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Yes. I was just gonna write about this. Everything Eddie Broke said is true.
Both ZZS and WKX were not writed in the novel in a way to make the readers pity them, but in a way for people to understand them well and relate to them. Just like how Yan Wushi was writed by Meng Xi Shi in Thousand autumns, Priest also wrote them to give the impression from the start that they are bad guys, have blood of their hands, are in no way better than the overly vicious villains from the novel. So even through Priest give a heartbreaking backgrounds for them, in not moment it tried to excuses their actions, or portrayed them as they having not choice. People who read Lord Seventh before reading Faraway wanderers know even better of how many ruthless and cruel actions ZZS has done before meeting WKX.
WKX and ZZS are portrayed as both of them being who they are because of he choices they make and how the circumstances shaped them to be, but not excusing their actions in any way, and not having any of them deceiving themselves and each other as being anything they don`t are.
This is the reason WKX and ZZS dynamic is in my top three in my favorite novels, after Thousand autumns ( because of how true to his evil and bad nature Yan Wushi was writed, and i think is one of a kind character in the world of bl novels) and Mo Du ( this is because of how charming the dynamic of Fei Du and Luo Wenzhou is, and how deep Priest has chosen to explore the darkness and gloomy part of Fei Du and how it managed to explore how his experiences managed to shape him the way he is). Beiyuan and Wu Xi is close to how charming Zhou Zishu and Wen Kexing are, the novel Lord Seventh deserve to be more popular.
But i know why both Lord Seventh and Faraway wanderers are not as popular, as is obvious that they are one of the earliest novels, the loose ends and endings are not as well wrapped as Priest later novels.
What can i say, i enjoy more novels that goes deeper in the characterizations of the characters and not shying away of describing the flaws and dark traiths that the characters may have.

I agree with Etnaa, if censorship towards bl dramas adaptations will be removed in China, good and experienced actors will not play anymore in those productions, not at this point in time at least, maybe in the future.
Either they will still made the productions as before the censorship is removed or they will cast unknown actors, who have not experience, like how Taiwan and Thailand is doing it, and the adaptations will not be as good.
Korea it started making changes little by little but it will take a while. They still at the stage of making webseries, with casting rookie or inexperienced actors who are willing to play on those productions to gain exposure, but depending of the mindset of those actors, some productions are very good, some are very lacking.
Japan is the only country who has taken the step to cast good and experienced actors in movies starting from last year, with Cornered cheese dreams of mouse and Restart after come back home, and dramas like Cheery magic and Life sejou no bokura (all four productions are based on mangas, as usually Japan make adaptations more frequently from mangas than novels).
And people have to keep in mind, Japan is the origin of the bl fenomen in asian countries, they have been doing bl productions consistently for many years, ( at least from 2007 until now) so the changes has come after years of making them and the general public becoming more accepting towards lgtbq community. I think more and more good productions will come from Japan in the next years. Narita Ryo from Cornered cheese has even won an award for his role as Imagase.

It shouldn`t matter how people rate the dramas, and on what basis they give a higher or a lower rating than what a person think is acceptable, as is people right to rate a drama how they want to.
I also take into an account the overall rating of the drama when i rate a drama or a novel, and if the rating is higher then i think if i should, i lower the rating and if is lower i give the drama a higher rating.
Comments like how people has given to you here should only be based on how well you expressed your opinion, and not be preconceived because you`ve given the drama a low rating. I think you argumented what the issues you have with the drama quite clearly and you summarized them well, i got the core of what you wanted to say.
The thing i am bothered a lot is the fact that people who made an account to rate and review this drama after watching it, not matter if it was because he/she did it because it wanted to give a lower or higher rating, if the rating is low and it has some criticism, that person is automatically placed in the category of toxic fans of Untamed or another fandom , who want to bring down the drama. This actually happens more often that it should, and even in other danmei adaptations pages, and is unsettling me to watch this.
Usually people made an account because they want to be part of giving a rating of the drama, write a review or share an opinion. That`s how most accounts are made in MDL, people have to start from somewhere, but are feeling looked down and dispirited when people label them like this when they didn`t even settle in MDL properly yet.
Some people just aren`t a fan of a specific drama, i started appreciating Untamed more after i watched the adaptations released after, but i don`t consider myself a fan of a drama only, i am fan of bl asian dramas, movies and some bl chinese novels, who is disappointed on how the drama has adapted the novel.
Honestly, the majority of chinese bl novels are not that great, but i assure that the majority that get adapted are one of the best ones, their popularity in China was the reason their license were bought to be adapted after all.
Almost all novels that danmei adaptation dramas are based of are worth reading, with the exception of S.C.I Mystery for people who don`t like reading crime/detective novels and The Husky and His White Cat Shizun ( the novel Immortality is based of) for people who can`t stand forced intimate scenes, as it has a lot. I think the novel The Husky and His White Cat Shizun has more hype that it should, but i understand why people will like the novel, all people taste should be respected and it also change in time.
Faraway wanderers by Priest, that WOH is based of, is one of my favorite, but i can see is not as good as Founder of diabolism (FOD) and not as well writed as other novels of Priest, but is still one of the best if i compare with the majority of bl novels curently translated in Novelupdates.
If you hesitated reading the novel because is bl, in comparation with FOD who has some explicite intimate scenes, Faraway wanderers and the majority of Priest novels, and almost all the novels the drama adaptations are based of, have minimal descriptions of intimate scenes, sometime just some mentions so people know that the characters took the final step.
For the great bl novels, the rich world building, clever storyline, complex and intricate connections between the characters, charming and strong characters are the strengths of the novels, and the romantic same sex relationship are just a bonus and it can be even ignored sometime. I am also very picky to what i read as some novels don`t deserve my time. Everyone time is precious.

I want to speak those words especially to penutbuterjelly, since it seems she has to comment in every comment of mine, and those i made are really rare, since i really don't like comment to this page.
She and many people are commenting here like they know everything, like everyone that post a comment that hint they start to give criticism or point a flaw this drama has, even if they give a reasonable argument of why they think like that, it means that person is a fan of Untamed or another danmei adaptation, is jealous of how succesful the drama is, and because of this they have made a new account to give negative comments or low rating, reviews or things like this.
Maybe they are some people who do that, i don`t say they are not, but why do people like to generalize like this?
Why people like to intimidate, give opposite opinions on comments that are not as positive as they want to be?
This limit freedom of speach, and honest and open discussions to be made, and some people are just plainly rude, like how peanutbuterjelly was to me recently. It has said to me that i am toxic, and my thinking is disgusting, when i was nothing but respectful to anyone in this page, just based on a polite and diplomatic reply a made on a review. I don`t even comment on this drama almost at all . I usally prefer to stick to others danmei drama pages, since some of the comments made this are just disrespectful and ignorant.
I was commenting on a review that has given a low rating to the drama, yes it has given 1, but he made some reasonable opinions that i could relate to, as i read the novel and compared how the drama adapted the drama and what the impression it has given me. The fact that i have given a comment where i agreed with some of the toughts that person did, don`t mean that i also will rate the drama as 1 or i agree with how he rated the drama as 1, just to be clear. I am shocked that people will think that, agreeing with some words writed don`t mean i agree with everything a person writes, and this aply to everyone usually.
Maybe people has encountered my comments in a lot of damnei adaptation dramas, since i have a lot of favorite novels that will get drama adaptations.
I hope peanutbutterjelly and other people here who only like to judge people so easily based on some few comments just because they feel they don`t match their toughts will not take a liking on any of other upcoming dramas adaptations and make comments like this there too.
I just don`t get people who think two dramas who are different can`t not have aspects that can be compared to make a point what some drama did better, and what some other drama lacks. Comparing dramas is a way to show and argument that it ca be done, that it was done, how things could be better.
I can`t wait to see how the upcoming danmei dramas that will be released are compared to Untamed or Word of honor, Guardian and others. Yes, the story is totally different, but you can always find similarity or differences that you can compare. Comparing dramas is a way to also recommand to people in few words how a drama, or how a novel is, usually is not a bad thing.
I also usually when i recommend novels, i compare a novel with what that the person has already read, so he can quickly figure it out what to expect the novel to be quality wise.
Anyway, i am a bit disappointed of this page, for a while now, as i am not a new user in MDL. I know of this website for years, and i made an account in 2018.
I also especially from this year i enjoy helping people with information or giving my toughts about different things in various bl asian dramas and movies in general not only danmei adaptations, and people are usually very polite, helpful and open to disscuss and exchange toughts, but this is one of the most stuffy pages i encountered.

I didn't find anything disgusting in the review, omg. I don't want to lower myself at your level.
Yes maybe the person was not expressing herself as well as she/he wanted, but you can tell he was honest and he argumented well the opinion.

Lol. I was replying his comment, who i found many points where i agree too. I don't mean that i agree with the rating. Maybe he rated the drama so low to balance the rating a bit, since they are plently of people who had given a higher rating.

OMG. Really? . Nobody can have a honest, open discussion here without you commenting something.
Do you actually saw me criticizing the drama frequently on the drama page?
Even when i found some people who has similar toughts like me, i can't have a decent discussions without you saying something or anyone else.
I think also this person has expressed why he think this way about this drama quite clearly.
I am really getting angry now, you know.
What is wrong with you?
I am an user in MDL for years, you desperate woman.
You can find me commenting for years on asian bl series, not only danmei adaptations. I watch bl movies and dramas from all asian countries.
No offense but you're getting paranoid, not everyone make new accounts to criticize the drama without basis or to pull it down. Some people opinions is made after watching countless dramas and movies over the years and honestly thinking that the drama could have been better and it has many things that was disappointing personally to them.

Imagase left at the beach scene and he reunited with Kyoichi after he already got together with Tamaki. The second scene at the beach that was shown much later in the story was the continuation of the first and it was added later as per director wish probably. It was his choice for the remaining of the conversation they have at the beach to be revealed later. This choice of montage appear in other asian movies too, is not unusual.
Also when Imagase was planning to sleep with that other guy, but started crying because he couldn`t continue , added at the end of the movie is also an inclusion with different interpretations. It`s most likely it has taken place not after Imagase left Kyochi at the end, but much earlier in the story , for exemple after the beach scene when they were not longer together or even much earlier, as before Imagase moved with Kyoichi. I suspect they added the beach scene as two cut scenes at two separate times, to hint that that sleeping scene of Imagase with that guy has also taken place more earlier, the interpretation left to the viewer ( as if the scenes shown are not liniar, that scene could also taken place at another time). In the manga the scenes were liniar, Imagase has never cheated in Kyoichi when he was together with him, but not even when they separated after things got serious between them, he didn`t sleep with anyone.
The beach scene and the sleeping with other guy scenes don`t have anything to do with Kyochi waiting for Imagase at the end. Pretend it wasn`t shown.
Kyochi is waiting for Imagase because Imagase left in the morning after they slept together the night before, so after they had that conversation that Kyochi will break up with Tamaki and has ask him to live together. Imagase has panicked temporarily, as he didn`t wanted to trust him again, he was let down again and again after all, and Kyoichi really appear he is seriously with him this time. Imagase probably tought what if they can`t make things work again even if Kyoichi is serious. Who can blame him, Kyouichi didn`t given him any reassurance before.
In the manga, Imagase reunite with Kyichi, but the movie has chosen to end earlier and change some things to make it more realistic.
For more details, go read the comments in the discussion thread named Analysis, Insights & Info Thread *SPOILERS*. I am sure you will find all the questions answered there, i also posted some comments there.

I want to thank you for writing this, as you mentioned all the issues i have with this drama, that me as well, could notice them without even reading the novel, but as i read the novel, are also much more easily to spot and make me disappointed even more.
I relate with some things you said and you even convince that is the time to give this drama a ever low rating that i given it initially. The fact that you clearly saw all the inconsistencies in the drama when you didn`t even read the novel, make me think that they are even people out there like me who don`t watch dramas or movies only to pass time and like for the story told to make sense at least and to make me think that i know how the characters are like and then based on this, i can deduce why they `re acting like this. The fun of watching dramas is to feel that you relate to the characters, understand their actions and be touched by their convincing actions. And they are too little scenes in this drama when i was able to do that.
The novel is ten times better, ten times consistent and is on the short side, an early writed novel when the writer didn`t probably had a richer experience in writing as the other later novels, but is still ten times enjoyable to read.
The drama changed a lot the characterization of ZZS but they kept his background and his personality from the novel for the first 6 eps, and then they have him have a big change of behaviour, that`s why he is in my opinion the most inconsistent main character from all danmei adaptations made until now, including donghuas. They also didn`t manage to keep the characterization of WKX consistent, even through he was the most ruthless one in the novel and in the drama it seems it will be portrayed as wiling to kill anyone for his goals until the end, but in the end, they tried to excuse his actions too and make him seem less bad, sigh.
Also yes, it`s obviouslly this drama has a lot of fanservice included that don`t bring nothing to the plot or the characterization of the characters, and make the relationship even less genuine and like it has bloomed from pure air. The reason for this is because they made ZZS warm up to WKX much more early than in the novel, being much more warm and friendly in the drama in general, more warm than even in the part of the novel when they knew they loved each other, and because of this their closeness in the drama feel a bit unnatural, like it can shatter in any moment, it isn`t as deep as in the novel. Essentialy the drama hadn`t given then properly chances to build their relationship.
And you`re right, in this page, people are silenced and bullied if someone try to call out any flaws they think about the drama and is not right. Any page has people who criticize the drama and if the arguments brought forth are reasonable i enjoy reading them and give credit when is duo. Even on Untamed page, who as you said it has little aspects that can be criticized are discussions where flaws are aborded and i think are reasonable, but in this page is straight bullying.
I am one of the people who really wished for the drama to be succesful and to give me the excitement i felt for the first episodes, but i was brutaly disappointed, and i don`t think i am the only one and it make me feel sad that people are attacked left and right when they dare to speak openly about this.
I also love the novel Thousand autumns a lot , the donghua is such a wonderful adaptation,and the drama that will adapt the novel will start filming this year, also a lot of dramas based on the novels that i like will be released in the future, and if i observe that the adaptations are not in par with the novels, i will not hesitate to criticize the hell on the inconsistencies made. Discussions like this are refreshing and enjoyable, i really don`t get most people on this page, is like the hype had got on their heads .

I want to thank you for writing this, as you mentioned all the issues i have with this drama, that me as well, could notice them without even reading the novel, but as i read the novel, are also much more easily to spot and make me disappointed even more.
I relate with some things you said, and you even convince me that is the time to give this drama a ever low rating that i given it initially. The fact that you clearly saw all the inconsistencies in the drama when you didn`t even read the novel, make me think that they are even people out there like me who don`t watch dramas or movies only to pass time and like for the story told to make sense at least and to make me think that i know how the characters are like and then based on this, i can deduce why they `re acting like this. The fun of watching dramas is to feel that you relate to the characters, understand their actions and be touched by their convincing actions. And they are too little scenes in this drama when i was able to do that.
The novel is ten times better, ten times consistent and is on the short side, an early writed novel when the writer didn`t probably had a richer experience in writing as the other later novels, but is still ten times enjoyable to read.
The drama changed a lot the characterization of ZZS but they kept his background and his personality from the novel for the first 6 eps, and then they have him have a big change of behaviour, that`s why he is in my opinion the most inconsistent main character from all danmei adaptations made until now, including donghuas. They also didn`t manage to keep the characterization of WKX consistent, even through he was the most ruthless one in the novel and in the drama it seems it will be portrayed as wiling to kill anyone for his goals until the end, but in the end, they tried to excuse his actions too and make him seem less bad, sigh.
In the drama ZZS was portrayed to be much more righteous than in the novel, with him even giving WKX the cold shoulder and arguing with him that by continuing with his revenge plans, he will indirectly made people get hurt, or killed. They also made ZZS warm up to WKX much more early than in the novel, being much more warm and friendly in the drama in general, more warm than even in the part of the novel when they knew they loved each other, and because of this their closeness in the drama feel a bit unnatural, like it can shatter in any moment, it isn`t as deep as in the novel. ZZS also was presented in the drama as having regrets, feeling qulty, and have a hard time moving on, accepting his past and starting anew, by having him be relieved that CL wanted to be his disciple and that WKX family was part to his sect too in the past, so as he still found some other people that are part of his sect, and even this plot didn`t end up going anywhere. In the novel, ZZS was described as accepting his past, being in peace with what he has done, knowing that it was not only his fault, he was also a child at the time when he was manipulated in joining forces with Prince Jin, so he didn`t have some remaining wishes, desire to start a new sect, and for any moment didn`t he judge any of the bad guys for the actions they take, as he was one of them.
The story of ZZS and WKX is as interesting as it is. because they can empathize with each other, but at the same time, not trying to change each other, but only intervine in each other life to give each other hope and willingness to continue living, because they have each other.
The drama also changed the dynamic ZZS and WKX has with Wu Xi or Great Shaman and his partner, Beiyuan or Lord seventh in the novel. Because i also know very well how they are in their own respective novel, as they are also the main characters of another novel By Priest, and how iconic their scenes are in the novel Faraway wanderers too, i was even more disappointed.
Also yes, it`s obviouslly this drama has a lot of fanservice included that don`t bring nothing to the plot or the characterization of the characters, and make the relationship even less genuine and like it has bloomed from pure air. Essentialy the drama hadn`t given then properly chances to build their relationship.
In this page, people are silenced and bullied if someone try to call out any flaws they think about the drama and is not right. Any page has people who criticize the drama and if the arguments brought forth are reasonable i enjoy reading them and give credit when is duo. Even on Untamed page, who as you said it has little aspects that can be criticized are discussions where flaws are aborded and i think are reasonable, but in this page is straight bullying.
I am one of the people who really wished for the drama to be succesful and to give me the excitement i feel for the first episodes, but i was brutaly disappointed, and i don`t think i am the only one and it make me feel sad that people are attacked left and right when they dare to speak openly about this.
I also love the novel a lot Thousand autumns, the donghua is such a wonderful adaptation,and the drama that will adapt the novel will start filming this year, also a lot of dramas based on the novels that i like will be released in the future, and if i observe that the adaptations are not in par with the novels, i will not hesitate to criticize the hell on the inconsistencies made. Discussions like this are refreshing and enjoyable, i really don`t get most people on this page, is like the hype had got on their heads .

Thay added the ending from the manga in the director cut version. Search the director cut one.

The characters do separate at some point in the drama, but thay reunite after, and they end up together. This drama actually is based on a manga, and Japan usually adapts their dramas and movies faithfully when they are based on a manga or novel.

I get you. For me the acting in all these three dramas is so cringe, but i tought at least Colour rush explore the story in a more deeper level.

Yes, i agree. In my opinion, taking overall into consideration, the best between the three is Color rush, followed by Wish you and the worst is this drama.

I am glad i helped. And yes, you're right, japanese movies are just something special. We are lucky we got to see them.

What do you mean by this lol, you make me laugh?
If you mean the two main characters has sex in the movie, a really realistic, hot, and passionate as i hadn`t seen from a long time from Japan., YES OF COURSE.
If you mean if the actors are actually really having sex, A BIG NO.
This is not a porn movie, but is a really realistic as it could be, if is considered is adapted from a manga, and it has actually well known, experienced actors lol.
Okura Tadayoshi and Narita Ryo are experienced and respected actors in japanese entertainment industry, search them if you don`t believe me.
If the movie made you have those thoughts, it means that JAPAN has stepped up their game, as it can make people have a hard time believing that they could be so bold and daring in showing these kind of intimate scenes.

Yes. I agree on everything you said, but especially the fact that Mo Du is one of the best writed novels ever. In my opinion Mo Du is the best writed novel of Priest, from the ones translated of her that i read until now. All novels of Priest are a unique piece on their own right, all are, but Mo Du just has a very soft spot in my heart.
It's just more completely writed and you just get a full grasp of characters on a more deeply level than the rest of her novels.
It's like Priest was really confident and knew very well what she was doing when she writed this novel. I can't imagine the amount of thinking and research she has done to write this novel.

Yes he is stunning, and the perfect fit for Fei Du, appearance wise.

I will return your comment, WELL SAID.
Like i said before, i really want people to understand how toxic for the actors and actress careers and damaging this thinking can be for dramas/movies in general. As those kind of toughts, if is applied in actions and the company productions and entertainment industry in general don`t try to make changes by not encuraging this kind of toughts, it will give too much power to fans of dramas and movies in general, not only bl productions, and this is never good.
Dramas and movies can never get to be released or be cancelled, lose money and all the hard work is for nothing, as a result of these kind of thoughts, if people unite to complain, criticize or express toughts that they wouldn`t support the drama if they don`t like something about an actor, like how in this case dating/married.
South Korea had this problem and it was severely, as some point in the past, where they considered especially the idols, but actors as well dating news as scandals and it influenced their music and acting career. Now, things changed in Korea related to this. But it didn`t changed once and for all in general and i firmly believe if the entertainment agencies continue to take in considerations fans complains, criticism towards their idols, and not doing their job to protect them lol, the entertainment industry in Korea will destroy from inside. I can see it already happening, with all the canceling of a lot of actors in recent cases of bullying and other scandals that actors and idols had because the companies and agencies failed to protect their artist. I`m not saying not punishing actors when is proven they are guilty, or not criticizing them when they should, but it should be a limit to how much agencies and entertainment industry should listen to fans.
These toughts are the most toxic kind, not matter what anyone say, people can have different kind of toxic toughts about something related with the characters , actors, but these kind of toughts is just too unhealthy.
Thoughts that the fact that the actors are dating or married make people uncomfortable to watch their characters interacting or they being cast in productions like this is disrespectful to the spouse is just bullshit, even in the past people didn`t have this kind of toughts. And the most baffling one, the fact that is okay if the actors casted in BG dramas and movies are dating or married and in bl productions not, lol, why? This is really problematic and discriminative, what this world is becoming to be?
These actors are doing their job, a job, people usually don`t get fired from their job because of their personal issues or what is happening in their personal life. Yes they gain more money , and i agree, they are public figures, so if they want to continue doing their job, they have to be careful on how they behave, but those should refer to not do criminal acts, some really messed up and selfish acts than a lot of people can agree is wrong, but not refraining themselves from dating, getting married, divorcing for fear their chances of getting roles are in jeopardy.
Yes, the actors gain more, but people also has to understand:
-- the selfcare they have to care for, needs a lot of money to be mentained, even if they want to or not
-- the pressure is huge, this job come with a high risk of depression, anxiety, panic attacks, beside the natural talent for acting
-- is not easy to act, most people would tremble just knowing they are filmed, what are we talking about.
I think WOH production team was really selfish and careless by only thinking short term, but not caring the power they give to fans, for giving interviews that promotes the messed up message that the two main actors casted has to be single, unmarried or divorced or they wouldn`t have casted them at all, not matter if they are the perfect fit to the characters they audition for . What kind of unprofessional behaviour is this, they should at least not mention this, they are bringing backwards all the changes in the good direction that the chinese industry has suffered in recent years.
Anyway, thank you for writing this, as i had the chance to once again share my taughts about this matter.

I think the rumored actor to play Xie Lian 6491vangp is refering to is Ding Cheng Xin. If you scroll down you will be able to find out who the rumored cast to play Xie Lian and Hua Cheng is. But these are just rumors, i am going crazy too, i hope they will reveal the cast soon, because i`m sure the cast is decided by now. You can keep the suspanse for long, until fans gets really annoyed with all this secrecy