They saved the show from... the sin of same-sex love, by not having any? They saved it from offending asexuals?…
Hi jpny01 Maybe my previous comment would have come across better if I had elaborated it more. However, I get the feeling that foundamently, there's a relatively big gap between how you view SarTine and how I view them. I believe that gap stems from the difference in what makes you happy in a lovers relationship, and what makes me happy in the same relationship.
I'll try to explain myself more with the hope that I won't further trigger you negatively.
I'll try to discuss considering only the physical aspects for now. I think the amount and the types of physical intimacy ST have is close to none by your standard. Hence, to percieve them as having a healthy relationship as lovers, given the context of their age and life, would be 'ridiculous'. However, the amount that they displayed is enough for me to find them endearing. And I would be quite satisfied myself if my boyfriend displayed them in that level.
What I meant by 'saved' specifically in my previous comment was regarding the ending of 2g and the ending of this ep. Both revolved around winning a music competition. In 2g, Sar gave Tine a high5 and ended there. That brought an outcry of disappointments from many many fans on many multiple levels and in many multiple ways. In this ep, even though there were still nothing physically strong, the intimacy they showed did not lack depth, to me at least. I actually found them endearing.
This time, they kept their old ways of affection, like sharing the earphones, but they also added new ones. And the way they added the new ones seemed to me they are saying they hear our disappointments and will rectify it, I got this feel when Sar's script said "i get it" before kissing Tine. However, they will not do it as some shallow fan service. My perception is they made effort to develop themselves to suit us, while at the same time honouring their own style
When I saw added new things like: Tine recipricated and kissed Sar on the check; Tine resting his hand on Sar's arm while thanking him; Sar caressing Tine's thumb with his thumb when they were holding hand; Sar rubbing/caressing his head on Tine's head. I see them as small but significant bondings lovers would do. Affections like these ones are enough to touch me, and they stay with me.
So from my point of view, they "saved" the show and rectified the disappointment they gave us in 2g.
I'm guessing you will disagree with my views? But I think we can accept to agree to disagree?
It's morning in my end, so good morning and have a good weekend. Cheers!
I've already posted my dislike for "redos." Although, I don't really have a problem with "reboots." I'm just a…
I also find it disturbing that some BL series ignore the criminal act of rape. The one I thought even more extreme and disgusting was what Lhong did in TharnType. In any sane world, he would be prosecuted and put in jail.
Forgiveness is one thing, but it seems to me they are just decriminalizing the violent action of rape, instead of excercising the value of forgiveness towards the rapist.
I think these shows should be tagged Rated-R, Criminal, Adult, Mature, Violent, Rape, etc. Just to protect the younger viewers, educating them that actions such as rape is illegal, unacceptible to learn from, and must not copy.
My two cents worth. (or two dollars worth with inflation. Sorry, just thought to be funny after a heavy topic)
Can't say I like ACTL that much. The show doesn't draw me in.
Ae's sad parts dragged on and I lost patience and kept fastforwarding them. Many other dialogues didn't catch my interest going either and I kept missing them here and there.
It feels weird that TinCan's story started all over again but the rest continued from LBC. I also cannot stand Can. I know his charactor is suppose to talk plenty and fast, but instead of finding him cute, I find him VERY annoying. I'm hoping he's charactor will become sweeter in later eps.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE ZaintSee, but I wish PerthSaint is still around.
Maybe I can find one Sarawat for myself oneday.... if I don't die ...... I cannot stand their cuteness, I am dying…
LOL me too. I wrote a comment before, if Sar is in my life, I'd be jumping him 24/7 (sorry for the crude expression) LOL. I'm finding Tine very attractive now in s2g. He did nothing to me in 2g then.
Lately BL shows are going for it hard with the product placements. Back then it was subtle and was just the commercials…
Agree. I've noticed even the non BL Kdramas are having way more product clips incoorpertate lately. Feel like they are returning to the old day's soap operas in the 1950s
They're 2 men in a relationship, what 'wife'? And even if you're assuming his position in bed, that shouldn't…
I see where you are coming from. Maybe borrowing vocabulary from heterosexual relations to use in same-sex relations doesn't work properly.
I can see calling the party a 'wife' can be perceived as him giving up his masculinity, which is definitely not true in many same-sex relations. I'm not sure what words to use as replacement, maybe 'more dominant' or 'more in power'?
To begin with, I agree with you that it is not necessary, or perhaps even unfair, to pigeon hole any party of any same-sex couples into fitting heterosexually defined roles.
However, for the purpose of exchanging ideas only, no claiming of what is right or what is wrong:
I think both the later part of 2g and now s2g , did built Sar's charactor to be 'more dominant'. Not solely by top/bottom positions, but also by their expressions, appearances, how they carry themselves, behaviours that seems to provide pleasure, etc. , Some of these may or may not be associated to tradtional male/female stereoptypes
In the beginning part of 2g, I thought Sar and Tine seemed pretty equally manly. Both were sporty, with mascular bodies, etc, and I couldn't tell who's more dominant. But later I find Sar's charactor became more the initiator and more 'in power'. He would pat Tine's head, which is an affection normally an older person would give to a younger person. He held Tine's face during kissing, which is a more controlling act than being held by the face. He asked to sleep in Tine's room which is agressive. He likes to grope Tine's breast when groping is more active and being groped is more passive, also where breast is traditionally a symbol for women. On the audio side, Sar's voice is not as soft as Tine's, Tine's speaks more gently. Tine would cry when he's jealous while Sar would punch and yell. When they were in their new room, the way Sar pulled Tine to him by the hips and the way Tine lightly and unsuccessfully pushed him away, Sar was definitely the authority there. The sofa scene defined, at least to me, that Tine was the bottom.
I thought the divide was even more so in s2g, especially in relation to traditional men vs women stereotypes. Tine's lips, especially the upper lip, stood out more, which I thought was VERY attractive. His skin's flawless. Little things like the way he would slowly close then open his eyes when he's with Sar, that's a typical method a woman would use to appear more attractive to a man. Sar would say sorry at home after not taking Tine's side at school, that's stereotypical of a whipped man. Similarly Sar "dogged" when Tine told him to choose between singing Scrubb or scrubbing his back in the shower, that's stereotypical of a man losing to the girl and the girl holding him by the chain. The 'fatherly' pats on the head and 'perv' breast groping requests continued, Etc, Etc, Etc. However, I did feel Win did not execute his part perfectly, something seemed off. I can't pin point what's missing.
Assuming all the above, I don't think Tine gave up any of his masculinity though. I think, regarding the aspects of power between him and Sar, he seems more comfortable, or more frequently, receiving. I also believe in any relationships, be it siblings, lovers, friends, colleagues, etc, the aspect of power exists.
What I'm trying to say is, I probably made a mistake using the words 'husband' and 'wife' to discribe Sar and Tine in my previous comments. Since there is no separate or different sex categories in same-sex relations. I should have distingushed Sar and Tine by their relative comfort levels in initiating and in receiving dominance or power.
Am I making sense here? I'm trying to think it through myself actually.
I hesitated about watching ep 3, because ep2 was so repetitive. But it's BrightWin, so I ended up watching LOL. Bright's really good in advertising goods and services. Good choice to have him endorsing. I actually enjoy watching BW eat more than the sports LOL. Maybe they could try a mukbang?
I read the story details and really liked the storyline. I thought it's original, bringing up a baby in the dorm, and was looking forward to watch it. But somehow I'm not able to finish ep 1. I don't dislike it, but it's also not attracting my attention. I'm dropping it for now, maybe I'll come back to it later.
Maybe my previous comment would have come across better if I had elaborated it more. However, I get the feeling that foundamently, there's a relatively big gap between how you view SarTine and how I view them. I believe that gap stems from the difference in what makes you happy in a lovers relationship, and what makes me happy in the same relationship.
I'll try to explain myself more with the hope that I won't further trigger you negatively.
I'll try to discuss considering only the physical aspects for now.
I think the amount and the types of physical intimacy ST have is close to none by your standard. Hence, to percieve them as having a healthy relationship as lovers, given the context of their age and life, would be 'ridiculous'.
However, the amount that they displayed is enough for me to find them endearing. And I would be quite satisfied myself if my boyfriend displayed them in that level.
What I meant by 'saved' specifically in my previous comment was regarding the ending of 2g and the ending of this ep. Both revolved around winning a music competition. In 2g, Sar gave Tine a high5 and ended there. That brought an outcry of disappointments from many many fans on many multiple levels and in many multiple ways. In this ep, even though there were still nothing physically strong, the intimacy they showed did not lack depth, to me at least. I actually found them endearing.
This time, they kept their old ways of affection, like sharing the earphones, but they also added new ones. And the way they added the new ones seemed to me they are saying they hear our disappointments and will rectify it, I got this feel when Sar's script said "i get it" before kissing Tine.
However, they will not do it as some shallow fan service.
My perception is they made effort to develop themselves to suit us, while at the same time honouring their own style
When I saw added new things like: Tine recipricated and kissed Sar on the check; Tine resting his hand on Sar's arm while thanking him; Sar caressing Tine's thumb with his thumb when they were holding hand; Sar rubbing/caressing his head on Tine's head. I see them as small but significant bondings lovers would do. Affections like these ones are enough to touch me, and they stay with me.
So from my point of view, they "saved" the show and rectified the disappointment they gave us in 2g.
I'm guessing you will disagree with my views? But I think we can accept to agree to disagree?
It's morning in my end, so good morning and have a good weekend. Cheers!
The one I thought even more extreme and disgusting was what Lhong did in TharnType. In any sane world, he would be prosecuted and put in jail.
Forgiveness is one thing, but it seems to me they are just decriminalizing the violent action of rape, instead of excercising the value of forgiveness towards the rapist.
I think these shows should be tagged Rated-R, Criminal, Adult, Mature, Violent, Rape, etc. Just to protect the younger viewers, educating them that actions such as rape is illegal, unacceptible to learn from, and must not copy.
My two cents worth.
(or two dollars worth with inflation. Sorry, just thought to be funny after a heavy topic)
Ae's sad parts dragged on and I lost patience and kept fastforwarding them. Many other dialogues didn't catch my interest going either and I kept missing them here and there.
It feels weird that TinCan's story started all over again but the rest continued from LBC.
I also cannot stand Can. I know his charactor is suppose to talk plenty and fast, but instead of finding him cute, I find him VERY annoying. I'm hoping he's charactor will become sweeter in later eps.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE ZaintSee, but I wish PerthSaint is still around.
I'm finding Tine very attractive now in s2g. He did nothing to me in 2g then.
I can see calling the party a 'wife' can be perceived as him giving up his masculinity, which is definitely not true in many same-sex relations. I'm not sure what words to use as replacement, maybe 'more dominant' or 'more in power'?
To begin with, I agree with you that it is not necessary, or perhaps even unfair, to pigeon hole any party of any same-sex couples into fitting heterosexually defined roles.
However, for the purpose of exchanging ideas only, no claiming of what is right or what is wrong:
I think both the later part of 2g and now s2g , did built Sar's charactor to be 'more dominant'. Not solely by top/bottom positions, but also by their expressions, appearances, how they carry themselves, behaviours that seems to provide pleasure, etc. , Some of these may or may not be associated to tradtional male/female stereoptypes
In the beginning part of 2g, I thought Sar and Tine seemed pretty equally manly. Both were sporty, with mascular bodies, etc, and I couldn't tell who's more dominant. But later I find Sar's charactor became more the initiator and more 'in power'. He would pat Tine's head, which is an affection normally an older person would give to a younger person. He held Tine's face during kissing, which is a more controlling act than being held by the face. He asked to sleep in Tine's room which is agressive. He likes to grope Tine's breast when groping is more active and being groped is more passive, also where breast is traditionally a symbol for women. On the audio side, Sar's voice is not as soft as Tine's, Tine's speaks more gently. Tine would cry when he's jealous while Sar would punch and yell. When they were in their new room, the way Sar pulled Tine to him by the hips and the way Tine lightly and unsuccessfully pushed him away, Sar was definitely the authority there. The sofa scene defined, at least to me, that Tine was the bottom.
I thought the divide was even more so in s2g, especially in relation to traditional men vs women stereotypes. Tine's lips, especially the upper lip, stood out more, which I thought was VERY attractive. His skin's flawless. Little things like the way he would slowly close then open his eyes when he's with Sar, that's a typical method a woman would use to appear more attractive to a man. Sar would say sorry at home after not taking Tine's side at school, that's stereotypical of a whipped man. Similarly Sar "dogged" when Tine told him to choose between singing Scrubb or scrubbing his back in the shower, that's stereotypical of a man losing to the girl and the girl holding him by the chain. The 'fatherly' pats on the head and 'perv' breast groping requests continued, Etc, Etc, Etc.
However, I did feel Win did not execute his part perfectly, something seemed off. I can't pin point what's missing.
Assuming all the above, I don't think Tine gave up any of his masculinity though. I think, regarding the aspects of power between him and Sar, he seems more comfortable, or more frequently, receiving. I also believe in any relationships, be it siblings, lovers, friends, colleagues, etc, the aspect of power exists.
What I'm trying to say is, I probably made a mistake using the words 'husband' and 'wife' to discribe Sar and Tine in my previous comments. Since there is no separate or different sex categories in same-sex relations. I should have distingushed Sar and Tine by their relative comfort levels in initiating and in receiving dominance or power.
Am I making sense here? I'm trying to think it through myself actually.
I'm open to other thoughts.
Take care.
Bright's really good in advertising goods and services. Good choice to have him endorsing.
I actually enjoy watching BW eat more than the sports LOL. Maybe they could try a mukbang?