

Same with murder, r*pe and all sorts of other things. The reason we create laws is to draw a line between the behaviours that we want to leave in the "Live and let live" category, and those that we don't. Abortion has been toeing that line for a very long time and it is not a black and white issue. People who are pro abortion typically view it as just removing a bunch of cells. People who are against abortion consider it murder. And so naturally they will be against it being allowed, as we usually are with murders. It is not a black and white issue and it is not as simple as: If you don't like it, just don't do it yourself.

I saw them recently too. Truth be told, the ads do work to an extent, I never would have noticed them before. I don't drink coffee though so I didn't think about getting them.

So, apparently, they get matched by a matchmaking agency :))))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEPl01fpwQs

He did not know about the elderly person at that point, he found out later. And the guy wasn't doing anything to her, he wasn't holding her by the neck or grabbing her, he wasn't even standing next to her, he wasn't holding a weapon. So why not just step in, put himself between her and the guy and tell him to leave and then call security? Why was the immediate reaction to hit him? In the real world that guy would have had a field day pressing charges for physical assault against him.

The ML seems to have some anger issues. He just sees the guy in the elevator with Hyo Min and tackles him? Dude needs to chill.

Those Kopiko ads are getting ridiculous. And why do they all have the same expression on their face everytime? :)))) It's like they put it in the contract.

Informing other people that you are smart and elegant, in caps no less, is in fact quite inelegant and lacks any of the finesse you seem to treasure very much. So maybe, try not to sound like a condescending 15 year old, and people will take you more seriously.

I don't necessarily look at it that way. A performance based salary is prized by high performing people, because they make more. And big companies are breeding grounds for lazy and low performing people who can easily hide their lack of competence and work ethic behind their many coworkers, who end up each picking up the slack for them. I have seen many such cases. Is a company required to pay employees who don't carry their own weight?
But maybe I have the wrong perspective, what makes you say it is a recipe for exploitation?

Yess!!! The painting case seemed extremely farfetched and not properly explained to me as well. Especially since she had used fluorescent paint to hide her father's face in it, so how did the other artist know that she had used that kind of paint and then used it as well for his painting? You can't see the difference with the naked eye, you only notice it's fluorescent paint when you expose it to blacklight.

I think they mentioned at one point that there was a bar nearby that she would often go to, so maybe she was tipsy too

I think it might be different reasons for different people. For religious people it's the fact that they consider suicide a sin, as life is given from God and people have no right to end their own lives.
For other people I think it's a fear of the slippery slope, we see that it's starting to be used for other reasons, like there was a woman a few months ago I think who was perfectly healthy but she was depressed and she chose assisted suicide. So, promoting euthanasia for cases other than terminal ilnesses kind of goes against the whole message we've been giving people with suicidal ideations: "Don't choose a permanent solution for a temporary problem"
And then there's also the argument that it can very easily be used maliciously. Like for example, in the case we had in the series, we see that the woman herself wanted to die, and the husband was only adhering to her wishes. But there could easily be cases of people with dementia and alzheimers who have no idea what they're doing and they're pushed to do it by greedy relatives who want the inheritance. So, I think it's a pretty dicey issue.

So, basically your moral code is: I condemn rape, except if the tv series is really good? :)))))
What is it with all you people feeling the need to let everyone know what you will and will not watch? No one cares what you watch or don't, you don't need to announce it, so if you really have so much vitriol for this guy, go to a gossip website, feel superior about your "morals" over there, there's no need to constantly try to mix his work with his personal life. We get it, you really want to destroy his career, but some of us here don't care about your obsessions and would actually just like to talk about the show.