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 Daydreamologist:

@Kimsamsoom

Agreed though that SDM displayed noble idiocy when she broke up with Do San just so he'd go to the US. But noble idiocy isn't a very bad thing, in and of itself. We're all idiots a lot of the time, it wouldn't hurt to be noble about it sometimes. 

The thing that actually, actually  went downhill in the past episodes is not NDS's character, but rather SDM's. And because SDM is the centre of this entire drama, everything else suffered. 

Personally for me when a kdrama overuses the noble idiocy plot device, I amount this to lazy writing as noble idiocy is just one of the laziest way to use a plot point to extend a show.

Yes, the past episodes SDM's character did suffer a lot, in fact, I would say she has regressed to the point of where NDS is. Prior to the time skip, maturity wise, SDM was ahead of NDS, but after the three year time skip, she has digressed to NDS level of maturity. That is why you'll see HJP fans say that SDM and NDS deserve each other, because at this point in time, their maturity level is at the same level.

 Daydreamologist:

Whether it's team DoDal or team MiJi, we all agree that Han Ji Pyeong deserves to be happy in the end. If he's not then this whole drama should just be tagged as a Tragedy. 

And neither does NDS deserves a sad ending. 

No one has ever said that NDS deserves a sad ending. The thing is, the story had enough material, to make NDS successful, and mend his relationship with his mom and dad as his dream being achieved, but instead the show went from NDS having a poor relationship with his parents to all of a sudden making them the closest family in the show without showing how it happened. And all this when NDS has not called his parents for three years. I mean, it's so unrealistic.. I get it KDrama escapism, but still...

The thing is, writing wise, NDS had many avenues for a happy ending, yet the writers forced a SDM endign as his ONLY way to be happy. In comparison for HJP, he has very little avenues to his happy ending. His last chance of a happy ending, Grandma, is going blind, and they already set up SDM's mom as the person who will take care of Grandma, so as you see there isn't much options for HJP happy ending which has most HJP fans worried.

 Kimsamsoom:

His last chance of a happy ending, Grandma, is going blind, and they already set up SDM's mom as the person who will take care of Grandma, so as you see there isn't much options for HJP happy ending which has most HJP fans worried.

I don't think HJP's chance of happy ending is gone just because grandma is blind and the mom is there to take care. I don't think their relationship will stop because of that. And that would make their familial relationship shallow if that happens.

 Zelle:

Am i the only one who just sees these two guys the same? Regardless of their height, status, family or initial personality, HJP and NDS are the same.

It's how it's presented to the viewers that it felt like they're different. case in point the "stalking" accusation towards dosan.. when hjp did the same. Also.. some said cringe-worthy moments nds has... but surprise surprise.. hjp did have this kind of moments.

The devil is in the details. Both male leads are given fast pitches, while NDS has been swinging at every ball, HJP has been pulling off walks. And in the end, his composure and consistency has won over more fans, than NDS constant swinging, regardless of how many home runs NDS hits.

Well, let's see how the writers will end this all. But NDS, HJP, and SDM being one big happy family, seems implausible to me.

 Zelle:

the point is?

all im saying is, some of the accusations thrown at nds, can also be said to hjp. Or in others words, they're both the same except for the status, height, age, family connections. 

If things were truly exactly the same as you are saying, there wouldn't be such a discrepancy on how which side fans are choosing.

There is obviously differences in the way HJP and NDS are handling situations, and those differences, subtle or not, are big enough for more people to side with HJP. Most HJP fans can relate with HJP, and find it hard to relate with the things that NDS has done, well intentioned or not. Doesn't mean I don't understand why NDS does what he does, it's just that I don't agree.

Unless you think people are only HJP fans because he is an Orphan?

Maybe that becomes the fault of the writer then. To create such a strong characterization for HJP, that his flaws, paralleling to NDS, are more easily ignored. And giving NDS such a niche characterization, where his faults are magnified instead.

Yes, that's why Is said, "Unless". I wasn't sure on your views on this.

HJP actually gives SDM a lot of space both physically and emotionally. In terms of blind love, I think both men are blind, as I don't see the appeal of SDM. I see the appeal of both NDS and HJP though.

Yeah that bedroom scene between NDS and HJP was wrong on both their parts. I'm not saying HJP doesn't have flaws, because he does, but they are easier to ignore.

It's been implied in the show that regardless of his money, health, and etc... he is not happy.

When HJP tells grandma how happy he is, she simply replies. Your unmarried in your 30's your not happy. This hits home.

Yeah ofc, both men have their flaws. But as I have told the other posters, because of the characterization of the writer of both Male Leads, the flaws of HJP become far easier to justify and ignore than NDS. And by the time the writer addresses fixing NDS characterization, it had become too late, there were too many people on HJP's side, and would thus root for him until the end of the series.

In the end, the character messed up her character arcs.