Sometimes I just need Ding Yu Xi dramas to heal me from those typical stiff ahh male leads in dramas, no one can…
Ding Yu Xi is one of my favorite actors and one of the few actors I realize how much he enjoys what he does. There's a bts video from "The Romance of Tiger and Rose" where Zhao Lusi addresses Ding Yu Xi saying, "Yes, we know you act very well," as if there were a certain rivalry between the two in the art of acting. I find them similar in that aspect—they are naturally performative.
The director of this drama, Sha Wei Qi, has a list of 6 dramas on MDL, five of which have ratings between 8.2 and 8.8. Only one drama has a rating of 5.5, even though it hasn't been distributed outside of China. Personally, I've watched all 5 dramas and I can already identify his sensitive and perfectionist approach to making dramas.
This drama marks Li Hong Yi's return after going through enormous difficulties due to litigation with his former agency. So I'm very happy with his return! Those "mimimi" people who only know how to demand perfection and judge an actor's character based on a short video, just because he feels uncomfortable dancing, should only watch AI-generated dramas. These dramas without real people have perfectly talented actors! Although we may not be aware of it, many people are contributing, with their insensitivity and hypercriticism, to the discouragement of others. We must be very, very careful about what we write about real people. We can speak very badly of the characters and the actors' performances, but I repeat, we must be very careful when it comes to criticizing people, even more so people we don't truly know—their character, their likeability, their intelligence... Because here we can create irreparable damage to people's lives.
I'm happy about Li Hong Yi's return. After all the problems that plagued his life, I hope his path now leads to success and recognition for his work as an actor. I wish Li Hong Yi all the best!
I apologize if I return to the topic of AI, leaving aside "Overdo" for a moment, but we cannot let this issue drop. The greed of streaming company CEOs blinds them to reality. First, they have no compassion whatsoever for the people who are left unemployed and desperate. And second, they make a huge mistake if they think the public will happily swallow all the garbage they want to sell us as entertainment - garbage that is garbage because it doesn't have actors who are people who are characters, garbage because there is no place for either human perfection or imperfection, garbage because it robs us of art, our place par excellence. If they think that the traditional audience of dramas and series, not only in China but throughout the world, readily accepts and will consume products partially or completely generated by AI, you are very much mistaken! I just hope they learn a big, BIG lesson! Speaking of Chinese dramas, just when they were starting to become more popular internationally, these CEO pests come along and destroy an entire cinematic tradition, an entire tradition of teamwork, an entire tradition of genres, in short, an entire art of storytelling rooted in Chinese culture, and decide to replace it all with emptiness!
What's at stake isn't whether or not to watch "Overdo"! It's not the drama that's being contested.What's…
When I talked about subscriptions, I wasn't referring to "Overdo" in particular, or AI-generated introductions. I had in mind a near future that is already happening in vertical dramas, where everything, or a lot of it, is generated by AI. So I believe that streaming companies will lose a lot, perhaps not at first, because it's new, but later on, although people can always surprise us negatively and start to become more attached to AI-generated actors, as happens with the phenomenon of virtual boyfriends, romantic chatbots.
The criticism of the AI-generated intro is fair. But refusing to watch an entire drama just because of its intro?…
What's at stake isn't whether or not to watch "Overdo"! It's not the drama that's being contested. What's at stake is art and its value, as an intrinsically human space and expression of the "self," of creativity and originality. Art that is being replaced by simulacra! Art that all these production companies despise, using generic posters, introductions, film sequences, without originality or artistic quality, which could just as easily be on a poster in a store or in a YouTube ad. And people have the right to indignation and should demonstrate and make companies realize their discontent and make companies realize that more and more people will refuse to pay subscriptions to see counterfeit products! I know that AI will dominate everything and millions and millions will be laid off, and entertainment is the first to suffer. So many creative and high-quality people losing their jobs just because production companies think the public is content with something generic, soulless, and of mediocre quality. So there's a huge amount of contempt for EVERYONE here!
It's kind of shocking that this is the first time ppl are talking an an ai intro in a cdrama bc this isn't even…
I am also very sad and disappointed about this. Art was a space par excellence for humanity to express the "self," creativity, and originality. They are stealing that space from us, replacing it with a simulacrum. I know we can't do much when so many people are consuming these AI-generated entertainment products and the companies only think about profit. However, we can make our position clear by commenting on these companies' social media and sending emails. I have already sent emails to IQYI and We TV/Tencent.
A reflection on AI in the credits of this drama. The different arts (from painting to cinema, from theater to literature...) have always been the quintessential space for the deepest and most genuine human creation and expression. To give up this space in the name of progress and profit, replacing it with a simulacrum of art and humanity, is to deny our human identity and everything we are as a society. So, yes, we must protest and flood the social networks and emails of companies that create such affronts, disparaging graphic art, in this case "Overdo". We know that more and more people are consuming all kinds of AI-generated entertainment; there is indeed a boom, but we must also remind companies and producers that we want ART from humans for humans without resorting to any kind of AI. And in the film and series market, there will certainly be a large segment of the market that will continue to consume them. It is my conviction that, one way or another, sooner or later, once the novelty of AI wears off, traditional productions will regain importance, no longer exclusive, but alongside what is generated by AI.
You mentioned we must take into account context, yes in china you can refer to someone else as brother or sister…
My comment had a more generic value, seeking to give an idea of the different contexts in which such familiar expressions were used in Chinese culture. And I wasn't denying anything! In this drama, it's justifiable that they present themselves as brother and sister, since their parents live together, making this form of address simpler in front of others, without giving complicated explanations about the family, in addition to the fact that in the minds of children and teenagers, relationships are more natural and easier to name. As for the romantic premise - love between close friends/neighbors or between foster siblings (in this case, if that relationship doesn't come from birth and has a limited time, with separation in between), I don't see anything problematic. I can talk about many real cases, including my own. For me, CEO-employee relationships are much more complicated, because in real life they are not so romantic, based on a power relationship and often abusive (the scene of secretary Kim tying her boss's tie is paradigmatic of this dangerous romanticization), with a lot of infidelity. I also consider the glorification of alcoholism in many dramas to be far more serious—aspects that people rarely discuss and that destroy so many lives.
What I'm about to say has already been said by many, but I'll reiterate it because there's still some "indignation" about the fact that the characters address each other as "brother"/"sister." If I give any incorrect information, please correct me because I'm not Chinese and I don't know Chinese culture well. In Mandarin, "Gege" means "older brother." Have you noticed how the actors address each other on variety shows? We only hear "Gege" or "Ge" everywhere! And also, of course, "Didi" - younger brother; "Méimei" - younger sister; and Jiějie - older sister. In Chinese culture, these terms mark the respect and affection used in the family, but they are also frequently used in everyday life among close friends or as an affectionate term for someone older or younger. Thus, they are expressions used not only for biological relationships, but are terms used in everyday life, also marking a certain age hierarchy. For example, if I meet a girl younger than my son, I'll tell my son to call her "mèimei". So, when in C-dramas, characters call each other "brother" or "sister", it doesn't mean they have biological ties. We must take into account the context in which they speak. And there's no mistake! And this even happens in many countries when we address our friends as "bro," for example.
it was on iqiyi lol and many people have iqiyi subscription,its equivalent to Viki.
Netflix is the world's largest streaming company and has subscribers on five continents, and Viki also has a large reach in terms of audience for Asian dramas. Chinese dramas like "Hidden Love," "The First Frost," and "Pursuit of Jade" were as successful because they premiered on Netflix and reached many people who were even unaware of the existence of Chinese productions. Let's not forget that there are many people who refuse, perhaps for convenience, to use platforms other than Netflix. So, yes, "Never-Ending Summer" would have been a worldwide hit if it had been shown on Netflix (or at least Viki). But, as happened with "When I Fly Towards You," after seeing its huge success, perhaps they will still add this drama to their catalog.
Dyk what thing I hate the most is Comparisons. whether it's between dramas, people or literally anything.Yeah,…
Let me share my experience: "Love Between Fairy and Devil" was one of my first C-dramas, and I really enjoyed it. In the meantime, "Love You Seven Times" premiered, and a dirty campaign against this drama began, undoubtedly carried out by the Esther Yu's and "Love Between Fairy and Devil"'s fandoms, to the point where Ding Yu Xi and Yang Chao Yue cried publicly. I have this image of him kneeling and her on the sofa crying because of how attacked they were in a live stream. It was such an ugly campaign that it influenced the success of this drama, affecting the enjoyment of its viewing, not giving a minute of peace. I read comments on the LYST MDL page from fans of Esther You and LBFAD rejoicing that this drama was not successful. I don't know if they deleted the comments or not, but I read them. Being a European fan of C-dramas myself, I was so negatively impressed that I started avoiding Esther Yu's dramas (besides LBFAD, I had also watched "Moonlight", which I also enjoyed). Honestly, these malicious campaigns, wishing for the failure of others, give a very bad image, create a bad atmosphere and indignation, and some repulsion against the actor/actress, all of that caused by his/her own fans. LET THESE TWO DRAMAS DEFEND THEMSELVES AND HAVE THE SUCCESS THEY DESERVE.
Now, I know why this was a good drama and sometimes compared to Korean (This is my first before this). Overall,…
Chinese dramas don't have to be compared to Korean dramas. Why do Korean dramas have to be the model to follow? I like that they are different - the pace, the Chinese way of telling a story, more attentive to detail, more sensitive, giving time to the development of the characters, appeals to me.
And here you are, a vigilante on social media, telling everyone to stfu. How many suicides do you have to see…
Honestly, I really liked your comment and the clear way you explain the problem. And that's exactly it. Thank you. Having dealt with someone's suicide, I can only say that this situation is so painful, it creates such a feeling of guilt in us – "if I had been there I would have prevented it," "Why didn't I go to dinner with him when he invited me?"... – that families often don't want to publicly admit this type of death. There are religious reasons, guilt, a feeling of dishonoring their loved one, social stigma... That's why I understand that in many cases of suicide, the cause of death is not disclosed, and this happens in the East as it does in the West. There is also a social issue: the fear of imitation, leading to a greater or lesser degree of self-regulation or censorship, which provokes great speculation and conspiracy theories.
And here you are, a vigilante on social media, telling everyone to stfu. How many suicides do you have to see…
Part of the problem is those who spend their time devastating the private lives of deceased actors and their families, creating conspiracy theories and believing in fake news, contributing nothing to solving the problem, instead continuing to be manipulated and getting involved in nothing. Perhaps we should be healthier as fans, not idolizing artists, and not letting them quickly fall into oblivion, leading them to deep depressions. And yes, we should respect real people and their suffering
So I'm very happy with his return! Those "mimimi" people who only know how to demand perfection and judge an actor's character based on a short video, just because he feels uncomfortable dancing, should only watch AI-generated dramas. These dramas without real people have perfectly talented actors!
Although we may not be aware of it, many people are contributing, with their insensitivity and hypercriticism, to the discouragement of others. We must be very, very careful about what we write about real people. We can speak very badly of the characters and the actors' performances, but I repeat, we must be very careful when it comes to criticizing people, even more so people we don't truly know—their character, their likeability, their intelligence... Because here we can create irreparable damage to people's lives.
The greed of streaming company CEOs blinds them to reality.
First, they have no compassion whatsoever for the people who are left unemployed and desperate. And second, they make a huge mistake if they think the public will happily swallow all the garbage they want to sell us as entertainment - garbage that is garbage because it doesn't have actors who are people who are characters, garbage because there is no place for either human perfection or imperfection, garbage because it robs us of art, our place par excellence.
If they think that the traditional audience of dramas and series, not only in China but throughout the world, readily accepts and will consume products partially or completely generated by AI, you are very much mistaken!
I just hope they learn a big, BIG lesson!
Speaking of Chinese dramas, just when they were starting to become more popular internationally, these CEO pests come along and destroy an entire cinematic tradition, an entire tradition of teamwork, an entire tradition of genres, in short, an entire art of storytelling rooted in Chinese culture, and decide to replace it all with emptiness!
So I believe that streaming companies will lose a lot, perhaps not at first, because it's new, but later on, although people can always surprise us negatively and start to become more attached to AI-generated actors, as happens with the phenomenon of virtual boyfriends, romantic chatbots.
What's at stake is art and its value, as an intrinsically human space and expression of the "self," of creativity and originality. Art that is being replaced by simulacra! Art that all these production companies despise, using generic posters, introductions, film sequences, without originality or artistic quality, which could just as easily be on a poster in a store or in a YouTube ad. And people have the right to indignation and should demonstrate and make companies realize their discontent and make companies realize that more and more people will refuse to pay subscriptions to see counterfeit products!
I know that AI will dominate everything and millions and millions will be laid off, and entertainment is the first to suffer. So many creative and high-quality people losing their jobs just because production companies think the public is content with something generic, soulless, and of mediocre quality. So there's a huge amount of contempt for EVERYONE here!
I know we can't do much when so many people are consuming these AI-generated entertainment products and the companies only think about profit.
However, we can make our position clear by commenting on these companies' social media and sending emails. I have already sent emails to IQYI and We TV/Tencent.
The different arts (from painting to cinema, from theater to literature...) have always been the quintessential space for the deepest and most genuine human creation and expression. To give up this space in the name of progress and profit, replacing it with a simulacrum of art and humanity, is to deny our human identity and everything we are as a society.
So, yes, we must protest and flood the social networks and emails of companies that create such affronts, disparaging graphic art, in this case "Overdo".
We know that more and more people are consuming all kinds of AI-generated entertainment; there is indeed a boom, but we must also remind companies and producers that we want ART from humans for humans without resorting to any kind of AI. And in the film and series market, there will certainly be a large segment of the market that will continue to consume them.
It is my conviction that, one way or another, sooner or later, once the novelty of AI wears off, traditional productions will regain importance, no longer exclusive, but alongside what is generated by AI.
In this drama, it's justifiable that they present themselves as brother and sister, since their parents live together, making this form of address simpler in front of others, without giving complicated explanations about the family, in addition to the fact that in the minds of children and teenagers, relationships are more natural and easier to name.
As for the romantic premise - love between close friends/neighbors or between foster siblings (in this case, if that relationship doesn't come from birth and has a limited time, with separation in between), I don't see anything problematic. I can talk about many real cases, including my own.
For me, CEO-employee relationships are much more complicated, because in real life they are not so romantic, based on a power relationship and often abusive (the scene of secretary Kim tying her boss's tie is paradigmatic of this dangerous romanticization), with a lot of infidelity. I also consider the glorification of alcoholism in many dramas to be far more serious—aspects that people rarely discuss and that destroy so many lives.
In Mandarin, "Gege" means "older brother." Have you noticed how the actors address each other on variety shows? We only hear "Gege" or "Ge" everywhere! And also, of course, "Didi" - younger brother; "Méimei" - younger sister; and Jiějie - older sister.
In Chinese culture, these terms mark the respect and affection used in the family, but they are also frequently used in everyday life among close friends or as an affectionate term for someone older or younger. Thus, they are expressions used not only for biological relationships, but are terms used in everyday life, also marking a certain age hierarchy. For example, if I meet a girl younger than my son, I'll tell my son to call her "mèimei".
So, when in C-dramas, characters call each other "brother" or "sister", it doesn't mean they have biological ties. We must take into account the context in which they speak. And there's no mistake! And this even happens in many countries when we address our friends as "bro," for example.
Chinese dramas like "Hidden Love," "The First Frost," and "Pursuit of Jade" were as successful because they premiered on Netflix and reached many people who were even unaware of the existence of Chinese productions.
Let's not forget that there are many people who refuse, perhaps for convenience, to use platforms other than Netflix.
So, yes, "Never-Ending Summer" would have been a worldwide hit if it had been shown on Netflix (or at least Viki). But, as happened with "When I Fly Towards You," after seeing its huge success, perhaps they will still add this drama to their catalog.
Being a European fan of C-dramas myself, I was so negatively impressed that I started avoiding Esther Yu's dramas (besides LBFAD, I had also watched "Moonlight", which I also enjoyed).
Honestly, these malicious campaigns, wishing for the failure of others, give a very bad image, create a bad atmosphere and indignation, and some repulsion against the actor/actress, all of that caused by his/her own fans.
LET THESE TWO DRAMAS DEFEND THEMSELVES AND HAVE THE SUCCESS THEY DESERVE.
I like that they are different - the pace, the Chinese way of telling a story, more attentive to detail, more sensitive, giving time to the development of the characters, appeals to me.
Having dealt with someone's suicide, I can only say that this situation is so painful, it creates such a feeling of guilt in us – "if I had been there I would have prevented it," "Why didn't I go to dinner with him when he invited me?"... – that families often don't want to publicly admit this type of death. There are religious reasons, guilt, a feeling of dishonoring their loved one, social stigma... That's why I understand that in many cases of suicide, the cause of death is not disclosed, and this happens in the East as it does in the West. There is also a social issue: the fear of imitation, leading to a greater or lesser degree of self-regulation or censorship, which provokes great speculation and conspiracy theories.
Perhaps we should be healthier as fans, not idolizing artists, and not letting them quickly fall into oblivion, leading them to deep depressions. And yes, we should respect real people and their suffering