I strongly disagree that itâs âobjectivelyâ good. Or that the story is well done. Semantic Error was much…
No it wasnât. You said the drama is âobjectively good.â I replied that that I disagree that itâs objectively good (because an opinion about whether a drama is good or not is definitionally not âobjectiveâ). And you decided to imply that I donât know what objective means when clearly youâre the one who doesnât understand the basic concept of objectivity vs. subjectivity.
If Iâm âtriggeredâ itâs because I canât stand when people insist on arguing points that theyâre clearly uninformed or misinformed about. Just admit that you were wrong and move on instead of persisting in trying to defend yourself with bogus claims.
I strongly disagree that itâs âobjectivelyâ good. Or that the story is well done. Semantic Error was much…
But youâre not judging it outside of your personal opinion. It is your subjective opinion that it is a good drama. That is not an objective fact. Do you understand yet?
I strongly disagree that itâs âobjectivelyâ good. Or that the story is well done. Semantic Error was much…
Go open your textbook, girl. If you state that something is objectively true, but other people can reasonably disagree with it based on their own personal perspective, then definitionally that means it wasnât objectively true.
I understand if you don't like the drama's story after reading the original webtoon, but...As someone who has…
I strongly disagree that itâs âobjectivelyâ good. Or that the story is well done. Semantic Error was much better in terms of consistent, cogent writing, story, and pacing. And that came out 3 years ago and became unexpectedly successful in Korea! So no, Iâm not going to give this watered down BL props just for existing. They could have done much better with the source material they had to work with.
I maintain that the âSummerâ and tennis storylines are both aggressively uninteresting.
Like has Ji Yu ever actually expressed anything about her passion for music on the series? Has she talked at all about what compelled her to start her YouTube channel or what she loves about songwriting or playing music? Has she said anything about why this audition is important to her? No, she hasnât. So the entire storyline just feels like a plot device because itâs only ever mentioned to compel some kind of action from other characters. And yet so much time was devoted to it in this episode. Why?
And then the tennis storyline ughhhh. I roll my eyes whenever Chan Young is onscreen at this point because what is he even bringing to this drama? Heâs a bad friend to Heesu, his relationship with Ji Yu is bland as hell, and I canât think of a single reason to care whether he succeeds or fails at tennis. The writing for his character is just consistently so mediocre. Giving him a sad backstory with his dad is not a replacement for actually developing the storyline in a meaningful and interesting way.
This drama should have been like 6 episodes long because the writers didnât do anything interesting with the extra time. So much filler itâs crazy.
Still watching for the eventual payoff of the main romance. But it would be a much better drama if theyâd just stuck to that storyline in the first place instead of going in like 6 different narrative directions.
Thereâs really only one thing I can say about Heesu in Class 2: âItâs full of useless script lines and pointless…
Right? Like people keep calling this a âslow burnâ but slow burn implies that there are actually interesting scenes and steady development between the leads. In this, they just keep beating the same miscommunication tropes to death and filling the time with unnecessary drama and fluff.
The miscommunication trope has really outlived its usefulness to the narrative at this point. So much petty drama for no reason, and sooo much unnecessary filler in epsiode 7. It took me like 2 hours to get through the 40 minute episode because I kept getting bored and pausing to do other things đ
Man, I gotta reread the webtoon because itâs been ages & I remember almost nothing from it, & truthfully, I…
Itâs very different. A couple of random scenes from the webtoon do appear in the drama, but for the most part nearly every single scene is different and the plot progression is changed substantially. Plus, they invented a lot of storylines and character traits (like the charactersâ hobbies) that donât exist in the webtoon at all.
Okay so Iâm finally reading the webtoon and what gets me is they totally could have made the Chan Young/Ji Yu relationship plot work in a much more organic way if theyâd just followed closer to the source material. They didnât have to elevate them to these main roles or make their romance such a prominent plot point in order to make that work. And they certainly didnât need to add in the silly tennis and secret musician storylines for either of them.
We could have had it all! And in a way that actually made sense and didnât distract from the main plot of the webtoon! But instead the production decided they just *needed* to insert a bland straight romance front and center into a BL and thatâs so dumb!
Personally, I liked episode 6 well enough. Not nearly as good as 5, but way ahead of 4 for sure.
That said, Iâve been saying since episode 3 that I hope itâll finally be time to switch over from the focus on the Ji Yu/Chan Young romance on to Heesu/Seung Won. Because really - how much more can they possibly do with the straight couple? Theyâre together officially, and still as bland as they always have been.
I liked the focus on the friendships/relationships between all 4 main characters in this episode, but the Heesu/Seung Won romance needs to take center stage for real from now on or this whole drama will be a write off.
Episode 5 was definitely an improvement compared to episode 4 for me.
Ji Yu facilitating Seung Won and Heesuâs relationship was what I always hoped for so those scenes were really fun! And I loved that we got the backstory of Seung Wonâs friendship with Ji Yu, plus some actual character development for him.
Then of course the sleepover scenes were lovely! I kind of hate the way this drama skirts around the word âgayâ (and other identity terms), but I love that Heesu was able to have that talk with Seung Won about his mom and that it eased a bit of the burden of being different that he was feeling. Itâs great that they finally seem to be developing a relationship where Heesu sees Seung Won as more than just a guy heâs matchmaking.
To me, the weakest parts of the series are still the Chan Young/Ji Yu romance and the Chan Young tennis storyline. I just canât bring myself to care about either of these plot lines. Neither feels satisfying or particularly interesting to me.
I'm not going to lie. The thing that makes me the most uncomfortable about the adaptation isn't the straight couple…
As someone who hasnât read the webtoon, itâs really interesting to learn that none of this was in the source material. I had seen people say that a lot of changes to the relationships between characters were made, but I didnât realize that extended to these plot points as well. Now it makes more sense why they feel underdeveloped.
And I agree with you that Iâd prefer to see a series like that! Some of my favorite moments in this drama are the scenes between Heesu and his sisters or the friendship scenes between Heesu/Chan Young and Seung Won/Ji Yu. That plus the relatability of unrequited crushes, first love, and mundane family troubles are enough to make a series shine. I donât think thereâs a need to try to make Chan Young a tennis star because the way theyâre handling that story (and others) just isnât compelling.
I totally understand people's criticism and I have ton of cricitism for the recent episodes myself. Am I annoyed…
I find it frustrating because the production value is clearly so high. I was so impressed with the first couple episodes because itâs clear that money and time and planning were invested in this drama.
But those efforts seem to have gone to the wrong place. The production team probably thought that they could market the drama better if they sold it as a youth drama where the straight characters and their relationship are just as important. But they clearly miscalculated because nobody wants that! Especially if it comes across as generically as it has so far here.
Iâm still watching and hoping itâll improve as well, but itâs so sad that they squandered so much of the source materialâs potential within the first few episodes.
So, I have not read the source material, but i just binged these 4 episodes....I am a gay guy....so I am pro M/M…
This was my perspective up until the most recent episode, but as of the last epsiode I am getting more concerned about the progress of the main coupleâs story - especially since one of the people in that couple (Seung Won) doesnât have much of an identity yet apart from his crush on Heesu. Iâd rather the series spend more time earlier on to develop his backstory and tell us more about him as a person but all we really know at this point is that he leads the counseling club, people think heâs obsessed with getting into university, and he likes Heesu.
I donât mind the fact that the straight couple was added, but I also think that itâs reasonable for people to have distaste for adaptations of queer media that shift the focus away from the queer couple that is central to that media. I havenât given up on it yet, but I understand why some other people have - especially if theyâre fans of the source material as written.
If Iâm âtriggeredâ itâs because I canât stand when people insist on arguing points that theyâre clearly uninformed or misinformed about. Just admit that you were wrong and move on instead of persisting in trying to defend yourself with bogus claims.
Subjective means opinion, objective means fact. lmao
I maintain that the âSummerâ and tennis storylines are both aggressively uninteresting.
Like has Ji Yu ever actually expressed anything about her passion for music on the series? Has she talked at all about what compelled her to start her YouTube channel or what she loves about songwriting or playing music? Has she said anything about why this audition is important to her? No, she hasnât. So the entire storyline just feels like a plot device because itâs only ever mentioned to compel some kind of action from other characters. And yet so much time was devoted to it in this episode. Why?
And then the tennis storyline ughhhh. I roll my eyes whenever Chan Young is onscreen at this point because what is he even bringing to this drama? Heâs a bad friend to Heesu, his relationship with Ji Yu is bland as hell, and I canât think of a single reason to care whether he succeeds or fails at tennis. The writing for his character is just consistently so mediocre. Giving him a sad backstory with his dad is not a replacement for actually developing the storyline in a meaningful and interesting way.
This drama should have been like 6 episodes long because the writers didnât do anything interesting with the extra time. So much filler itâs crazy.
Still watching for the eventual payoff of the main romance. But it would be a much better drama if theyâd just stuck to that storyline in the first place instead of going in like 6 different narrative directions.
We could have had it all! And in a way that actually made sense and didnât distract from the main plot of the webtoon! But instead the production decided they just *needed* to insert a bland straight romance front and center into a BL and thatâs so dumb!
That said, Iâve been saying since episode 3 that I hope itâll finally be time to switch over from the focus on the Ji Yu/Chan Young romance on to Heesu/Seung Won. Because really - how much more can they possibly do with the straight couple? Theyâre together officially, and still as bland as they always have been.
I liked the focus on the friendships/relationships between all 4 main characters in this episode, but the Heesu/Seung Won romance needs to take center stage for real from now on or this whole drama will be a write off.
Ji Yu facilitating Seung Won and Heesuâs relationship was what I always hoped for so those scenes were really fun! And I loved that we got the backstory of Seung Wonâs friendship with Ji Yu, plus some actual character development for him.
Then of course the sleepover scenes were lovely! I kind of hate the way this drama skirts around the word âgayâ (and other identity terms), but I love that Heesu was able to have that talk with Seung Won about his mom and that it eased a bit of the burden of being different that he was feeling. Itâs great that they finally seem to be developing a relationship where Heesu sees Seung Won as more than just a guy heâs matchmaking.
To me, the weakest parts of the series are still the Chan Young/Ji Yu romance and the Chan Young tennis storyline. I just canât bring myself to care about either of these plot lines. Neither feels satisfying or particularly interesting to me.
And I agree with you that Iâd prefer to see a series like that! Some of my favorite moments in this drama are the scenes between Heesu and his sisters or the friendship scenes between Heesu/Chan Young and Seung Won/Ji Yu. That plus the relatability of unrequited crushes, first love, and mundane family troubles are enough to make a series shine. I donât think thereâs a need to try to make Chan Young a tennis star because the way theyâre handling that story (and others) just isnât compelling.
But those efforts seem to have gone to the wrong place. The production team probably thought that they could market the drama better if they sold it as a youth drama where the straight characters and their relationship are just as important. But they clearly miscalculated because nobody wants that! Especially if it comes across as generically as it has so far here.
Iâm still watching and hoping itâll improve as well, but itâs so sad that they squandered so much of the source materialâs potential within the first few episodes.
I donât mind the fact that the straight couple was added, but I also think that itâs reasonable for people to have distaste for adaptations of queer media that shift the focus away from the queer couple that is central to that media. I havenât given up on it yet, but I understand why some other people have - especially if theyâre fans of the source material as written.