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Possibly. I think that Ramil now realizes that the way he's treating Paytai is not much different than the way his father is treating him.

And in this episode for the first time we see Ramil intervening in the abuse that Rachata is meting out.

I boycott any product that's advertised during a show for which I am paying for an advertisement free experience. I don't live in Thailand so I don't have the opportunity to buy these products anyway, but if they ever go international they're not getting any business from me.

As Charan says at the end of episode 8, Khanin shouldn't trust anyone. However I do believe he can trust Charan, Chakri probably Thatdanai If he ever shows up again.

I'm sure the players are going to unravel pretty soon since we are now officially more than halfway through.

I know a lot of Germans and most of them speak impeccable English. But I do have a funny story for you.

I take advanced Pilates reformer training with a private trainer once a week. I don't do it that often anymore because I've been training for over 20 years. The one trick to aging well is to stay and kickass shape when you get old.

Anyway early on I was in a class doing exercises on the Pilates reformer with weighted balls. You put one ball in each hand and do various exercises with them. It's a kind of strength training.

Anyway the balls happen to be blue and the instructor told us to pick up our blue balls and everyone in the class broke out laughing, because in English Blue balls is a slang term for a man who has gotten over sexually stimulated without a release and the resulting pain he feels in his testicles.

So there you go. Your first slang English lesson. 🙂

English and I do okay with Spanish too.

Afraid I don't speak German, not even a little bit. So whatever you said I hope it makes you happy. This is primarily an English speaking board so it's likely very few people here have any idea what you wrote.

Obviously. You would have said no hablo Español. It's pretty much the only language besides English that I speak. No longer fluently but I can read it well.

I'm afraid that I don't speak German or Mandarin. I could probably read Spanish well enough.

But at least I now understand your atrocious command of the English language. It's why I didn't say anything initially because we do get people from all countries.

It wasn't Ramil and Paytai's first time. 🙂

Maybe they didn't want to spend that much time in the makeup room, plus he was always dressed when being beaten and I didn't see his clothes getting torn or any blood during the scenes. So could be that he was red afterwards but not cut by the whip.

Anyone know who is getting waterboarded in the coming attractions?

Is English not your first language?

No I call a 45-year-old acting like you are immature and possibly not well educated. You don't have to agree with me but instead of arguing the subject you're just getting all frustrated and having a tantrum.

And the question of abuse isn't merely about being abused as a child. It's a matter of being able to grow up, hopefully make healthy choices in life and then move on.

If one of those healthy choices as an adult is that you like rough sex, you like wearing a collar, you like licking the floor and wearing your Dom's dirty panties then that's an adult choice.

But you have to have lived through that initial abuse, come out the other side, and THEN choose.

Edit. And the correspondence with my friend the Dom occurred over 20 years ago. There pretty much wasn't an internet. It was phone calls, sometimes emails. He died In 2004 which was a year after my husband died. I went to his funeral. I met his wife and many other people in the community. I promised him I would watch out for his slave (wife) and I did for a few years after his death.

There isn't anything to prove. Anyone abused as a child, kept in that lifestyle throughout their life has been groomed and has not made an informed choice.

Can't believe I'm sitting here arguing with a bunch of children.

Edit. And I will add that trying to bully me will get you the exact opposite outcome that you are hoping for. I've spent my entire career in high powered positions slapping down men who would dare cross me and usually being the smartest person in the room. I'm retired now so I've got plenty of time to correct children who think they know something.

I agree that children shouldn't be here, but I'm 72 years old and probably the oldest person posting here.

I've spoken more than one Dom but I've only corresponded regularly with one Dom. And I'm never going to be quiet. Obviously you never met me.

When I did this research I was in my late 40s I am 72 now. And I haven't lived at home since I was 18 years old so that would be 54 years ago.

Yes strictly speaking when you train a horse to accept a rider it's been groomed. Where do you think this word comes from?

I will agree that all people have trauma in their lives and we make decisions as imperfect people.

But if we make those decisions as adults, imperfect as we are, we are actually making a decision.

If we are in a captive situation since we were children we are not making a decision.

I understand it and even the master Dom that I corresponded with for over a year during my research agreed with me.

People who agree to be slaves in 24/7 power exchange relationships do so as adults. And real consent can't be given if you've been physically or sexually abused as a child.

I've pretty much done as much research as can be done about BDSM without actually participating in the lifestyle. Maybe after the series is over I'll also post my reading list.

They wrote the series to highlight a Zee NuNew relationship. As soon as the series is over I intend to read the novel and I'd be more than happy to have a discussion here about it afterwards.

But I find it very confusing when people tell me stuff from the novel that is never going to be presented in the series. It kind of ruins the series for me.

The Khanin from the novel couldn't be played by NuNew in the series.

Domundi writes series about fated relationships and virginal forever after love. May not be your thing and I can understand that.

I wrote a fairly long response a couple of days ago if you feel like fishing it out that further explains why I don't see certain aspects of the novel coming out in the series.

Unfortunately someone decided to spoil me which is somewhat spoiling my enjoyment of the series.

He was groomed. When you've brought up as a small boy somewhere to be beaten you've been groomed. You've been shown that violence is something you should accept.

The only revelation in this particular episode is that Ramil recognized that he was doing a version of the same thing his father does by beating and choking Paytai during sex.

Paytai doesn't want to get beaten but he's confused. Because the only bit of protection he gets is from Ramil. And even if they stay together forever both of those boys would have been groomed and abused.

Ridiculous that people don't understand what being groomed means.

And if we want to take it to modern times Emmanuel Macron was groomed, Celine Dion was groomed, and certainly Vili Fualaau was groomed.