At present this is what the rumour says: the drama adapted from the novel of the same name by Lu Nei ( Chinese: 路内 ) directed by Lin Yu Xian https://mydramalist.com/people/47235-ahmeow-lin starring Hou Ming Hao, Yang Cai Yu is expected to start filming on 30th June in Shantou, Guangdong province.
I don't know about the rumour... the actress is 5 yrs older than Neo, and looks too old to me....hmm.... But it's confirmed that Hou Ming Hao is in Guangdong now, arrived yesterday at Jieyang Chaoshan Airport (near Shantou).
oh... you've only watched TLT2 and WWWY - both were filmed 4 years agono wonder you couldn't recognize him
that will be problematic... because he doesn't use his looks in dramas unless sb can see his glory through make-up, wigs, caps with artificial hair attached, or grey-dyed hair tighly drawn back in a bun (the last look seen in The Outcast)
I really wish he could stop all the masquerade and go back to real acting and dramas where he could show his real face and own hair, like he did at the beginning of his career in his first dramas CP and WWWY
I saw this indignant comment on season 3 page by sb who couldn't understand how the parents left their babies for one month with some celebrity guys.
Well, first of all this is not true. Despite what the above description says. At least not true if it comes to season 1. It's not like the things were done in reality.
I wrote a post below (hidden under "spoiler") about how the show was recorded. For those who want to enjoy the show as it is (fiction) I suggest reading only after watching.
The first time I watched the show I didn't know about these facts. When I watched it the second and third time with english subs I already knew about it all but it never spoiled my fun.
I don't know who and why wrote in the synopsis that the kids were taken care of staying for one MONTH with celebrity guys away from parents. If this got copied from the show's Chinese descriptions, I've never checked. Even if so, it was probably written for the naive ones to believe.
The show recording started somewhere in the second half of May 2016. It was filmed in parts until first days of July in Shanghai (the baby house, ep 1-10) the rest was filmed later in other locations (until mid or end of July 2016).
Henry Lau (who first appeared on the show at the end of ep 4) arrived in the baby house on 5th June 2016. By that time the other guys had been with the kids for a while already.
On that day the crew arranged a live streaming with Yu Xiao Tong who talked about the situation at the house. Later Henry joined Yu Xiao Tong talking about his first day and first impressions. The live broadcast was also uploaded on youtube on 5th June by Henry's fans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHPlq4xsdOo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZRhdGP6sbI
There is another raw footage filmed and published by parents themselves. The video shows the kids and their parents having a dinner together in the restaurant and it looks like the same place where the guys were dining in ep 4. Most probably taken after the three guys left to have a talk about Ma Tian Yu leaving temporarily. The video was also uploaded on youtube.
Ma Tian Yu left in ep 4, Henry stayed until the end of ep 6.
When Nicolas got sick at the beginning of ep 7, there were only two of them in the house: Neo and Xiao Tong. The invoice statement for the hospital admittion that Neo had to fill in shows date 2016-06-27 (which was the night of 27th June 01:36 am)
But what's interesting NONE of the guys were in the baby house on the day before, June 26.
Well at least Neo wasn't as he arrived by plane in Shanghai on 26th June (!) And I don't think Xiao Tong was staying there alone with all the kids, either. First, one guy as a guardian wouldn't be enough. Second, he was never all by himself in any episode, it was always him and Neo together.
Which means they resumed the recording of the show on June 26. Nicolas got infected most likely while staying outside and the illness developed on the first day when all of them came back to the baby house.
As a matter of fact, it was not only Ma Tian Yu filming for his drama during that time. Neo had also many activities in June, including some media events, as well as the recording of another variety show (and the audition for drama CP in early July).
Neo's schedule in June and July 2016:
1 June - taking a flight (airport photos) 9 June - taking a flight (airport photos) 11 June - taking a flight (airport photos) 13 June - taking a flight (Shanghai arrival) and receiving an award at Fashion Up 2016 (Shanghai International Film Festival) where he met the future producer of Cambrian Period 15 June - attending I-SIFF Gala Night (Shanghai International Film& TV Festival) and promoting "Funny Soccer" with the film crew (fancam + original tv footage from that event) 16 June - taking a flight, departing from Shanghai (airport photos) 17 June - taking a flight & recording ep 5 of the sport variety show 阳光艺体能 (the meeting on the cruise boat) 18 June - recording ep 5/6 of the sport variety show (the outdoor swimming pool part) - fancam available 19 June - recording ep 7 of the sport variety show (the indoor swimming pool - the race part) - fancam pictures available (recorded with the audience) 20 June - taking a flight (airport photos) 21 June - taking another flight (airport photos) 24 June - receiving an award at Keep Curious 12th Anniversary of Men's Wear 26 June - taking a flight (airport photos), arrival in Shanghai
1 July - taking a flight with a guitar (airport photos) - same outfit as worn in the baby house 3 July - recording ep 8 of the sport variety show (the indoor swimming pool, the part in blue T-shirts & the race recorded with the audience) - fancam videos and pictures available 4 July - taking a flight with a guitar (airport photos) 5 July - attending The Woolmark Company event 6 July - audition for Cambrian Period (according to the producer's weibo post) 10 July - taking a flight (airport photos) 14 July - taking a flight (airport photos) 26 July - taking a flight (airport photos) 29 July - taking a flight (airport photos)
[all fancam from trusted sources: Fascinateboy, Rhythm of Heart, MonKey Neo_0803 on weibo]
Neo's schedule indicates there was no such time in June or July where he could have spent the enitre month with the kids, not even a fortnight.
Neo and Xiao Tong were the only ones who were present in all episodes and who were always together. The crew could only record the show when two guys were available which means the parents needed to take children away when the guys were not recording.
That's why the myth about one month without parents is not true.
Ma Tian Yu's birtday is on 12th July, it was most probably around that time when they recorded ep 11 (recorded with the audience). On 13th July Neo shared on his weibo a short video of him and Ha Lin, said it was the first time they were (he was ?) staying in the "hello kitty" hotel room https://weibo.com/1831550987/DEF37FL8F (the last backstage footage that I know of) Four days between 10 and 14 July when he had flights. It could be the time when they recorded ep 12 (or it could be recorded in the last week of July).
If it weren't for Cheney Chen (Dongdong) I would drop it right in the middle of ep 2. The two guys Jackson senior and Huang Jingyu look so bored and out of place. There is no warm home atmosphere which could be felt in season 1, nor is there any reason for laughting at all (season one was so funny from the beginning, I could die out of laughing). Whether they are bored or tired they still have only 3 kids to take care of, while there were 5 kids and 3 guys in season one from the first episode.
Also Jackson Sr's lordly demeanour of a celebrity is so annoying, he had to show his "handsome" face and didn't accept to wear a bear costume in front of children. Or his unresponsible and stupid action when he risked the life of the 3-years old child by putting him on a stone edge of the bathtub. He was really lucky the toddler didn't slip on it when he turned back to unpack diapers. It's so obvious Jackson senior wants to interact with no other kids but Jackson only who has already become a celebrity child after two seasons (calling one name all the time "Jackson" and "Jackson", he ignored Chenchen for the most of time during the first day)
The third guy, Huang Jingyu doesn't want to talk to children at all.... what a fun really...
Together with the "probation" ge ge and the child psychologist's "lectures" at each episode's end (telling us what we already saw ourselves in the episode), season 3 looks more like an educational tv programme rather than an entertainment show.
edit I:
What also stroke me is that the guardian guys eat meals separate from kids, not WITH the kids like the guys in season 1. I recall it was so sweet to watch kids feeding their Xiao Xiong in season one and making dumplings together with their geges. The show crew in season 3 made the house look so grand like a palace but there is no home atmosphere at all.
The royal house doesn't have a backyard so they kept the children for a few days until ep 5 inside the house without going out. It stunned me as kids at this age should go and play outside everyday to get some fresh air. The weather was sunny and the surrounding area is beautiful. They should have followed the example of the guys in season 1 who took their kids for a walk along the alleys, bringing some toys and having a fun outside. But what we can see in this season are kids running like crazy around the house all day long for 3 days.
And why no rug mat in the bathroom to use? The guys put 3-year old kids with wet bare feet on the slippery tiled floor, my jaw dropped.... So many useless toys in the house and the crew couldn't afford a little bathroom rug? Using straws by kids for drinking juice on the public train is also an unknown invention for this show....
edit II:
They actually managed to finish off two turtles within less than 2 weeks - the epitome of "absolute fun" in season 3. I shouldn't be surprised though. The guys couldn't cope with four chidlren (let alone 6 children plus 2 turles). At the end of ep 4 the situation was completely out of control and even a camera operator and the basement staff had to intervene when the youngest babies played in the bathtub left all by themselves without any assitance from geges. Next they took kids to the forest in hot summer and forgot to apply an anti-mosquite spray on their arms.
I've had enough. The highliths of ep 1-7: the cockroach in the kitchen, an ugly muppet show, and 2 dead turtles. We can add to it the excessive participation of the "basement" faceless staff and bunch of boring guests visiting the house.
"got his face done"? do you mean "had plastic surgery"?like having his cheek bones or chin bone replaced?No, it's…
right, he's obsessed with his masculine arms but working out would affect the physique of his neck muscles, it won't change the shape of his nose or cheek bones...
according to a clinic which carries out surgeries the recovery time for a "nose job" is somewhere between 6 and 8 weeks, during this time patients should avoid strenuous exercise (including going to the gym) which may cause swelling
according to the University of Utah Health, patients after rhinoplasty have a splint or a bandage on their nose for about 1 week, after a week the surgeon removes the splint or any stitches, and at this stage the patient will still suffer from some swelling and possibly some bruising, the nose holds onto swelling longer than other parts of the body so patients cannot expect the result immediately, it will be a small amount of swelling left after about 3 weeks, the last bit of swelling takes about a year to go away
first, i don't think he could live without going to the gym or basketball court - he's obsessed with both
second, i don't think he's ever had a swollen nose in any photos (including fancam photos and videos, and also press videos from various events) his nose was always slender and just stretching bit by bit over the months
after the surgery the look changes because of swelling and it takes time for the nose to get the final shape, the direction of the healing process is from swelling to slimness and such a change was never observable
the process of growing is another direction and it is genetically conditioned change which happens to many people at the age between 20 and 25
another thing I mentioned before is getting fatter, every time Neo puts on some weight it can be seen all around his face, it affects the area of cheeks, the area around/under eyes and around mouth (nose too), the face becomes flat and loses the features that are so characteristic (like it was in Nov 2017, Oct/Nov 2018 and Oct/Nov 2019)
so usually it causes many comments from fans who don't like him gaining weight or working out either, last year he was even asked about it during the sum37 dinner party, what he replied was "I think every piece of flesh on my body is indispensable, and it has been trained hard" (haha)
oh... you've only watched TLT2 and WWWY - both were filmed 4 years agono wonder you couldn't recognize him
that's a magic and charm of this guy (to look "different" all the time) his latest "look" is so sexy, here it is - a short video of him by the seaside: https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4773801005682909 (back to black hair)
"got his face done"? do you mean "had plastic surgery"?like having his cheek bones or chin bone replaced?No, it's…
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He has a face of a grown-up man now, his nose and mouth are bigger than 4 years ago to match his face. If he still had that baby lips and little nose like he did in 2016 his face would be out of proportion now.
Another thing is that his nose started to grow earlier than the lower part of his face so it seemed different at the end of 2019. But last year his chin "catched up" with the change and now it's all back in proportion.
"got his face done"? do you mean "had plastic surgery"?like having his cheek bones or chin bone replaced?No, it's…
This is a grievous accusation so it needs a serious reponse. Just "yes" or "no" was not enough at this point.
Anyway I hid my long response under the "spoiler" button the moment I replied. I don't force anybody to read it.
If it's too much text for you, you may ignore my comment and any facts I provided in vindication of my words. You can just go on and spread your unreasonable rumours. Anyway this is your speciality on MDL. You claim you're Chinese but what you've ever contributed to this place is always some nonsensical or veiled malicious and agressive comments.
Basically this kind or accusations/rumours are spread by poeple who only see the artist every several times once or twice a year, and these are usually some random photos or videos. They don't really follow those actors on daily basis nor do they have any knowledge of their activity throughout a year. They are not aware of the way the individual one changes.
There's one thing you still haven't answered: when would you like him to have the alleged plastic surgery done? You are not able to give the answer.
The same arrogant way like yours behave those who spread such rumours. They don't want to learn anything about him but they are very eager to talk nonsense.
the drama adapted from the novel of the same name by Lu Nei ( Chinese: 路内 )
directed by Lin Yu Xian https://mydramalist.com/people/47235-ahmeow-lin
starring Hou Ming Hao, Yang Cai Yu
is expected to start filming on 30th June in Shantou, Guangdong province.
I don't know about the rumour... the actress is 5 yrs older than Neo, and looks too old to me....hmm....
But it's confirmed that Hou Ming Hao is in Guangdong now, arrived yesterday at Jieyang Chaoshan Airport (near Shantou).
youku official https://www.youtube.com/video/hgsyaIHxkQI
unless sb can see his glory through make-up, wigs, caps with artificial hair attached, or grey-dyed hair tighly drawn back in a bun (the last look seen in The Outcast)
I really wish he could stop all the masquerade and go back to real acting and dramas where he could show his real face and own hair, like he did at the beginning of his career in his first dramas CP and WWWY
(5 June) https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4777106121425427
with a well-built body and the face of god, how isn't he possibly a "snack"?
Well, first of all this is not true. Despite what the above description says.
At least not true if it comes to season 1. It's not like the things were done in reality.
I wrote a post below (hidden under "spoiler") about how the show was recorded.
For those who want to enjoy the show as it is (fiction) I suggest reading only after watching.
The first time I watched the show I didn't know about these facts. When I watched it the second and third time with english subs I already knew about it all but it never spoiled my fun.
The show recording started somewhere in the second half of May 2016. It was filmed in parts until first days of July in Shanghai (the baby house, ep 1-10) the rest was filmed later in other locations (until mid or end of July 2016).
Henry Lau (who first appeared on the show at the end of ep 4) arrived in the baby house on 5th June 2016. By that time the other guys had been with the kids for a while already.
On that day the crew arranged a live streaming with Yu Xiao Tong who talked about the situation at the house. Later Henry joined Yu Xiao Tong talking about his first day and first impressions. The live broadcast was also uploaded on youtube on 5th June by Henry's fans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHPlq4xsdOo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZRhdGP6sbI
There is another raw footage filmed and published by parents themselves.
The video shows the kids and their parents having a dinner together in the restaurant and it looks like the same place where the guys were dining in ep 4. Most probably taken after the three guys left to have a talk about Ma Tian Yu leaving temporarily. The video was also uploaded on youtube.
Ma Tian Yu left in ep 4, Henry stayed until the end of ep 6.
When Nicolas got sick at the beginning of ep 7, there were only two of them in the house: Neo and Xiao Tong.
The invoice statement for the hospital admittion that Neo had to fill in shows date 2016-06-27 (which was the night of 27th June 01:36 am)
But what's interesting NONE of the guys were in the baby house on the day before, June 26.
Well at least Neo wasn't as he arrived by plane in Shanghai on 26th June (!)
And I don't think Xiao Tong was staying there alone with all the kids, either. First, one guy as a guardian wouldn't be enough. Second, he was never all by himself in any episode, it was always him and Neo together.
Which means they resumed the recording of the show on June 26. Nicolas got infected most likely while staying outside and the illness developed on the first day when all of them came back to the baby house.
As a matter of fact, it was not only Ma Tian Yu filming for his drama during that time. Neo had also many activities in June, including some media events, as well as the recording of another variety show (and the audition for drama CP in early July).
Neo's schedule in June and July 2016:
1 June - taking a flight (airport photos)
9 June - taking a flight (airport photos)
11 June - taking a flight (airport photos)
13 June - taking a flight (Shanghai arrival) and receiving an award at Fashion Up 2016 (Shanghai International Film Festival) where he met the future producer of Cambrian Period
15 June - attending I-SIFF Gala Night (Shanghai International Film& TV Festival) and promoting "Funny Soccer" with the film crew (fancam + original tv footage from that event)
16 June - taking a flight, departing from Shanghai (airport photos)
17 June - taking a flight & recording ep 5 of the sport variety show 阳光艺体能 (the meeting on the cruise boat)
18 June - recording ep 5/6 of the sport variety show (the outdoor swimming pool part) - fancam available
19 June - recording ep 7 of the sport variety show (the indoor swimming pool - the race part) - fancam pictures available (recorded with the audience)
20 June - taking a flight (airport photos)
21 June - taking another flight (airport photos)
24 June - receiving an award at Keep Curious 12th Anniversary of Men's Wear
26 June - taking a flight (airport photos), arrival in Shanghai
1 July - taking a flight with a guitar (airport photos) - same outfit as worn in the baby house
3 July - recording ep 8 of the sport variety show (the indoor swimming pool, the part in blue T-shirts & the race recorded with the audience) - fancam videos and pictures available
4 July - taking a flight with a guitar (airport photos)
5 July - attending The Woolmark Company event
6 July - audition for Cambrian Period (according to the producer's weibo post)
10 July - taking a flight (airport photos)
14 July - taking a flight (airport photos)
26 July - taking a flight (airport photos)
29 July - taking a flight (airport photos)
[all fancam from trusted sources: Fascinateboy, Rhythm of Heart, MonKey Neo_0803 on weibo]
Neo's schedule indicates there was no such time in June or July where he could have spent the enitre month with the kids, not even a fortnight.
Neo and Xiao Tong were the only ones who were present in all episodes and who were always together.
The crew could only record the show when two guys were available which means the parents needed to take children away when the guys were not recording.
That's why the myth about one month without parents is not true.
Ma Tian Yu's birtday is on 12th July, it was most probably around that time when they recorded ep 11 (recorded with the audience).
On 13th July Neo shared on his weibo a short video of him and Ha Lin, said it was the first time they were (he was ?) staying in the "hello kitty" hotel room
https://weibo.com/1831550987/DEF37FL8F (the last backstage footage that I know of)
Four days between 10 and 14 July when he had flights. It could be the time when they recorded ep 12 (or it could be recorded in the last week of July).
There is no warm home atmosphere which could be felt in season 1, nor is there any reason for laughting at all (season one was so funny from the beginning, I could die out of laughing). Whether they are bored or tired they still have only 3 kids to take care of, while there were 5 kids and 3 guys in season one from the first episode.
Also Jackson Sr's lordly demeanour of a celebrity is so annoying, he had to show his "handsome" face and didn't accept to wear a bear costume in front of children. Or his unresponsible and stupid action when he risked the life of the 3-years old child by putting him on a stone edge of the bathtub. He was really lucky the toddler didn't slip on it when he turned back to unpack diapers. It's so obvious Jackson senior wants to interact with no other kids but Jackson only who has already become a celebrity child after two seasons (calling one name all the time "Jackson" and "Jackson", he ignored Chenchen for the most of time during the first day)
The third guy, Huang Jingyu doesn't want to talk to children at all.... what a fun really...
Together with the "probation" ge ge and the child psychologist's "lectures" at each episode's end (telling us what we already saw ourselves in the episode), season 3 looks more like an educational tv programme rather than an entertainment show.
edit I:
What also stroke me is that the guardian guys eat meals separate from kids, not WITH the kids like the guys in season 1. I recall it was so sweet to watch kids feeding their Xiao Xiong in season one and making dumplings together with their geges.
The show crew in season 3 made the house look so grand like a palace but there is no home atmosphere at all.
The royal house doesn't have a backyard so they kept the children for a few days until ep 5 inside the house without going out. It stunned me as kids at this age should go and play outside everyday to get some fresh air. The weather was sunny and the surrounding area is beautiful. They should have followed the example of the guys in season 1 who took their kids for a walk along the alleys, bringing some toys and having a fun outside.
But what we can see in this season are kids running like crazy around the house all day long for 3 days.
And why no rug mat in the bathroom to use? The guys put 3-year old kids with wet bare feet on the slippery tiled floor, my jaw dropped.... So many useless toys in the house and the crew couldn't afford a little bathroom rug?
Using straws by kids for drinking juice on the public train is also an unknown invention for this show....
edit II:
They actually managed to finish off two turtles within less than 2 weeks - the epitome of "absolute fun" in season 3.
I shouldn't be surprised though. The guys couldn't cope with four chidlren (let alone 6 children plus 2 turles). At the end of ep 4 the situation was completely out of control and even a camera operator and the basement staff had to intervene when the youngest babies played in the bathtub left all by themselves without any assitance from geges. Next they took kids to the forest in hot summer and forgot to apply an anti-mosquite spray on their arms.
I've had enough. The highliths of ep 1-7: the cockroach in the kitchen, an ugly muppet show, and 2 dead turtles. We can add to it the excessive participation of the "basement" faceless staff and bunch of boring guests visiting the house.
but working out would affect the physique of his neck muscles, it won't change the shape of his nose or cheek bones...
according to a clinic which carries out surgeries the recovery time for a "nose job" is somewhere between 6 and 8 weeks, during this time patients should avoid strenuous exercise (including going to the gym) which may cause swelling
according to the University of Utah Health, patients after rhinoplasty have a splint or a bandage on their nose for about 1 week, after a week the surgeon removes the splint or any stitches, and at this stage the patient will still suffer from some swelling and possibly some bruising, the nose holds onto swelling longer than other parts of the body so patients cannot expect the result immediately, it will be a small amount of swelling left after about 3 weeks, the last bit of swelling takes about a year to go away
first, i don't think he could live without going to the gym or basketball court - he's obsessed with both
second, i don't think he's ever had a swollen nose in any photos (including fancam photos and videos, and also press videos from various events) his nose was always slender and just stretching bit by bit over the months
after the surgery the look changes because of swelling and it takes time for the nose to get the final shape, the direction of the healing process is from swelling to slimness and such a change was never observable
the process of growing is another direction and it is genetically conditioned change which happens to many people at the age between 20 and 25
another thing I mentioned before is getting fatter, every time Neo puts on some weight it can be seen all around his face, it affects the area of cheeks, the area around/under eyes and around mouth (nose too), the face becomes flat and loses the features that are so characteristic (like it was in Nov 2017, Oct/Nov 2018 and Oct/Nov 2019)
so usually it causes many comments from fans who don't like him gaining weight or working out either, last year he was even asked about it during the sum37 dinner party, what he replied was "I think every piece of flesh on my body is indispensable, and it has been trained hard" (haha)
Wang Zi Qi with the crew (photos) https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4775240263272898
clear photos from the booting ceremony in Shenzhen (June 1, 2022)
Wang Zi Qi https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4775638026683831
Wang Zi Qi & the crew (close front view)
https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4775599497808716
no updates on the drama official weibo (yet)
his latest "look" is so sexy, here it is - a short video of him by the seaside: https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4773801005682909 (back to black hair)
another comparison picture - Neo in Nov/Dec 2021 vs Neo in March 2018 (front view):
https://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2022/06/10/22061011382826262317919771.jpg
- pretty much the same face (of a grown-up man now, not a kid anymore)
"he's definitely had a nose job" - if you are so sure about it, then tell me:
when did he have the "job" done?
He has a face of a grown-up man now, his nose and mouth are bigger than 4 years ago to match his face. If he still had that baby lips and little nose like he did in 2016 his face would be out of proportion now.
Another thing is that his nose started to grow earlier than the lower part of his face so it seemed different at the end of 2019. But last year his chin "catched up" with the change and now it's all back in proportion.
Anyway this is a comparison picture February 2018 vs May 2022
https://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2022/06/10/22061011405726262317919773.jpg
- there is no much difference, it's pretty much the same nose
and March 2018 vs May 2022 (side view)
https://nsm09.casimages.com/img/2022/06/10/22061011415426262317919800.jpg
- in this side view the nose looks identical
Anyway I hid my long response under the "spoiler" button the moment I replied. I don't force anybody to read it.
If it's too much text for you, you may ignore my comment and any facts I provided in vindication of my words.
You can just go on and spread your unreasonable rumours. Anyway this is your speciality on MDL. You claim you're Chinese but what you've ever contributed to this place is always some nonsensical or veiled malicious and agressive comments.
Basically this kind or accusations/rumours are spread by poeple who only see the artist every several times once or twice a year, and these are usually some random photos or videos. They don't really follow those actors on daily basis nor do they have any knowledge of their activity throughout a year. They are not aware of the way the individual one changes.
There's one thing you still haven't answered:
when would you like him to have the alleged plastic surgery done?
You are not able to give the answer.
The same arrogant way like yours behave those who spread such rumours.
They don't want to learn anything about him but they are very eager to talk nonsense.