So who do you think is/are the murderer(s)?

 cypheraly:

so bew assaulted sonar. more and more unraveling of this "friend" group as we go on. bew has definitely lost his mind, but so has fone and probably bozo though bozo less than the other two. and i've got no further ideas of what's going on except now bew has seen lyla whether or not he admits it.

Agreed but as I explained before, I think they may use the bad impression we have of Bew to think that he´s the worst problem, and tbh he´s also kinda working against himself and others which is very dangerous if everyone wants to survive. Because they may think his disappearance may solve the worst problem and they will no longer have to fear death on a frequent basis. However, just because he is the most toxic and aggressive one, doesn´t mean he is actually the most dangerous one. Think about it, we have seen so many sequences where he got blamed as the culprit but wasn´t and he did not kill Sonar when he had the chance. Both Mac in the bathroom and Dan were self-defence. On the other side, he may have been a harasser/ or even worse. My guts just tell me that this series is giving us obvious reasons to suspect and hate him but then again they show some moments where he got falsely accused in the past. 

Just got done with the episode and I still believe that either Lyla is alive or there's someone impersonating her and the chaos and fear make everyone who sees her think it's actually Lyla. The fact that only one person at a time seems to see her even when she appears in groups is the only thing that makes me doubt this theory. Mind being alive and fine proves that nobody is really dead unless they die on camera and their corpse is shown (Dan, Mac).  Honestly, if it wasn't for the text that started it all it would be possible that there's no mastermind at all and they all just went stir crazy. 

It makes a lot of sense that the boatman died of illness seeing the coughing shot, I also found it a bit suspicious that he remembered Mac and Nest from years ago. There could really be something there.

Bew saying "I'll never let myself be killed" was such a huge red flag for foreshadowing, I don't see him lasting much longer now that he's put himself in this position. Before this episode I didn't really think he had it in him to be this violent, and it did surprise me that he didn't kill Sonar when it was just the two of them. Very interesting that they didn't let us listen in to whatever he'd told her in the bathroom. It must be big, or something that would change the way we see his character. I could believe he's not actually super bad. He knew about Plato and Ken but so far it doesn't seem like he told anyone.

I am still very on the fence about Nest, she seems to be the most scared and helpless one and that makes her a very big suspect to me. There were also a bit too many close up shots of her leg in this episode for it to mean nothing. I remember when Mac was losing it at first she didn't seem particularly put off when it was just the two of them (like in the tent), she only put on the frightened act when Mac started freaking out with everyone around them.

I think after the past episodes of extreme tension and even small groups breaking up into single individuals we might be leading up to some sort of distension. The flashback with Sonar and Lyla was a reminder that we've only seen very small fragments of the past. Before this ep, the last we saw of them was through Mind's POV and it was the two of them fighting, but since them they could have resolved it and same for many other characters that seemed to have a tense relationship. And we've never seen any flashback of the past island trip! We have no idea how their relationships were when Lyla died.

At some point during this episode I almost hoped there was the chance of a happy ending for most of them, lol. If they put aside their differences and calmed down for two seconds to focus on leaving the island... But the fact that we're not even halfway through, omg. This show could seriously go everywhere. I've been thinking about so many things that could happen and I really can't write off any of them!

Mind going in with that confession feels like a death sentence, especially with the fact that she's telling it to Bew. If Bew loses it and tries to touch her he'd have to go up against Bozo and that would be the end of that alliance.

Some final thoughts that go nowhere but I wrote in my notes (yes I take notes as I watch, lol): Lyla's watch is intriguing. It doesn't rule off any option (even if she had killed herself she could have left it there or given it to someone beforehand, same if she was killed). Interesting how nobody remembers who Lyla was with when she died.  There's some untreated wounds that are making me nervous, mostly Fone but also Plato. I don't see how you could get poked in the eye by a tree like that and walk around normally with no treatment after such short time. She has to be getting an infection, right? It's a miracleit didn't reach her brain, I really thought she was on her last legs what with the blood loss and everything. These wounds have to come back at some point. 

And oh the movie/literature references this show is giving me! (Warning for big nerdy rant) Obviously it's Lord of the Flies first and foremost, but we've also got the Agatha Christie thing as somebody commented before. Confined space, only a handful of suspects, possible fake deaths? Then there's the obvious Battle Royale/Hunger Games concept (which made me think how interesting this could be if it was staged by someone else entirely, but I feel like that would make the show a whole different genre). Cinematography wise, a few of the shots in this episode reminded me of Lynch's Twin Peaks, like the shots of the woods or even the black and white bathroom flashback with Sonar and Bew and the fact that it was muted as he whispered. -> About this, aren't the other flashbacks in color? Why was this suddenly B&W? Maybe it wasn't real?

 torfight:

And oh the movie/literature references this show is giving me! (Warning for big nerdy rant) Obviously it's Lord of the Flies first and foremost, but we've also got the Agatha Christie thing as somebody commented before. Confined space, only a handful of suspects, possible fake deaths? Then there's the obvious Battle Royale/Hunger Games concept (which made me think how interesting this could be if it was staged by someone else entirely, but I feel like that would make the show a whole different genre).

I couldn´t agree more on this. It has the requirements to plotwise fit into the A.C. Let alone the fact that even the viewers are discussing any possible escalations. As I said, it is too quiet now and I bet some motives will be revealed soon to continue this survival battle.  

 torfight:

At some point during this episode I almost hoped there was the chance of a happy ending for most of them, lol. If they put aside their differences and calmed down for two seconds to focus on leaving the island... But the fact that we're not even halfway through, omg. This show could seriously go everywhere. I've been thinking about so many things that could happen and I really can't write off any of them!

"It is the calm before the storm; and quicker than you think; the face of those changes; who talk of peace and already start to throw the torches among the peoples of this earth." (I forgot the author)

 torfight:

Very interesting that they didn't let us listen in to whatever he'd told her in the bathroom. It must be big, or something that would change the way we see his character. I could believe he's not actually super bad. He knew about Plato and Ken but so far it doesn't seem like he told anyone.

Since I already dedicated a huge paragraph to him, you may already know my opinion on this and I won´t repeat the reasons why he may not be as bad as we think. If the writer wants to make it interesting, he will use this mislead and misconception of Bew´s character to make the viewers doubt everyone again and rethink their "choices", as well as it could raise awareness that one should never judge before everything is revealed. Which is hard in this kind of series. Personally, I always change my mind.

After all, they just let us see what they want us to see. However, Bew is still toxic AF and condemns his own bloody destiny because of his high-spirited manner. I doubt that he will have much time to realize that. For me, however, he remains the most irritating but at the same time most interesting character to analyze in this series.

I bet the next episode is going to be wild and as sad as I am that we probably have to part ways with Bew and/or Gel, I am very excited to see where this is going.

Okay, episode 6 was insane and a lot to transfer into our theories. I also can´t believe that Plato died, wasn't holding Ken in in his arms in the trailer? Will he survive this?? AGAIN?? After he lost so much blood?? They probably changed the story after they released the Teaser.

Firstly, the boatsman died from poison, which explains a lot and makes also sense why nobody came to rescue them yet. It takes time until help can come and who expect that their kids/siblings/relatives just started going berserk and on killing sprees after they went there to pray for Lyla´s death. LMAO

BEW
Unfortunately, it seems like they didn´t want the plot twist in Bew´s character and if he really did THAT to Sonar (he did not deny it so he probably did) he is indeed a very bad and cunning person. It´s still so confusing because that´s ofc something I won´t take lightly or ignore, trust me, but on the other hand, the series is not really trying to make him look THAT evil. Take the last flashback, for instance, it´s like they first destroy the sympathy for him and then they make us doubt it??  Either they try to leave him as realistically evil as possible or he is not that bad...? (Can´t believe I say this) However, he said to Sonar:
"If you die as well, I will consider it fortunate" which makes him obviously the bad guy. I AM STILL SO CONFUSED ABOUT IT lol like I can see he´s a disgusting offender but some of his actions are so suspiciously out of character then. He did not impulsively kill Mind, he did not go berserk as how someone thought. What is with this dude? He´s in love with Nest? He killed not only his best friend but his stepbrother?? It´s only getting more confusing, as expected.

SONAR
The way Mind looked to Sonar when she got accused by her, was definitely very sus. Sonar suffered a lot and she is an outrageous brave character but some things are off about Mind´s reaction towards her and also that Bew said: "You´re not better than me" after she reminded him what kind of disgusting offender he is. He did not deny what he did but he still said that. At that moment. That´s also very off. I believe in Sonar´s story, still, she is very suspicious. But why? What has she done? Why would she be the mastermind? On the other hand, we know nothing about her yet except for what Bew did to her and that she also hated Lyla. Or maybe not???

BOZO
Bozo is getting more innocent, I doubt he could be behind this. I think he is even more innocent than Nest haha :D He´s so committed towards Mind, I highly doubt someone like him would be an evil mind.

 cypheraly:

lyla's 15. and didn't they say that bew is in uni in the flashbacks and is only at the school to help out younger students? so that means he's 18/19 at that time. which just makes him even worse as a character.

Is this age gap so outrageous? Guess it must be different in each culture or sth but when I was 15 my ex, who I have been together with for 4 years, was also 20. Except for him [my Ex} being an inhuman sadist and manipulator, I don´t think that the age had much to do with his ill-witted behaviour. So that´s not something that actually caught my attention but if it´s a bad thing in your culture or in Thailand  I respect it and it can be seen as a red flag in some ways.  

 cypheraly:

bew seems to have it in for her he's definitely just taking advantage of the whole situation with wanting her dead and proves that while bew is an outright awful individual he's not actually behind the whole thing.

Exactly what I think too. Bew may think: "If I am already forced to be here, let´s look for some benefits." but that could also additionally be a sort of coping mechanism. Hormones and primal instincts cause him to feel almighty and unkillable. Guess now that he´s at a disadvantage, he will have a hard time. Especially since hands are the most important tools and also important weapons/ shields. He´s not only emotionally vulnerable anymore, but also physically. Easy pray. Maybe he will turn into a "please spare me" kind of pathetic character or he won´t give up and feel even more motivated to avenge himself.
Either way, Bew is an incredibly interesting written character to me.
 

 cypheraly:

he did smack the shit out of sonar when trying to get info out of her which does say a lot about him as a person because there was no need for the violence and yet he sided with bew who is trying to get sonar killed and fone who is actively trying to murder the girl she supposedly loves cause she got turned down and hurt on accident.

Of course, I didn´t say that he is in any way perfect. He is violent and it´s unforgivable to treat anyone with aggression. However, in the moment of despair and loss (he thought Mind was hurt/ dead/ in danger) his mind might not have had the capacity to care about morals, of course, that is a red flag, one should be in control with themselves at all times and never hurt others. So far tho, he did everything because of Mind. He really loves her, to the point he would sacrifice himself at any minute. I doubt that such a person can be as ill-witted as to brutally kill someone or be a mastermind.

I also slowly begin to assume, that the moral of the story will be that Lyla was not alive, their guilt of their past alone, made them commit the unthinkable crimes. Lilly just helped them a little off-screen.

Okay, biggest question of the episode is who hurt/killed Plato? All the alive people were on screen while it happened so we have to assume Lilly is still alive, right? I don't see any other solution to this unless he did it to himself (unlikely) or a third person/Lyla(?) did it. And what would be the reason for this other person to hurt Plato of all people? He seemed to be the most innocent of them all. I think this might be a crucial answer to figure out what's going on, who did it and why. Nobody had a motive to hate him other than Gel, and it was clearly not her. The only person shown with a knife was Fone, but she was also not near him and her knife wasn't bloody.

I still don't understand why Bew had to kill Dan. I get that it was self defense and Dan thought he'd killed Lilly, but after he was on the ground and begging for mercy the Bew we've seen in the flashbacks would have stopped. Especially since it was an earlier episode and their sanity wasn't so bad yet. There has to be more between them that we are missing. This led me to think that maybe Lyla has nothing to do with this and it's all Lilly's revenge, using her sister's ghost to make them paranoid as she gets what she wants. She's the one that gets accused right away of having sent the text so we are led to believe that it wasn't her, and her "death" was definitely not confirmed. 

Another thing that's still missing for me is why Mind doesn't seem to appreciate Bozo, even in the flashbacks. A few episodes ago she said they'd already "discussed it", I assume why she doesn't want to go out with him, but she seems to be very agressive towards him and so far we've been shown that he's been nothing but polite and kind to her. I wonder if at some point he got too pushy/insistent and that's why she treats him like this. Her saying she knew about the poison was definitely a lie. I agree about the spark of recognition and the fact that Sonar definitely has something to do with it. I think she was hoping that her sacrifice would get them all to calm down and think they had gotten the culprit but it didn't really work.

One last thing I noticed is the contents of the boatman's box seem to be a bit weird. Without a translation of what the document was I can only assume it was some sort of boat permit which would make sense, but the gun? And why show us the medicines if he was healthy and just died of poisoning? He was coughing already at the start, so unless he got poisoned before the trip started that shot is still important. 

 torfight:

I am still very on the fence about Nest, she seems to be the most scared and helpless one and that makes her a very big suspect to me. There were also a bit too many close up shots of her leg in this episode for it to mean nothing.

I was right about one thing after all!

It was nice to see Mac again, we didn't really know much about him before this episode. The flashbacks almost make him seem the most normal, even though he's the one that lost it the fastest. I assume he never got over Lyla's death. On that note, I really want to see flashbacks to the previous island trip, not even to find out what happened but to see who was friends with whom at the time lol. 

Tommy did a great job with his acting, can't wait to see more in the next episodes. 

I think both Mind and Nest are now telling the full truth. Sonar, on the other hand, is still in a cloud of mystery. She had no reason to help Nest set up Lyla and Bew, so we're definitely missing something big there. Bozo continues to look innocent and reasonable, which is a bit suspicious.

The preview, man. Lots more Lyla interactions incoming, maybe we'll get some more clues as to whether there's actually someone there or if she's just a ghost. Bew is probably going to die, Fone might have died already, Gel might die soon. I don't think Sonar is going to kill Nest just yet, so soon after the big reveal. Something will interrupt her. I am growing more and more suspicious of Sonar, I am still not 100% convinced she's telling the truth about Bew since we have no clue why he would have abused her. Also another interesting thing from the preview is Mind talking about someone working with Sonar, making it sound like she's sure that Sonar is guilty even though at this point she wouldn't really have a base to say that. Maybe the weird glance we noticed in the past episode will get an explanation?

All in all, a bit of a slower, flashbacks-focused episode which I still enjoyed a lot. This show continues to be well made and engaging.

So Mind lied about leaking the clip? That's... idk. Like I understood the lying about the poison to stop the fighting. But lying about the clip too? I mean I guess it makes sense kinda. She's that kind of person that just wants everyone to stop. But what good does lying about leaking the clip do? Especially if the person who leaked the clip is the person behind everything.  Edit now that I've watched more of the episode: Mind and Nest are both equally to blame for the video being leaked. Even if Nest is the one who reposted it so that more people saw it, she got the video from a post as it is so clearly Mind made that post (or someone else did with the clip she made) but even the fact that Mind had filmed it in the first place puts blame on her too. She might not have intended anyone to die over it but it's still no good.

Ken is very insistent that everything is Sonar's fault and I want to know why.

But Nest lying about being disabled to be liked or whatever just definitely reaffirms my feelings that nobody in this group is a good person even if we haven't seen how they aren't yet. So just because Bozo seems to be decent  doesn't mean I trust or like him either. At the same time I still don't think that just because these characters aren't actually good people it automatically makes them the person who set this up. And makes me wonder if the idea of the whole thing just being their mental guilt and everything manifesting as 'Lyla' is the correct one. 

Sonar is hella suspicious. How is she coming to the conclusion that Bew attacked her because of Nest? Was it supposed to be payback for the clip or something??? I might have missed that being suggested to be his reasoning. But Bew telling her she's just like him is Significant, so is Ken suddenly being against her, too. I'm definitely very suspicious of her after all this. Oh and then her now trying to kill Nest also doesn't really help that at all either lmao. 

And there's honestly not a single person in this group I'm rooting for at this point cause everyone's proving to be awful - so I don't trust Bozo not to be too lmao.