LDH being naked was everything...his return I wasn't excited about that.
I was, I knew he could make an appearance at the end... I think both guys would want to be in this project until the end but both of them have military duties. I just hope the final season will be amazing since this season felt like a build-up and all the characters were set for a final battle.
Is There Any Romance In this 😂😅 I'll Remember That There was A Confession In season 1 in leads Did They…
Weel I don't know if it's just me, but in the situation they are in the last thing I would be thinking about is romance... I don't think romance is the main genre for this :)) But I guess in season 3 we could hope for a bit of romance and maybe a "family feeling".
I guessed right about Lee Do Hyun, he is doing mandatory military and Song Kang will start soon, as well. I hope in season 3 both of them will return :) I liked the second season, even if I felt it was a build-up for the final season... It feels like all the characters are ready now for a final explosive fight.
congrats. you have successfully misunderstood the whole thing basically. especially the hotel scene. The girl…
Seriously? Just before you were agreeing with a comment that said "we/us girls" they were allowed to generalize but not the person that had a different opinion, right? I normally don't write so much to contradict others, but as I was reading I noticed that one person was not of the same opinion and people started insulting, which I thought was not nice. For your second point, on how the drama was made, I think the way you saw things and felt was "a you thing", because the drama literally does not show abuse. The reason I say this and I know I am objective, is because this is what I studied, script writing, production, character design, storyboards, animation, and so on. So when I look at a project I pay attention to every detail, dialog, where the action happens, the way the characters are built, their development, dynamics, things the show foreshadows, micro-expressions, context, the culture, and so on. I take mental notes of everything... if things don't flow, if characters change drastically, if there are plot holes, if there is no clear development and we as viewers are forced to just accept an outcome because the writer said so, then I think the project has problems and the writer was not that good. But if I analyze the girl from start to end, she is consistent. She is a nice girl, extremely clumsy, and has a childish element to her behavior, she stands up for others loudly/confidently but not for herself. She is timid and shy when it comes to herself, and when she has to express feelings, even more, when it comes to romance as she has no experience. She has a bit of martyr energy because she fights for friends, but she would choose to stay silent and suffer so others won't, at the same time this makes her a bit of a coward as she runs away from situations and does not confront people she cares about (friends and boyfriend). Running away it's a tendency for her, she avoids telling her friend when she thinks they like the same guy, avoids speaking with the teacher multiple times about the transfer and other issues, does the same with her classmates, and avoids saying she likes the guy she does, avoids turning down her childhood friends even if she knows he likes her... and so on, all these are elements used to show us the characters (movies are visual, they show us through actions, they don't tell you with words, if they do then it's considered a bad movie). So the viewer has to understand from the entire build, that the FL has a tendency to run from important emotional conversations when it's about something/someone she cares about, she does not know yet how to manage/process strong important feelings, she is also shy unable to confront them openly. We see her making an effort for the main guy, because she tries to spend more time with him, it's her way of showing interest and her way of trying to build a connection and courage to make a step, but every time she does makes on is small, slow and vague. The way we are shown that she wants him is that she thinks of him, searches for him with her eyes, looks at his body, she does not mind touching his abs but she is shy about it, she wants a kiss... the guy understood her q but wanted her to say it out loud, to confess, he asked her multiple times she ran away all the time. Her childhood friend asked her directly "Do you like him?" She again ran away and said no (so do you think her words matched her feelings and thoughts then as well?). We are constantly shown that the FL does not speak her feelings and does not say what she thinks/feels when it comes to romance (she does not have the balls to admit she likes him and that she wants him because she can't manage her feelings, she's overwhelmed). The only time he kisses her before a relationship is when he realizes that she will never be direct with him and admit her feelings. As for sleeping together, she said it's not that I don't want to but I think it's too fast for us. With all we know about her, she was too aware of others and people's PDA was a huge no, she acted a bit like a prude as she did not want people to see her holding hands with him, again it was not that she did not want to hold hands, it was that she did not want others to see. She had less of a problem when they were alone but she was shy, she had to get used to the idea. In conclusion, when it came down to being intimate with him, do you think she could have said yes? She could never ever say yes, it was against her character, They got together only because the guy was good at reading her intentions, and not because she spoke up, no way she could say she wanted to seelp with him out loud. Also with her way of managing feelings, the nervousness/excitement of the first time would overwhelm her, and she would have run away finding excuses. As for the possessive par, she was possessive as well, but we don't get to see it as much because the guy does not keep girls around him, which is the thing the FL loved, as she mentioned this from her childhood that she wants a guy that put her on first place and treats her differently than everyone else, she basically said she wants to be the center of the guy's universe. The guy is so possessive because he knows she can't put limits on people she cares about, and she cares for her childhood friend who does have a crush on her. The ML knows that the guy who is a friend, likes her and will take an opportunity to hug her or tease her and she has a hard time saying no. He also knows that the other guy likes to play around, he knows the other guy gets close intentionally. I don't know about others, but when I concluded the show, I analyzed everything she did and her development, and the same with him. So I paid attention to the show and development and I wanted to be as objective as posible. The context matters and the development as well.
Exactly.. Its scary how we girls are romanticizing wrong behaviour..
I see what you say and you are right if it's real, but in this care that is not what happened. First of all if you think this show is not for young girl then they should not watch it, a child can distinguish between good and bad by the age of 7 and by the age of 14 they are able to decide on more serious actions based on good and bad. Depending of the countries and culture teens may be way more mature around the world than you consider, so they may be not so impresionable like you think. I don't know how mach you traveled and how much you know about this. So this idea that "we girls" romaticize bad behaviour and are impresionable may not be right. Teens I grew up with in my time, and teens I know are not retarded, obviously they may be some as you mentioned but they are not the majority. With that said, you can't hold other countries, cultures and judge them based on your set of rules/standards, because they will not fit.
congrats. you have successfully misunderstood the whole thing basically. especially the hotel scene. The girl…
Looking at the story context and literally character behavior, you are completely right, in this case, it's exactly like you said! But I am amazed how a lot of the people in the comments create their own narrative and don't stick to this story, and then they judge it based on their delusions and not on what actually happens. Also, they have a double standard because they only see the guy but not the girl which is super possessive as well :))) The first thing they do when someone starts a conversation without insulting but with a different opinion, they start insulting them. And this is why there is no conversation going on... People don't have to agree 100% but there are different views and situations, I know a lot of girls that are exactly as you described, I know they did speak to counselors because they can't express themself easily when it comes to sex, yet these people just step over them and prefer to accuse the guy. Forgetting the context and culture this project comes from. Also since people focus on subs sometimes things are lost in translation and not paying attention to cuts, may make people misunderstand more. This can be a fault in production as well.
Everytime I come across this title and see the 8.1 rating on it, I get so annoyed that I want to write a review,…
OMG :)) Did you even get the story or did you create your own in your head? :)) This entire show shows how she can't be open about her feelings, she is a coward that constantly runs away. She wanted the guy to put his feelings out in the open every time and only after that she managed to say that she wants him. It's their first relationship but they are learning how to read each other. All the series we were shown that the girl was timid and shy about PDA, which does not mean she did not want it, the show showed us she did, but she could not manage her feelings and nervousness, at some point, she cared about what others thought too much (she learned not too slowly). We are shown in the series how she tried indirectly to show interest, she wanted him to kiss her, and she looked at his body implying she was interested and desired him, but she was never courageous enough to ask for it, to express it... but we are shown that the guy understood the nonverbal q (he smiled every time) but never did anything about it expecting her to verbalize it (he asked and asked), it never happened, the only time when he did something and did not let her run away from the situation was when he decided to be very direct with her. He had to do everything on his own, and only after she was sure he liked her did she just accept, she never felt emotionally vulnerable which is why she was a coward. Every step of the show we are shown she wants something and does not actively think to get it, she waits for him to do something. In his care he wants her to look him in the eyes directly and be confident and express her feelings directly. After they were already in a relationship, she was still self-conscious and acting like a prude, not because she did not want it, but because that was her first instinct, when she could not manage her emotions and she was overwhelmed by them. Even when sex was mentioned before, she said so herself, that she wanted to be with him but it was too fast for them. As for the hotel guy, he did nothing wrong, because 2 adults are going to the hotel and they are a couple and they are not drugged or something...
I feel like people see 1 thing, no context or developement... also let's not forget when this came out and the culture. This is not a story from the west.
maybe I need to just rewatch the show but from what I can recall it was honestly a good show and possessiveness…
You are right, it's their first relationship and they head problems with being direct, so they were learning to be opent in comunication (the characters even said so in the show). As for being posesive, it was not only the guy, the girl was exactly the same, but people have doublestandards and only attack the guy. Both of them were jealous. The girl was worst because she even grabed someon's hair...
I think you are sensitive and look at them like they are 14 and can't read nonverbal q's. They are in university and it's their first serious relationship, and they are learning. Even before they were a thing, they were spending time together and indirectly sending signals. The guy did not want to be too direct because the girl was timid and she would have run away. The girl is possessive as well, she gets upset every time, she even grabbed someone's hair when she was jealous. There should be no double standard. The girl said she did not want a boyfriend who would treat her the same as others, she wanted to know she was special in his eyes. As for the kiss, she wanted to kiss him many times, it was in no way close to abuse, the reason why he grabbed her was because she was a coward (that is her entire trope in the show, she waited for him to say he likes her so she could accept, she never told people outright her feelings only after they already knew and she was convinced by others to be sincere). She showed him she was interested, by spending time with him, going out, and expecting a kiss but then she would do similar things with the other guy, so the ML was confused this time he just did not let her hide her feelings.
I love this series is wholesome and it explores the idea of "growing up". They chose the actors so well, compared to western high school projects when the actors are 30 and do look 30, these actors look young :)
There is no justice, nothing happens to the bad people, the good people are left with the pain they suffer. I…
There is, people found out that she was fake, Their punishments is living with themselves running away constantly from who they are and pretending to be something else. They deserve each other and their life, as they will never be truly happy. When the people will forsake them and they will not have a public it's when they will feel how empty and insignificant they are, and without love they will turn on anyone in order to survive.
She was stranded on an island for 15 years without other human contact and is suppose to have the emotional level,…
I said that as a young girl, she is presented as being smarter than typical kids, then the show proceeds to show us that after 15 years on the island, she is in perfect health, so they double down on how strong she is and how resourceful, but then suddenly they portray her as stupid. So if you read all my comments (as I was discussing this with multiple people under my initial comment) I was annoyed how the writers were not consistent in her portrayal and made her stupid in episode 7 (when she talked with the cop). It's not confusing :) She can obviously be affected negatively, if I analyze it I would say she could have lost hope and fallen into desperation., maybe develop some anxiety and so on, but it is even shown remembering being angry and crying but having a strong mentality and picking herself up fast. So, from what I understood she is not weak mentally. And that is why I thought something was off in how the writer designed /portrayed the character, and I was annoyed that she was made to look stupid.
She was stranded on an island for 15 years without other human contact and is suppose to have the emotional level,…
Well, she grew up abused at home for years, so she would automatically be more mature and aware. She had to develop survival skills, she would not be naive as to believe people are innocent and nice, even more after discovering that the cop (that is supposed to protect people was an abuser at home). She knew how to lie/ cover up her situation as no one at school knew her situation, and she did it well. The boy was serious and focused on getting money way more direct, while she was acting silly whit her friend when her dream of making it big was also influenced by the idea of getting away from home. Trust me kids that have it rough are no way as naive as the others that are concerned only with school and normal stuff for their age, kids that have it rough usually are more observant, have a few wall built, they are more aware... and the FL showed us in the first episodes, but then after being on the island it felt like she forgot all that, even if she is portrayed as being resilient, smart, resourceful when it came to survival, she adapted fest and well as we are told that she is perfectly healthy when found. A person like that would not have forgot what she learned in the first 15 years of her life, being on that island was a constant reminder of her bad experience ans it happened because she was trying to get away.
Yes, I wrote the same :)) You don't have to delete your comments, I saw that some people think we are attacking the project but it's not true. The story is not bad and the other characters are ok written, it's just that we thought the girl's characters was not consistent, I think they wrote her that way because in Korean society (at least on TV) the pure, innocent girl that needs to be rescued is more attractive and it shows the male like a savior. I mean I remember I saw a Kdrama in which the main girl is presented as someone that can take on a gang of knife wielding men, can speak her mind and call them out (she fought them and kicked their ass), only to act like a baby and cry when some girls picked on her and the guy came into the picture. Some people do notice these stuff :) and I know worse cases. This project is not that bad.
Well, no one said they hate watching :) you use those words just now, you felt like it was a complaint when it was an observation, and it was not only about this show it was about multiple as it happens a lot in K drama. Constructive criticism is what I was doing since the writing for the character is strange. I do analyze shows a lot, because this is what I studied, script writing, character design and development, animation, and so on... So things bother me if they are bad. You would have known it if you had read my comment, instead, you are basically having a one-person monolog and not an interesting/articulated discussion. Literally noting I said fits with what you understood :))
But you need to watch some of it in order to make up your mind, also people are allowed to criticize a project if the writing of the character seems off. No one is attacking the actress or a real person, and even more no one is attacking anyone, it's just that there is something strange in the way some dramas depict the main girls. Maybe they are trying to make her naive but somehow they just made her become stupid. When young she clearly was quite aware, she knew how to lie or pretend she is ok, that is why no one from school knew she was having a hard time, she was working to apply for the competition and she was keeping thing "on down low" to keep it secret from her father, she knew how to be cautious and she knew her father is dangerous. Later on she found out the cop is the same as her father. So now that was was on the island she lost or her thinking patterns, and she became extra naive, innocent, stuck on certain things that put others in danger but forgetting to analyze the situation... it's like being on the island made her retarded... even though the doctors said she was perfectly healthy, so obviously she was smart enough to hunt and plan a diet and keep herself in perfect condition, she survived! Not going to school from 15 should not make her more stupid than she was before... maybe stagnate from one point of view, but they made her become more stupid than she initially was.... Nothing wrong in pointing out some things.
I just hope the final season will be amazing since this season felt like a build-up and all the characters were set for a final battle.
But I guess in season 3 we could hope for a bit of romance and maybe a "family feeling".
For your second point, on how the drama was made, I think the way you saw things and felt was "a you thing", because the drama literally does not show abuse.
The reason I say this and I know I am objective, is because this is what I studied, script writing, production, character design, storyboards, animation, and so on.
So when I look at a project I pay attention to every detail, dialog, where the action happens, the way the characters are built, their development, dynamics, things the show foreshadows, micro-expressions, context, the culture, and so on. I take mental notes of everything... if things don't flow, if characters change drastically, if there are plot holes, if there is no clear development and we as viewers are forced to just accept an outcome because the writer said so, then I think the project has problems and the writer was not that good.
But if I analyze the girl from start to end, she is consistent.
She is a nice girl, extremely clumsy, and has a childish element to her behavior, she stands up for others loudly/confidently but not for herself. She is timid and shy when it comes to herself, and when she has to express feelings, even more, when it comes to romance as she has no experience. She has a bit of martyr energy because she fights for friends, but she would choose to stay silent and suffer so others won't, at the same time this makes her a bit of a coward as she runs away from situations and does not confront people she cares about (friends and boyfriend). Running away it's a tendency for her, she avoids telling her friend when she thinks they like the same guy, avoids speaking with the teacher multiple times about the transfer and other issues, does the same with her classmates, and avoids saying she likes the guy she does, avoids turning down her childhood friends even if she knows he likes her... and so on, all these are elements used to show us the characters (movies are visual, they show us through actions, they don't tell you with words, if they do then it's considered a bad movie). So the viewer has to understand from the entire build, that the FL has a tendency to run from important emotional conversations when it's about something/someone she cares about, she does not know yet how to manage/process strong important feelings, she is also shy unable to confront them openly.
We see her making an effort for the main guy, because she tries to spend more time with him, it's her way of showing interest and her way of trying to build a connection and courage to make a step, but every time she does makes on is small, slow and vague. The way we are shown that she wants him is that she thinks of him, searches for him with her eyes, looks at his body, she does not mind touching his abs but she is shy about it, she wants a kiss... the guy understood her q but wanted her to say it out loud, to confess, he asked her multiple times she ran away all the time. Her childhood friend asked her directly "Do you like him?" She again ran away and said no (so do you think her words matched her feelings and thoughts then as well?). We are constantly shown that the FL does not speak her feelings and does not say what she thinks/feels when it comes to romance (she does not have the balls to admit she likes him and that she wants him because she can't manage her feelings, she's overwhelmed).
The only time he kisses her before a relationship is when he realizes that she will never be direct with him and admit her feelings.
As for sleeping together, she said it's not that I don't want to but I think it's too fast for us. With all we know about her, she was too aware of others and people's PDA was a huge no, she acted a bit like a prude as she did not want people to see her holding hands with him, again it was not that she did not want to hold hands, it was that she did not want others to see. She had less of a problem when they were alone but she was shy, she had to get used to the idea. In conclusion, when it came down to being intimate with him, do you think she could have said yes? She could never ever say yes, it was against her character, They got together only because the guy was good at reading her intentions, and not because she spoke up, no way she could say she wanted to seelp with him out loud. Also with her way of managing feelings, the nervousness/excitement of the first time would overwhelm her, and she would have run away finding excuses.
As for the possessive par, she was possessive as well, but we don't get to see it as much because the guy does not keep girls around him, which is the thing the FL loved, as she mentioned this from her childhood that she wants a guy that put her on first place and treats her differently than everyone else, she basically said she wants to be the center of the guy's universe. The guy is so possessive because he knows she can't put limits on people she cares about, and she cares for her childhood friend who does have a crush on her. The ML knows that the guy who is a friend, likes her and will take an opportunity to hug her or tease her and she has a hard time saying no. He also knows that the other guy likes to play around, he knows the other guy gets close intentionally.
I don't know about others, but when I concluded the show, I analyzed everything she did and her development, and the same with him. So I paid attention to the show and development and I wanted to be as objective as posible. The context matters and the development as well.
First of all if you think this show is not for young girl then they should not watch it, a child can distinguish between good and bad by the age of 7 and by the age of 14 they are able to decide on more serious actions based on good and bad. Depending of the countries and culture teens may be way more mature around the world than you consider, so they may be not so impresionable like you think. I don't know how mach you traveled and how much you know about this. So this idea that "we girls" romaticize bad behaviour and are impresionable may not be right. Teens I grew up with in my time, and teens I know are not retarded, obviously they may be some as you mentioned but they are not the majority.
With that said, you can't hold other countries, cultures and judge them based on your set of rules/standards, because they will not fit.
But I am amazed how a lot of the people in the comments create their own narrative and don't stick to this story, and then they judge it based on their delusions and not on what actually happens. Also, they have a double standard because they only see the guy but not the girl which is super possessive as well :)))
The first thing they do when someone starts a conversation without insulting but with a different opinion, they start insulting them.
And this is why there is no conversation going on... People don't have to agree 100% but there are different views and situations, I know a lot of girls that are exactly as you described, I know they did speak to counselors because they can't express themself easily when it comes to sex, yet these people just step over them and prefer to accuse the guy. Forgetting the context and culture this project comes from.
Also since people focus on subs sometimes things are lost in translation and not paying attention to cuts, may make people misunderstand more. This can be a fault in production as well.
This entire show shows how she can't be open about her feelings, she is a coward that constantly runs away. She wanted the guy to put his feelings out in the open every time and only after that she managed to say that she wants him.
It's their first relationship but they are learning how to read each other. All the series we were shown that the girl was timid and shy about PDA, which does not mean she did not want it, the show showed us she did, but she could not manage her feelings and nervousness, at some point, she cared about what others thought too much (she learned not too slowly).
We are shown in the series how she tried indirectly to show interest, she wanted him to kiss her, and she looked at his body implying she was interested and desired him, but she was never courageous enough to ask for it, to express it... but we are shown that the guy understood the nonverbal q (he smiled every time) but never did anything about it expecting her to verbalize it (he asked and asked), it never happened, the only time when he did something and did not let her run away from the situation was when he decided to be very direct with her. He had to do everything on his own, and only after she was sure he liked her did she just accept, she never felt emotionally vulnerable which is why she was a coward.
Every step of the show we are shown she wants something and does not actively think to get it, she waits for him to do something. In his care he wants her to look him in the eyes directly and be confident and express her feelings directly.
After they were already in a relationship, she was still self-conscious and acting like a prude, not because she did not want it, but because that was her first instinct, when she could not manage her emotions and she was overwhelmed by them. Even when sex was mentioned before, she said so herself, that she wanted to be with him but it was too fast for them.
As for the hotel guy, he did nothing wrong, because 2 adults are going to the hotel and they are a couple and they are not drugged or something...
I feel like people see 1 thing, no context or developement... also let's not forget when this came out and the culture. This is not a story from the west.
They are in university and it's their first serious relationship, and they are learning.
Even before they were a thing, they were spending time together and indirectly sending signals. The guy did not want to be too direct because the girl was timid and she would have run away.
The girl is possessive as well, she gets upset every time, she even grabbed someone's hair when she was jealous. There should be no double standard. The girl said she did not want a boyfriend who would treat her the same as others, she wanted to know she was special in his eyes.
As for the kiss, she wanted to kiss him many times, it was in no way close to abuse, the reason why he grabbed her was because she was a coward (that is her entire trope in the show, she waited for him to say he likes her so she could accept, she never told people outright her feelings only after they already knew and she was convinced by others to be sincere). She showed him she was interested, by spending time with him, going out, and expecting a kiss but then she would do similar things with the other guy, so the ML was confused this time he just did not let her hide her feelings.
They deserve each other and their life, as they will never be truly happy. When the people will forsake them and they will not have a public it's when they will feel how empty and insignificant they are, and without love they will turn on anyone in order to survive.
So if you read all my comments (as I was discussing this with multiple people under my initial comment) I was annoyed how the writers were not consistent in her portrayal and made her stupid in episode 7 (when she talked with the cop). It's not confusing :)
She can obviously be affected negatively, if I analyze it I would say she could have lost hope and fallen into desperation., maybe develop some anxiety and so on, but it is even shown remembering being angry and crying but having a strong mentality and picking herself up fast. So, from what I understood she is not weak mentally.
And that is why I thought something was off in how the writer designed /portrayed the character, and I was annoyed that she was made to look stupid.
She knew how to lie/ cover up her situation as no one at school knew her situation, and she did it well. The boy was serious and focused on getting money way more direct, while she was acting silly whit her friend when her dream of making it big was also influenced by the idea of getting away from home.
Trust me kids that have it rough are no way as naive as the others that are concerned only with school and normal stuff for their age, kids that have it rough usually are more observant, have a few wall built, they are more aware... and the FL showed us in the first episodes, but then after being on the island it felt like she forgot all that, even if she is portrayed as being resilient, smart, resourceful when it came to survival, she adapted fest and well as we are told that she is perfectly healthy when found. A person like that would not have forgot what she learned in the first 15 years of her life, being on that island was a constant reminder of her bad experience ans it happened because she was trying to get away.
I mean I remember I saw a Kdrama in which the main girl is presented as someone that can take on a gang of knife wielding men, can speak her mind and call them out (she fought them and kicked their ass), only to act like a baby and cry when some girls picked on her and the guy came into the picture.
Some people do notice these stuff :) and I know worse cases.
This project is not that bad.
Constructive criticism is what I was doing since the writing for the character is strange.
I do analyze shows a lot, because this is what I studied, script writing, character design and development, animation, and so on... So things bother me if they are bad.
You would have known it if you had read my comment, instead, you are basically having a one-person monolog and not an interesting/articulated discussion.
Literally noting I said fits with what you understood :))
No one is attacking the actress or a real person, and even more no one is attacking anyone, it's just that there is something strange in the way some dramas depict the main girls. Maybe they are trying to make her naive but somehow they just made her become stupid.
When young she clearly was quite aware, she knew how to lie or pretend she is ok, that is why no one from school knew she was having a hard time, she was working to apply for the competition and she was keeping thing "on down low" to keep it secret from her father, she knew how to be cautious and she knew her father is dangerous. Later on she found out the cop is the same as her father.
So now that was was on the island she lost or her thinking patterns, and she became extra naive, innocent, stuck on certain things that put others in danger but forgetting to analyze the situation... it's like being on the island made her retarded... even though the doctors said she was perfectly healthy, so obviously she was smart enough to hunt and plan a diet and keep herself in perfect condition, she survived! Not going to school from 15 should not make her more stupid than she was before... maybe stagnate from one point of view, but they made her become more stupid than she initially was....
Nothing wrong in pointing out some things.