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thanks,

Yes, unfortunately, drama adaptations always portray female leads as more experienced, emotionally controlled, and less affected by the relationship ended ( at least with ml because many times they change after breakup with the ex and had hard time accepting the break up ). They accept breakups and act like its not a big deal. Meanwhile, male leads — even if they’re depicted in the novel as strong, emotionally reserved, and with dating experience or even labeled as playboys — are turned into simps in the drama. They act like they've never dated before, constantly apologizing, and don’t seem to care about their own lives after the breakup. Most of the time, they're just breathing and dreaming of seeing her again.

The best recent drama that displays this double standard and degrades the male lead into a simp that don't care about his life anymore after she leaves him , (unfortunately the apposite of the novel ml ) "as Beautiful as You" Cdrama, / and another is; the princess royal ml . ohh I just remember the worst for me it's like this fl always asking for divorce and always mistreated ml and misunderstanding him and any problem she leave the house and goes to her parents and she use him for her job , ohh it was a nightmare and he's one of big simps in Cdrama for me a Cdrama called you are my secret

Yes, unfortunately, drama adaptations always portray female leads as more experienced, emotionally controlled, and less affected by the end of the relationship — at least when it comes to the male lead. Ironically, many of these female leads only seem to change and struggle emotionally after breaking up with their exes, not with the male lead.

They often accept breakups and act like it's not a big deal. Meanwhile, male leads — even if they're depicted in the novel as strong, emotionally reserved, and experienced in dating (sometimes even labeled as playboys) — are turned into simps in the drama. They act like they've never dated before, constantly apologize, and seem completely lost after the breakup. Most of the time, they’re just breathing and dreaming of seeing her again.

The best recent example of this double standard, where the male lead is degraded into a simp who no longer cares about his life after the breakup (completely opposite of how he was in the novel), is the C-drama As Beautiful As You. Another one is The Princess Royal.

Oh, and I just remembered the worst one for me — the female lead is constantly asking for a divorce, always mistreats the male lead, misunderstands him, leaves the house over any minor issue to return to her parents, and even uses him for her own job. It was a nightmare to watch. The male lead is one of the biggest simps I've seen in a C-drama. The title is You Are My Secret.

northward, I didn't like it how both brothers love same woman and she have more time and chemistry with the one she friendzone than with ml , and how ml accept his brother also love his woman and say let see who she chose and be happy for the one 🤢🙄😅 what kind of thinking is that to let you brother get close to the woman you love and take his chances to change her mind to love him not you and you okay with that!? and I didn't like the sml for the same reason he was taking advantage of her kindness and she think about him like a good friend to be close to her and try to make her love him 😮‍💨😒

It's a Chinese drama. I bet you — and I haven't even watched it — that the male lead will do all the work. And if they break up or anything happens, he's the one who will get drunk, cry, and search for her for years, even if it's not his fault. I also read that he's another virgin ML, while she has experience and either an ex-husband or ex-boyfriend (as most of the C-dramas).

C-dramas never follow the novel plot when it comes to showing the female lead being weak because of love, taking the first step, or apologizing. I bet he's the one who apologizes while she plays hard to get — lol. Unfortunately, that's what C-dramas are: no equality, no dignity for the ML, and they rarely let the FL do any real emotional work.

Sure, the FL might do some work at the start, but as soon as the ML falls for her, he ends up doing double what she did, while she becomes even more stubborn than he was.

There are a few C-dramas where the FL actually does more chasing and doesn’t make it hard for the ML later — like Intense Love, Hidden Love, or Princess and the Lighter — but the majority are just about a virgin simp ML and a red-flag FL with an ex still lingering around.

lol ,just a woman will say there no drawback just benefits from high body count , maybe women like men with experience but men don't specially for the one they love and want to marry, they will sleep with high body count because it's just a one time thing but fie a wife the less she had the better for men,

there other drawbacks of dating a woman with high body count but I know women don't agree or even think of because it's something they don't have so they will say having high body count is good to have good sex , but it's a false reason to have high body count, specially the way this fl have it ,just because men also do it so she also wants to do it and want others to nit say anything about it,

thank you I appreciate it,

This is the absurd double standard in C-dramas and K-dramas, and the majority of viewers (mostly women) seem to like it. They enjoy watching perfect male leads who act like servants—loving unconditionally, treating the female leads like queens and princesses, never getting mad or angry at them, always being understanding, and constantly sacrificing for them. These male leads never expect an apology or for the female leads to do anything for them in return.

At the same time, many viewers dislike female leads who do less than half of that for the male leads in certain dramas—like Hidden Love, Lighter and Princess, or others—and label those female leads as "doormats" or worse. It’s not even about equality for them ; they want superiority over men.

They call a woman who takes care of the house and cooks for her man a "servant," but when a man does all that and works outside, they say he’s a "green forest" (a dream man), and that’s what love looks like. It always amazes me how some women think this is okay.

Life is harder for men in this regard. Women often lack empathy for traumatized men. They don’t even consider that men should act a certain way or express vulnerability, nor do they think that trauma might affect men's decisions.

I'm not saying all women think like this but unfortunately majority think like this at least in this app like green forest mls ( simps) but dislike fls green forest for mls ( because she's not a strong independent feminist even if she's independent and strong) because they think making men Simps for them is what makes them strong independent, and if she did something for a man it's making her weak and submissive lol , best example for me is the kdrama queen of tears,

and I bet they give her happy ending like she didn't do anything bad without any consequences!? typical Cdrama parents

but why some dramas do it openly but some has to censored and not even a long kissing to implies it but using boiling water and wake up fully dressed is not saying much 😅🤣 !?

hi ,
what episode they get together!? and is there a love triangle!!? and how many episodes they are separated!? thank you

it's you who don't understand what you're reading and I don't need to State everything I believe in in one comment and when you said something absurd I responded and it's the same shit women say of you discuss something with them is you're misogynist lol always insucure about some critical them even the lowest value kind of them still they defending them like you say their the low value or they're 304 ,

about my account if nothing on it because I created the account just to get spoilers about dramas to see if I want to watch it or not , not because I'm fan of what I watch and I will watch or rating dramas it's not something that important

I'm not if you meaning me and I don't see it that say female, why I hide behind it !? this some clown will do . 😅🤣 I never said from.start something you can think I'm a woman

sorry if I offend you earlier or something I don't mean it, it's just a discussion for me and that's it.


And that’s how it should be — the normal thing . But it’s so rare these days to find virgin women specially in the west world , and I agree with you: people should wait until marriage.

Now, I don’t agree with the idea that others (like me or anyone else) don’t have the right to say something just because “it’s their free choice.” I also have the freedom to speak about anything — from my perspective. Just because I express my opinion doesn’t mean I’m saying they should be punished or stopped. It’s their freedom, even if they act like dogs and cats (as some of them do) — it’s their bodies.

But I will still say it’s a disgusting thing to do, and insane.
That doesn’t mean I’ll say it to their faces or go attack them directly. But in a discussion, I will state my opinions about the matter. If someone acts like a low-value person, I will call them low value — man or woman. And if someone acts with high values, I will say that too. I don’t have any bias toward any gender. It’s about values and beliefs.

Because if we don’t say anything about anything — and just accept everything — then what kind of personality do we even have? If in the future they start saying that pedophilia is okay, like they already do in some parts of the world, are we supposed to say “it’s just their choice”!?
Where does it end!?

We’re already seeing in the West how they change children's gender, and then those children grow up and regret it. Some parents don’t even want that for their kids, but they’re forced to accept it. We see clowns teaching children about drag queens and “hundreds” of genders — even when parents disagree, it’s being forced on them.

And if you say anything against that, they call you “gender-phobic” or cancel you — especially if you’re a public figure. They force their agenda on everyone. And if you don’t follow it, you lose your job.
Why don’t they say it’s also the freedom of others to not support them?
Exactly — because their movement wouldn’t succeed if each person just focused on themselves. That’s why they force their beliefs on others.

But now, religious and conservative people are expected to respect their clown behavior because it’s “freedom”!? 😅

Sorry, I got off topic — but I just wanted to respond to that idea that agreeing with everything makes you safe. It doesn’t.
Because one day, you will be shamed for simply believing in your values.

And what’s the end of all this?

Honestly, I say the end of the world is the only end that will stop those 🤡

to be clear, I don't give a dam about them in real life or say this to anyone no men or women, they live like they want, even those who say they're cats or dogs and other 🤡 stuff, because it's not affecting my life or I will ever be in same table with them , and this only saying opinions about the matter, and I know majority will not like what I'm saying or change anything, but I just stating my takes on this topics, and I like discussions unfortunately no discussion here with good faith it's meaningless and even insulting, and no respect to read and understand before response, sorry if I offend you when I assume you sleeping around 🤗. I just hope you read before response like you defending against an enemy like feminism say men are the enemy tell a degree that if a man say 2+2=4 they still want to disagree, because they always think it's a battle againsten and should never make men have some good points. I know it's bad saying this to you because you're a proud feminist but I hope your feminist of the good side of it not the toxic one


I never defend body count for men or women. Just because I talk about something and explain why it is the way it is, doesn't mean I'm defending it — it's just for the sake of argument, not because I support it. Even my first comment was a joke about the plot of a drama, not even a serious discussion.

But I like how you assume I'm a supporter of Andrew Tate or other things, yet if I assumed you’re sleeping around because you’re defending certain behaviors, it would be wrong, right? So it’s okay for you to assume things about me, but not okay if I do the same? 😅

I’ve always blamed men for being easy, and the thing I dislike most in dramas is simping male leads — the ones who do so much for a female lead who keeps rejecting them multiple times.

People talk about women being easy because it’s already known that the majority of men will sleep with almost anything. But it’s women who make it easy for them, because sex only happens if a woman allows it. If she doesn’t, men won’t get it. That’s why you see weak men cheating with OnlyFans girls — because their wives mostly don’t give them sex. So they cheat. (And no, I’m not defending cheaters or blaming women for it 😅 — I’m just stating facts for the sake of discussion.)

Both are wrong: the man for cheating, and the woman for withholding sex. Ideally, he should talk about it or get a divorce. But unfortunately, it’s hard for men to get divorced, so they tolerate it — and the weak ones end up cheating.

The real stupidity is saying, “We won’t shame women,” but then turning around and shaming men — as if it’s only wrong to shame one gender. That’s the difference between us. If someone does something shameful — man or woman — I will call them out. I don’t pick sides when it comes to shame and responsibility.

Feminism has good points, but right now it’s more toxic than red pill ideology. At least red pill men still admit that women are important to society. Feminism, on the other hand, is so delusional that it claims we don’t need men at all, and says all men are bad. You’ll hear some say they’d rather live with a bear than a man — and that kind of stupidity gets defended.

Feminists talk about “freedom” and say body count doesn’t matter, sex work is just another job, and that women don’t need to do anything for their men — instead, men should worship them. And still, men are expected to feel “lucky” to be with them. You really think it’s a good thing for most men if women have high body counts? No — it just benefits the simps who want easy sex without effort.

Back in the day, high-value women had standards. A man had to earn her. Now? It's become so easy that any loser can get with a girl who calls herself “high value” but gives herself away to anyone. That’s not feminism — it’s a plan to make it easier for simps and low-effort men to get sex.

And just to make a point: one of those OnlyFans girls made $40 million in a single month — and she was a “virgin” who didn’t even show her naked body. Imagine that! Simps still prefer virgins, even fake ones. And I blame those idiot simps. Some send hundreds of thousands of dollars and don’t even get to touch the girl! Anyone who says it’s not men’s fault is insane.

But I bet you’ve only paid attention to the times I mentioned women being easy — not the parts where I clearly blame men too. Maybe because of some insecurity or bias, you feel the need to defend 304s (hoes), not shame them. Because according to feminism, “men do it too” is a reason to never criticize women.

That’s not how I think. I’m religious — and in my values, both men and women get the same judgment if they behave like 304s.

From the beginning, I said “men” — simps who wait in line to be number 1000 to sleep with a 304. That’s the lowest and most degrading thing a man can do. But you only highlight it when I say women are easy — even though women today often claim to be high value while acting the opposite. At least those men know they’re low value.

See the difference?

Probably not — because toxic feminism never agrees on anything that’s critical of women. Even if you say the sky is blue and a woman says it’s pink, feminists will defend her. Because, in their eyes, women are always right, never wrong. No accountability, no self-awareness, no real discussion without insults.

And if you criticize 304s, feminists will defend them — because “it’s their right.” But criticize men for doing the exact same thing? Suddenly, it’s shameful.

Again, I’m against body count for both MEN and WOMEN, and I shame both for low-value behavior. I support women’s rights — but not the belief that they deserve everything just for existing, like feminism promotes.

Feminists want equal pay — but not equal effort. In sports, for example: men’s leagues like the NBA or soccer generate billions, and players get paid accordingly. Women’s leagues generate millions — yet still demand the same salaries. Equality should be about opportunity, not outcome. You’ll never see a feminist ask for equal pay in industries where women earn more than men, like modeling or OnlyFans. Where’s the fairness in that?

Feminism is only about “equality” when it benefits them. 🤡

Where did I say I support Andrew Tate just because I stated some facts about him? Let’s be clear — you’re acting like the majority of feminists who don’t listen or read properly before responding.

In all my comments, I blame both men and women, but you just pick a few words and twist my entire message. I never said I support Andrew Tate — I support equality, evidence, and the law. If he’s a criminal, he should be behind bars. But after months of investigation, they still couldn’t prove him guilty? I’m not going to call someone a criminal just because I feel like it.

If you have evidence that proves he’s a criminal, you should go to the police and submit it — and I’d appreciate that too.

And if I agree with something he says, it’s not because he said it — it’s because my religion said it long before he did. I knew those principles before I even knew who Andrew Tate was. I bet you didn’t even read the part where I also blame the men who promote high body counts and having many girlfriends. No — you just focused on the part where I said that the so-called “304” who accused him of trafficking is now in court against him and admitted she got paid to lie about it .

I’m a virgin, and I will only marry a virgin — not like you, who sleeps around, calls it “empowerment,” and then blames men for being “easy” when you’re the one making it easy for them.

you see how you make all your reply about being Andrew Tate supporter when it's not even true and I have no problem if I was to say I'm but it's something alien to you and your thinking, of you say sky is green no one should say it's blue if he said it he's brainless!!

Have a good day and life.
Bye.

LOL, what kind of logic is this!? So when men do it, it's bad, but when women do it, it's somehow good!? You say a man making his body 'used' is wrong to a degree, but when a woman does the same, it’s okay? No! Both get devalued — not just men or women. Respect or lack of it goes both ways.

Why are you talking like a red pill guy yourself while acting like you're better than them? Yes, both men and women shouldn’t give themselves to low-value people. Why is it only one gender that’s expected to act with modesty and value?

When I criticize women, I also blame men. But I’ve noticed that when people like you criticize men, you still praise women — even when they're doing the same disrespectful things you blame men for.

And I don’t even want to talk about Andrew Tate's cases because they’ve become a joke. The woman who accused him is the one going to prison now for lying. As for him making money from simps by using women — isn’t that the same logic feminism uses to defend OnlyFans and sex work? That it’s a woman’s free choice? Or am I wrong?

If a woman can freely choose to sell herself online, isn’t Tate also being smart by taking advantage of that? It’s not like he forced them — unless you’re saying women are too stupid to know what they’re doing when they choose to sell their bodies and work with him. Your argument contradicts itself. Feminists always blame men for everything but never admit it's also their (women’s) mistake.

If he’s truly a criminal and did all the things he's accused of, then why hasn’t he gone to prison? And why haven’t the women who worked for him sued him for 'taking advantage' of them?

I don’t follow Andrew Tate, red pill, green pill, or even feminism like you do. I have my own ideology — based on my religion, which forbids sex before marriage, tells me to protect and provide for women, to respect them, and to feel disgusted by both 304 men and women, as well as by simps who have no dignity and agree with everything women say just for a small chance at sex.

And finally — feminists should be the ones held more accountable. They’re the ones who opened the door to sleeping around and still blame men for everything. In the past, a man had to prove himself and marry a woman to even touch her. Now women have lowered their self-respect so much they sleep with men whose names they don’t even know, and still call themselves ‘valuable’ because they’re doing whatever they want.

These days, you see 304 adult stars proudly talking about sleeping with over 1000 men in a single day, and no one is allowed to criticize it — because apparently that’s what feminism stands for: free choice, no judgment, and zero accountability "bad feminism at least."

LOL, I want to ended because I know you don't discuss with good faith from start and inhiat ignore it so it's only wasting time because you can never discuss with a feminist about what's good for society because they only think about themselves and their pleasure.

it's not true that most men have a higher body count than women. It's not even logical—just look at how simps beg for sex. A simple Google search will show you the truth. I’ll say it again: I see both men and women with high body counts the same — all bad.

But I blame women more, because they hold the power when it comes to choosing who to sleep with and how many. There's a double standard here, because it's so much easier for women to have sex than it is for men. If you disagree with that, I honestly don’t know what else to say.

Why is it considered bad when I don’t have any woman and live peacefully, but it’s easy and even praised when you do the same? From start to finish, you've called me stupid, said I lack critical thinking, and thrown other insults — but no one says you're degrading men?

It's always the same with feminism — if something is against a woman, it’s suddenly wrong, but if she uses it against a man, it’s fair game. And men are supposed to just stay quiet because “she’s a woman, so she must be right.”

You said you’ll live your life without a man, but the majority of women who say that still have one-night stands with random low-value men — men they don’t even know the names of, unfortunately.

Women who give it to anyone and have a high body count are 304s — and men who do the same with those kinds of women are just as bad in my opinion. I don’t agree with Andrew Tate or those podcast guys who say it’s okay for men to have multiple girlfriends and a high body count just because they’re rich. Those women accept degrading things because of money, and somehow, in your logic, it’s only the men’s fault — those women are “just doing what they want,” and that’s okay?

And when you say “you’re sure being with a woman is what I want in life,” that’s just another feminist argument to make it seem like you’re stronger or more in control than me. When a man says he’s okay not having a woman, feminists call him gay or say there’s something wrong with him. But when a woman says she doesn’t need a man — like you did — it’s “empowerment” and a good thing. No one says she’s a lesbian or questions her.

Do you see the double standards and contradictions in your statements — or in feminism in general?

You're right — women should do that. But unfortunately, what many women are doing right now shows a lack of critical thinking. They’re so easily make bad decisions that they always blame men for it some how .

And you're right — men are simple creatures. If all the women in the world decided to wait until marriage to have sex, and only marry men who meet certain standards, I’m sure the majority of men would rise to meet those expectations. This isn't just empty talk — it was the norm in the past. But now, because of feminism, that idea is seen as abusive or toxic.

Waiting until marriage and having a good husband — where both partners play their roles — used to be the ideal. But now, women are told the better option is to have a high body count and not even consider marriage, because “men are bad.” So it’s okay to give men easy access and sleep with them repeatedly — but not okay to choose wisely and wait?

That’s what bad feminism has become. It’s no longer just about equal rights — it’s about making men out to be worse than animals, promoting the idea that “we don’t need men,” and pushing women to prioritize careers while shaming those who choose to be housewives or take care of their husbands, calling them weak or without self-respect — as if they’re just maids.

It’s a long topic, and not something that can be fully discussed here. So I’ll end it here.

Have a good day.

I see what you did😅.

but still — what we have now is that women also don’t do what you (and I) want them to do. Instead, many of them use their advantage for personal benefit, like all the 304s in the world who sleep with anyone just for pleasure. That’s why it's very rare in the West to find virgins.

Unfortunately, fewer and fewer women have high standards or wait for the right one. Instead, they give themselves to many people and call it "freedom" or say “the past is the past.” They live a 304 lifestyle, and after they’ve had their fun, they expect a good man to marry them.

What we often see in the West is that many women give it easily to losers, but when they meet a high-quality man, they suddenly hold out for many dates, testing him to see if he only wants sex or something more. So they test him by withholding it.

Of course, there are still high-value women and men who respect themselves and don’t live by what’s between their legs. Many of them are religious and have morals.

It would be great if women rejected men’s advances and only chose those who truly deserved them. And it would be even better if they waited until marriage — if they wanted to get married — because that would push more men to improve themselves and become better. Sadly, many men, as you said, only think with their lower half.

I don’t want to get into the other stuff you mentioned — like what some feminists say about women being more intelligent and men being lower human beings — because it’s simply not true, especially when we look at how the world is right now. The way the world has turned out is the responsibility of both men and women.

And just like there are low-value men who will wait for hours or even a day just for a chance, there are also women who wait for guys like Chris Brown, NBA players, footballers, or rich men to give them attention. So it’s not about one gender being smarter or more stupid — it’s about both. If we keep thinking one side is always better than the other, we just make things worse.

We can already see where toxic feminism is taking us — the kind that wishes men didn’t exist.

Sorry, but I disagree with you about who have the power to decide about having sex. It’s women who choose who they want to sleep with — otherwise, it’s rape even married women have the power to say no and the husband has to respect that and wait till she wants it I think we agree on this there less husbands who use sex like a power card to make his wife do things or reward of he do something that she likes . Women are the ones who make it easy or hard for men. There’s no such thing as “men opening their legs”; unfortunately, it’s women who do that. And because many men are so easy and willing to sleep with anything, they’ll even stand in line all day just to be number 1000 with a 304 (hoe).

Yes, men are easy to convince to have sex, but it’s women who make it easy for them. I’ve never defended men — so why do people read my comments and completely misunderstand them, acting like I hate women or only blame them?

There are women who sleep with someone on the first date, and there are women who wait until the fifth date or even until marriage. Some men with options may or may not wait, but the majority of men — if they like a woman or don’t have other options — will wait until she decides he's the right one.

If women didn’t have the power in this matter, they wouldn’t be getting rich off it. It’s a good job for them — even just selling pictures online. No man is making that kind of money from selling naked pictures of himself. 😅🤣🤣

I wish people would understand what I’m saying without judging me, like I’m a misogynist or defending men — because I’m not. I clearly said above that I blame men more.

If you understand that line, it's mainly blaming men—and unfortunately, it's the truth. Why is something like OnlyFans a $40 billion company, with some 304s making millions a month? Because of simps—weak men—and many of them are even married.

Also, I disagree with the claim that men have higher body counts than women. That only applies to a minority of men who have easy access. The majority of men are so far removed from that reality, they would line up for a chance with a 304 who sleeps with a thousand men in a single day. If most men had easy access, would they really go that far for such shameful behavior?

Why don’t we see women doing the same? (Except maybe with some rappers or celebrities, and even then it's usually low-value women.) The truth is, many men don’t even have one partner, and there are more virgin men than women—not because they choose to be, but because they can’t get anyone. (I'm talking mostly about the Western world here.)

And I noticed in this K-drama : they often portray women as having fewer past relationships than men—but if you look at majority of kdramas it’s actually the opposite. In most recent romance K-dramas, the male lead is often a virgin , while the female lead usually has an ex. Most of the time, the male lead falls in love with her after she’s broken up with him 😅.

Sorry for the long paragraphs—I just want to make it clear that I don’t hate women. In fact, I blame men more than women in this matter. It’s the simps and low-value men making stupid decisions to chase false satisfaction who are the real problem and women also have a big part of that