A lot of people are fixated on that fact. But hey go get that lead role ! it no doubt a competitive job good on…
That’s called an answer. Cherry-picking is when you focus on a single word and waste time on it, like you just did. Now go bother someone else with your obsession over that child actress.
A lot of people are fixated on that fact. But hey go get that lead role ! it no doubt a competitive job good on…
I don’t know or care about her past, present, or future. My response was to your “just be happy for her coz she’s the main,” which implies that, regardless of her performance, it should be fine just coz she got the role. That’s something I really can’t do. Now stop cherry picking you seem obsessed with her.
So why was a 16yo girl cast in the sequel to play a character who was portrayed by a 30yo woman in the prev one? Was the original story actually about a teenager, making this casting more accurate? Because if not, for an experienced warrior it would have been more believable someone a bit older.
lol Had to share this. Someone made a FoF vs VoS teams. Let me know who you guys think will win. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/17BSJiD33C/?mibextid=wwXIfrWenXiao…
Fof team doesn't even need to play in full. Zyz one word spell and Wx flute to control and subdue all the demons will do lol
Why does this have so much comments? Were people fighting here?
90% of comments were just few users challenging themself to reach a big number. I remember that to find some info on the drama i had to load 4-5 page of emoty and inner joke. Just to fill the number
OOC? Why blame Lu Jiang for bravely fighting for what he wants?I don't think Lu Jianglai's character collapsed…
You treat Lu Jianglai’s longing for a family as if it automatically legitimizes everything he endures to get it. Even if LJL craves familial stability, that does not mean he should be disrespected, emotionally dismissed or coerced into choices under threat of abandonment.
I do appreciate the way you explain LJL’s trauma, even if I find it reductive to reduce such a character, whose core has always been authority, justice, and righteousness, to simply a family man with trauma. Since your comment focuses on this side of him, I will concentrate on it too, even though it is neither all of him nor the main part of him.
Concerning this side, however, you turn his suppose trauma-driven compliance into heroic agency. When someone is starved for love, and another person becomes the only source of that love, the dynamic is no longer neutral. Especially when she withholds support when he’s vulnerable, she offers intimacy while planning to leave, she allows no middle ground and she uses departure as leverage. That’s not him “freely choosing what he desires”, that’s him choosing under constraint. True free will requires viable alternatives. He didn’t have them.
Then you say: “His attempts to provoke her with fights, desperate pleas, and playing the victim were completely accepted by her.” Accepted how? By refusing to meet him halfway, by withholding attention or support, or by refusing engagement? Passive tolerance is not an affectionate or validating response. What you describe as “exceptional affection” is a dynamic in which his insecurity escalates, her control increases. It reinforces the power imbalance. Calling this “healing” or “exceptional affection” dangerously reframes an abusive pattern.
The worst, however, is calling coercion “free will.” You insist the drama is about the exercise of individual free will under external pressure, but emotional blackmail, manipulation, and coercion negate free will. Saying “he chose what he subjectively desired” ignores that his desire was being exploited. When someone uses another’s weakness to extract compliance, the resulting choice is not free but it’s conditioned.
Ironically, this romantic defense actually demeans LJL. It reduces a brilliant, strategic, principled man into someone whose growth is measured by how much abuse he tolerates to get love, and whose dignity is secondary to the fantasy of family. LJL deserved support without ultimatums, love without indifference, and a family built with him, not at his expense. Longing for family can motivate great sacrifices, but it should never require accepting cruelty, coercion, or disrespect. Love that only exists when one person keeps yielding is not love. It’s not that I want to miss the romance,I just refuse to romanticize harm. Anyway, we can just agree to disagree.
It’s very frustrating for many people because this drama was sold as a balanced story between two characters,…
Yes, we must agree to disagree. While the main story was initially presented as interconnected between the two leads, it gradually shifts into a one-sided narrative, with only brief glimpses of the male lead’s characterization. Even at the end, when his story finally comes to the forefront, it is relegated to the very last episodes of the drama. I also think that when such a heavy imbalance is undeniably based on gender, it becomes inherently sexist toward whichever gender is at a disadvantage. And no, this isn’t the worst way a lead has been treated in their own drama, but it’s hardly a point of pride.
The lines were supposed to be LJL's lines according to the script. https://x.com/i/status/2011165689944687091
It was so obvious. I wouldn’t be surprised if they changed a lot more, because many scenes feel unnatural. For example, in his mansion, LJL didn’t notice he had been drugged, even after suspiciously looking at those braziers ten times, and it was still her to solve the case. Or the fact that his entire story was pushed into the last 1/7 of the drama, when it would have been better, and fairer, to start it halfway through, or at most 2/3 in.
Even the ending feels off. After watching the unfairness of both family, instead of starting a new life together and beginning anew, he leaves his family to join hers, who is just like his on reverse. It’s not a good or fair way end the drama . I wouldn’t be surprised if they changed it at the last minute just to make this the female last act of empowerment
I feel the same, that the show was very good and intriguing at first, but it became too one-sided (only ML confessing…
I absolutely agree with all of this! Having equal time for their stories would have been better. And turning the fl into this kind of character just so the ml has to carry the entire relationship is the worse.
This is a good show. The reviews are a little frustrating. For decades, many people did not kick up this much…
It’s very frustrating for many people because this drama was sold as a balanced story between two characters, and it isn’t.
The show actually pushes gender inequality, just reversed. Even when it presents supposedly equal or idealistic ideas, they remain only theoretical, because in practice one gender always has the upper hand. And I’m not even talking only about the social dynamics within the story, but about the structure of the drama as a whole.
The male lead’s story is pushed into the last 1/7 of the drama, without enough time to develop properly. Entire parts of the narrative are unnaturally shifted from one character to another, and it shows. This already reveals an inequality in how the characters are treated, which is then amplified by the in-story social dynamics, especially on the emotional side, where the male lead does all the work and the female lead does nothing.
Even the worst male leads in cdramas have not mistreated a female lead the way she mistreats him, to this extent and all the way until the end. So it’s clear that a serious imbalance exists, and people who expected balance and equality are right to complain about it.
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This show who is the real ass in here. Obsessive, vulgar fan are the wrost.
Was the original story actually about a teenager, making this casting more accurate? Because if not, for an experienced warrior it would have been more believable someone a bit older.
I do appreciate the way you explain LJL’s trauma, even if I find it reductive to reduce such a character, whose core has always been authority, justice, and righteousness, to simply a family man with trauma. Since your comment focuses on this side of him, I will concentrate on it too, even though it is neither all of him nor the main part of him.
Concerning this side, however, you turn his suppose trauma-driven compliance into heroic agency. When someone is starved for love, and another person becomes the only source of that love, the dynamic is no longer neutral. Especially when she withholds support when he’s vulnerable, she offers intimacy while planning to leave, she allows no middle ground and she uses departure as leverage.
That’s not him “freely choosing what he desires”, that’s him choosing under constraint. True free will requires viable alternatives. He didn’t have them.
Then you say: “His attempts to provoke her with fights, desperate pleas, and playing the victim were completely accepted by her.”
Accepted how? By refusing to meet him halfway, by withholding attention or support, or by refusing engagement? Passive tolerance is not an affectionate or validating response.
What you describe as “exceptional affection” is a dynamic in which his insecurity escalates, her control increases. It reinforces the power imbalance. Calling this “healing” or “exceptional affection” dangerously reframes an abusive pattern.
The worst, however, is calling coercion “free will.” You insist the drama is about the exercise of individual free will under external pressure, but emotional blackmail, manipulation, and coercion negate free will.
Saying “he chose what he subjectively desired” ignores that his desire was being exploited. When someone uses another’s weakness to extract compliance, the resulting choice is not free but it’s conditioned.
Ironically, this romantic defense actually demeans LJL. It reduces a brilliant, strategic, principled man into someone whose growth is measured by how much abuse he tolerates to get love, and whose dignity is secondary to the fantasy of family.
LJL deserved support without ultimatums, love without indifference, and a family built with him, not at his expense.
Longing for family can motivate great sacrifices, but it should never require accepting cruelty, coercion, or disrespect. Love that only exists when one person keeps yielding is not love.
It’s not that I want to miss the romance,I just refuse to romanticize harm.
Anyway, we can just agree to disagree.
While the main story was initially presented as interconnected between the two leads, it gradually shifts into a one-sided narrative, with only brief glimpses of the male lead’s characterization. Even at the end, when his story finally comes to the forefront, it is relegated to the very last episodes of the drama.
I also think that when such a heavy imbalance is undeniably based on gender, it becomes inherently sexist toward whichever gender is at a disadvantage.
And no, this isn’t the worst way a lead has been treated in their own drama, but it’s hardly a point of pride.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they changed a lot more, because many scenes feel unnatural. For example, in his mansion, LJL didn’t notice he had been drugged, even after suspiciously looking at those braziers ten times, and it was still her to solve the case.
Or the fact that his entire story was pushed into the last 1/7 of the drama, when it would have been better, and fairer, to start it halfway through, or at most 2/3 in.
Even the ending feels off. After watching the unfairness of both family, instead of starting a new life together and beginning anew, he leaves his family to join hers, who is just like his on reverse.
It’s not a good or fair way end the drama . I wouldn’t be surprised if they changed it at the last minute just to make this the female last act of empowerment
The show actually pushes gender inequality, just reversed. Even when it presents supposedly equal or idealistic ideas, they remain only theoretical, because in practice one gender always has the upper hand. And I’m not even talking only about the social dynamics within the story, but about the structure of the drama as a whole.
The male lead’s story is pushed into the last 1/7 of the drama, without enough time to develop properly. Entire parts of the narrative are unnaturally shifted from one character to another, and it shows. This already reveals an inequality in how the characters are treated, which is then amplified by the in-story social dynamics, especially on the emotional side, where the male lead does all the work and the female lead does nothing.
Even the worst male leads in cdramas have not mistreated a female lead the way she mistreats him, to this extent and all the way until the end. So it’s clear that a serious imbalance exists, and people who expected balance and equality are right to complain about it.