Ach, this should've been released on a schedule of two episodes per week. I am loving the series but I think I'll have to wait for it to finish airing & then binge it. This 25-minutes/week release schedule is just...no.
My thoughts exactly! Came here after watching this shit show to see if anyone else was as exasperated as I was.…
I'm still watching because I legitimately like JaFirst & Bosston. Seriously, Bosston is doing the absolute best he can with what he's been handed, & I like the complexity he's managed to give his character despite the bad script. I really want him to get a breakthrough role & I hope the display of his range here will push his career forward.
I am going to miss JaFirst as a pair, as Ja has chosen not to renew his contract. Despite the terrible director for this, they have managed to occasionally infuse their scenes with the fantastic chemistry they've demonstrated in their other projects. I am convinced the dip-into-kiss that Ja did was improvised, just judging from how genuine First's reaction was.
Ah well. It's definitely not my favourite airing series at the moment but I do appreciate what the actors are giving, to whatever extent the production allows.
My thoughts exactly! Came here after watching this shit show to see if anyone else was as exasperated as I was.…
It's all so ridiculous.
Punn is simply not the type of character who would view Ashi's method(ish) acting as an offense. He's Ashi's #1 fan as well as his faen, knows everything about Ashi's process as an actor, & is himself versed in how actors often create their characters by drawing from their lived experiences. Just NOTHING about the conflict makes sense. Not Punn's anger, nor his refusal to listen to Ashi, or even Ashi's choice to back off. Sure, Ashi's been about as present throughout the series as a semi-dissipated fart but, still; Ashi has shown that he knows how to communicate with Punn, & it makes zero sense he'd just give up & walk out like that.
Also, that "Let's be friends" rubbish with Title is just the icing on this shit cake. Title has been an absolute snake throughout the whole series, & I just cannot accept that either Ashi or even Punn are naïve enough to think a bastard like Title would make such an abrupt about-face.
The script wasn't great to begin with but this episode has derailed everything it managed to set-up in terms of characters, motivations, & conflicts. I don't even really believe that Title would think Ashi's character notes could drive a wedge between Ashi & Punn. Title is an asshole but he is also a consummate professional in his field, just like Ashi. I just don't see him viewing an actor's work process as some kind of weapon. It makes him look stupid rather than conniving.
I am so, so, so pissed this is likely JaFirst's last project together. They deserved so much better than this.
But hey, maybe BosstonJo will get new work. I actually like them as a pairing, they just need solid material.
My thoughts exactly! Came here after watching this shit show to see if anyone else was as exasperated as I was.…
It isn't even within context of Punn's character. The Punn we've been shown would've been thrilled to bits that Ashi was channeling their love story into what may be the greatest role of his career. Punn would be gushing that goofy-ass grin in his brother's stupid face & bragging his ass off. For Punn, seeing Ashi invoking their love on the silver screen would be the equivalent of a big, flashy, neon sign announcement. He would treasure it close to his heart as proof that Ashi is always thinking of him, of the layers of their love, & absorbing it into every aspect of himself so thoroughly that it becomes a part of his acting craft.
The Punn we know would've creamed his whole trousers when Title showed him those photos.
Excuse me, what are we mad about? That Ashi, a professional actor, utilized his only experience of devoted love to inform his understanding of his character's romance in a romance movie? For real? Are they fucking serious? What utterly contrived nonsense.
Speaking of nonsense—what even was the point of that Mueang & Doctor thing? If that's the most the script has to offer by way of their story, just let them—& us—enjoy the fucking in peace. At least the sex has better writing & more of a plot. That was their very first time doing it in an onsen, the stakes were high—they could've slipped & drowned! Doctor nearly got kneed in the eye—by his own knee! The whole scene was fraught with passion, danger, & fluids. Absolutely riveting stuff in comparison to the rest of this mess.
This is the longest 7-11 commercial I've ever seen.
Does anyone happen to know the song name & artist(s) of the song played during the NC scene of the pilot? I've tried & tried to identify it but I keep hitting walls. The lyrics I think I hear:
"Heart of gold, will of steel is what you have, Pick me up when I was sinking in quicksand..."
Honestly, I'm surprised the scene directly after the Wave/Trin flashback wasn't Wave & Trin apologizing to one another & becoming bestest buds again. Immediate conflict resolution is this show's default. Maybe they just couldn't get the scheduling to work with Pod & Guy, & thus had no choice but to leave a conflict...*le gasp*...unresolved.
As with everything else, wish we'd spent more time on the Wave/Trin story throughout the series. That few minutes of story was, like the JengPok story, so much more intriguing than anything JokeZo are doing.
Also—I am so angry at how poorly this series is handling the JengPok relationship. It has made Jeng look like a manipulative sociopath, & Pok a pathetic weakling. I saw what they were trying to do in that car scene (& AouBoom are terrific) but the script simply never set the stage for or supported that type of emotional payoff. Poor AouBoom.
Anywho. Do we care about this debate competition? It's seriously the show's only real conflict but I keep forgetting they're even on a debate team until it comes up. Which is sad because I won my share of forensic competitions back in school & really love the sport, but this series has made even that aspect mindnumbingly dull.
Frankly, I'm more interested in Zo's Father's back issues. It seems he's in hospital next week. Perhaps those "back issues" are far more serious than he's letting on? Is he hiding an illness by lying about his back so he doesn't stress out his family? Will this be the ultimate breaking point of his marriage? Will he be diagnosed with cancer & realize life's too short to stay with that woman, no matter how much he loved her, & he'll abandon the farm, divorce his wife, move to Bangkok, & open a boutique farm-to-table eatery with a handsome semi-retired baker he meets at a dog park after adopting a three-legged stray he finds on a rainy night while strolling the Ratchaprasong Skywalk...
This was a deeply disappointing series but I would absolutely watch a second season featuring Song Hyun Jae and Simeon. Those two had more chemistry, humour, personality, & meaty backstory in their handful of scenes together than Choi Jun and Lee Jun (and the final episode cemented for me that Lee Jun did not, in fact, remember much of anything about his childhood friendship with Choi Jun).
I still cannot fathom why they wasted so many episodes on three men lusting after Lee Jun. He was bland even for the character archetype he was. I could believe it in Choi Jun's case because the series did manage to portray that Choi Jun's childhood friendship was the single most impactful relationship of his entire life, so I bought that he'd be in love with at least his nostalgia-influenced, imagined version of Lee Jun, even if the actual adult Lee Jun was a non-entity. But what the other two, especially Simeon, saw in him eludes me.
I put Hyun Jae down to mistaking brotherly affection for romantic love, which can happen when you have that much responsibility for someone else's life, but Simeon seemed like the type of character who would find a guy like Lee Jun outright boring, especially in comparison to the dryly sarcastic, effortlessly charming, smoothly teasing Hyun Jae, who was able to spar word-for-word with Simeon and match his energy. I really wish we'd spent more time with those two and less time with the Gossipy Bitches in the office. I mean, we really should've spent way more time with Jun and Jun, since this was, in theory, their story, but, if choices had to be made...
Overall, it's just an unnecessary and forgettable series.
I am actively rooting against Shin remembering. I want him to permanently forget Minato, transfer to a University in Tokyo, and find himself an actual boyfriend who isn't emotionally constipated.
When Minato was telling the others to "lie" to Shin and say Minato was just a brotherly figure who loaned Shin a room temporarily, I thought, "That is PRECISELY what your relationship is". They were just roommates.
Soooo...why was he in the trash? Or, rather, under the trash? Just not even going to give that a brief explanation, a flashback, something? Nothing? Ok.
Lol. My sentiment exactly. The moment I saw Lee Long Shi. I shouted "Hell No"... It's bad enough that I don't…
Lee Long Shi is a strong actor and I like him but the poor man just cannot catch a break. I don't understand why. He's got everything the industry wants in their BL stars—handsome, sexy, charismatic, solid kisser. As a bonus, he can actually act!
I guess he must just be stuck in an absolute shite contract.
Aside from that—what a waste of an episode. And I'm not certain how/why we're supposed to care if Doctor goes back to his ex. I have no idea why Mueang is so heartbroken because I have no idea what he even sees in Doctor. Who is Doctor? I still couldn't tell you one single damn thing about his character other than his profession and that he's DTF any time, anywhere.
Honestly, Mueang deserves better anyway. He'll make some lucky person a truly excellent faen someday, he should stop wasting his time on wishy-washy Doctor. The sex doesn't even look THAT great.
Also—it oughta be a crime what the Thai BL industry is doing to Lee Long Shi. Won't someone please rescue him and give him a solid role in a good series?
On the one hand, I like that conflicts aren't drawn out just for the sake of drama. On the other hand: this is a drama; where is the conflict? Did the writers have it in their contract that all issues must be resolved by the end credits?
I am so disappointed in the JengPok story. They both had valid concerns and complex issues, and we can't even get at least two or three episodes to see Jeng wrestle with his hesitancy to come out vs. his love for Pok, and for Pok to enjoy the freedom of being himself and not hiding? I would've even welcomed a slight time jump where Pok got to openly date someone, and Jeng had to do some deep soul-searching to find the strength to come out and make an enormous effort to win Pok back (or stay closeted and let Pok go). That scene at the football pitch felt less like Jeng having had a sincere revelation and more like him panically manipulating Pok into staying with him.
If Jeng isn't ready to be out, that's fine, we all have our own journeys, but he doesn't have the right to keep Pok in the closet with him, and if he truly loved Pok, he would be able to reflect on how worthy his affections can truly be if he insists on keeping his beloved a dirty secret. Jeng deserved that character arc. Pok deserved for Jeng to have that character arc. What we got feels so hollow, so unearned, and actually makes me want them to break-up for good.
I am going to miss JaFirst as a pair, as Ja has chosen not to renew his contract. Despite the terrible director for this, they have managed to occasionally infuse their scenes with the fantastic chemistry they've demonstrated in their other projects. I am convinced the dip-into-kiss that Ja did was improvised, just judging from how genuine First's reaction was.
Ah well. It's definitely not my favourite airing series at the moment but I do appreciate what the actors are giving, to whatever extent the production allows.
Punn is simply not the type of character who would view Ashi's method(ish) acting as an offense. He's Ashi's #1 fan as well as his faen, knows everything about Ashi's process as an actor, & is himself versed in how actors often create their characters by drawing from their lived experiences. Just NOTHING about the conflict makes sense. Not Punn's anger, nor his refusal to listen to Ashi, or even Ashi's choice to back off. Sure, Ashi's been about as present throughout the series as a semi-dissipated fart but, still; Ashi has shown that he knows how to communicate with Punn, & it makes zero sense he'd just give up & walk out like that.
Also, that "Let's be friends" rubbish with Title is just the icing on this shit cake. Title has been an absolute snake throughout the whole series, & I just cannot accept that either Ashi or even Punn are naïve enough to think a bastard like Title would make such an abrupt about-face.
The script wasn't great to begin with but this episode has derailed everything it managed to set-up in terms of characters, motivations, & conflicts. I don't even really believe that Title would think Ashi's character notes could drive a wedge between Ashi & Punn. Title is an asshole but he is also a consummate professional in his field, just like Ashi. I just don't see him viewing an actor's work process as some kind of weapon. It makes him look stupid rather than conniving.
I am so, so, so pissed this is likely JaFirst's last project together. They deserved so much better than this.
But hey, maybe BosstonJo will get new work. I actually like them as a pairing, they just need solid material.
The Punn we know would've creamed his whole trousers when Title showed him those photos.
This script is just dumb.
Speaking of nonsense—what even was the point of that Mueang & Doctor thing? If that's the most the script has to offer by way of their story, just let them—& us—enjoy the fucking in peace. At least the sex has better writing & more of a plot. That was their very first time doing it in an onsen, the stakes were high—they could've slipped & drowned! Doctor nearly got kneed in the eye—by his own knee! The whole scene was fraught with passion, danger, & fluids. Absolutely riveting stuff in comparison to the rest of this mess.
Good grief, this show...
Does anyone happen to know the song name & artist(s) of the song played during the NC scene of the pilot? I've tried & tried to identify it but I keep hitting walls. The lyrics I think I hear:
"Heart of gold, will of steel
is what you have,
Pick me up when I was
sinking in quicksand..."
As with everything else, wish we'd spent more time on the Wave/Trin story throughout the series. That few minutes of story was, like the JengPok story, so much more intriguing than anything JokeZo are doing.
Also—I am so angry at how poorly this series is handling the JengPok relationship. It has made Jeng look like a manipulative sociopath, & Pok a pathetic weakling. I saw what they were trying to do in that car scene (& AouBoom are terrific) but the script simply never set the stage for or supported that type of emotional payoff. Poor AouBoom.
Anywho. Do we care about this debate competition? It's seriously the show's only real conflict but I keep forgetting they're even on a debate team until it comes up. Which is sad because I won my share of forensic competitions back in school & really love the sport, but this series has made even that aspect mindnumbingly dull.
Frankly, I'm more interested in Zo's Father's back issues. It seems he's in hospital next week. Perhaps those "back issues" are far more serious than he's letting on? Is he hiding an illness by lying about his back so he doesn't stress out his family? Will this be the ultimate breaking point of his marriage? Will he be diagnosed with cancer & realize life's too short to stay with that woman, no matter how much he loved her, & he'll abandon the farm, divorce his wife, move to Bangkok, & open a boutique farm-to-table eatery with a handsome semi-retired baker he meets at a dog park after adopting a three-legged stray he finds on a rainy night while strolling the Ratchaprasong Skywalk...
I still cannot fathom why they wasted so many episodes on three men lusting after Lee Jun. He was bland even for the character archetype he was. I could believe it in Choi Jun's case because the series did manage to portray that Choi Jun's childhood friendship was the single most impactful relationship of his entire life, so I bought that he'd be in love with at least his nostalgia-influenced, imagined version of Lee Jun, even if the actual adult Lee Jun was a non-entity. But what the other two, especially Simeon, saw in him eludes me.
I put Hyun Jae down to mistaking brotherly affection for romantic love, which can happen when you have that much responsibility for someone else's life, but Simeon seemed like the type of character who would find a guy like Lee Jun outright boring, especially in comparison to the dryly sarcastic, effortlessly charming, smoothly teasing Hyun Jae, who was able to spar word-for-word with Simeon and match his energy. I really wish we'd spent more time with those two and less time with the Gossipy Bitches in the office. I mean, we really should've spent way more time with Jun and Jun, since this was, in theory, their story, but, if choices had to be made...
Overall, it's just an unnecessary and forgettable series.
When Minato was telling the others to "lie" to Shin and say Minato was just a brotherly figure who loaned Shin a room temporarily, I thought, "That is PRECISELY what your relationship is". They were just roommates.
I guess he must just be stuck in an absolute shite contract.
Aside from that—what a waste of an episode. And I'm not certain how/why we're supposed to care if Doctor goes back to his ex. I have no idea why Mueang is so heartbroken because I have no idea what he even sees in Doctor. Who is Doctor? I still couldn't tell you one single damn thing about his character other than his profession and that he's DTF any time, anywhere.
Honestly, Mueang deserves better anyway. He'll make some lucky person a truly excellent faen someday, he should stop wasting his time on wishy-washy Doctor. The sex doesn't even look THAT great.
Also—it oughta be a crime what the Thai BL industry is doing to Lee Long Shi. Won't someone please rescue him and give him a solid role in a good series?
I am so disappointed in the JengPok story. They both had valid concerns and complex issues, and we can't even get at least two or three episodes to see Jeng wrestle with his hesitancy to come out vs. his love for Pok, and for Pok to enjoy the freedom of being himself and not hiding? I would've even welcomed a slight time jump where Pok got to openly date someone, and Jeng had to do some deep soul-searching to find the strength to come out and make an enormous effort to win Pok back (or stay closeted and let Pok go). That scene at the football pitch felt less like Jeng having had a sincere revelation and more like him panically manipulating Pok into staying with him.
If Jeng isn't ready to be out, that's fine, we all have our own journeys, but he doesn't have the right to keep Pok in the closet with him, and if he truly loved Pok, he would be able to reflect on how worthy his affections can truly be if he insists on keeping his beloved a dirty secret. Jeng deserved that character arc. Pok deserved for Jeng to have that character arc. What we got feels so hollow, so unearned, and actually makes me want them to break-up for good.