Written after ep 8: there is character growth, towards the very very end. I understand better some things now so I will not spill the beans. I do not want trolls to ruin it..... The drama is a cheesy cartoon but it has some super deep messages - including the "you need more than just a heart, you need cash too" lol Just kidding.
I thank the drama crew for an enjoyable and useful watch.
...me coming to read the comments because i'm 30 minutes in and bored watching these men argue...
You described yoursel :) I tried to communicate with you and you lack the bandwith to even try to listen. Who is condescending here? Not only acting condescending, but also dumb, refiusing to hear information. If you really lack the willingness and/or ability to follow logic, then ... be more polite about it.
Anyways, this is a waste of time and a pointless discussion bc you do not really want to exchange information and learn something, so... farewell
What do you mean by “No women in this drama”? There are 3…
i am not sure that BL dramas are for female audience - why would straight women watch two (or more) guys in love... ? clariification: I am not sure how you misunderstood me, but I counted BL dramas as "male centered" . Of course BL dramas are mostly targeted for that audience.
This drama seems to attract military types, who want to see only men acting and doing "manly things" like.... what we saw in first 2 episodes.
If women did not show up until ep 3.... sorry but i trust what i see, not what some scompi says :) As for that "talking about other things and not men" - well ... that is one small tiny test out of a big topic... Women can be made super small, insignificant and very stupid stereotypical even if they talk about topics other than men LOL Obviously you are not aware of that? I can rattle off fast some examples - e.g. women who talk about makeup, or neighbor gossip, or kids, or totally blunder through some more heady topic like politics mathematics or education, or just bitch around, or fight with each other, talk badly about each other, etc etc etc etc.... Ah.... so many ways to put women down.... ... Also, indirectly - women showed preening to make themselves more desirable, etc.
It is not a problem to see a drama like MIK bc these military-like environment and such other ones - like physical laborers or thugs stealing ocean-floor pottery - are male dominated indeed. The problem imo is that we have a barrage of such dramas, and often with bleak villainish favor, from this particular studio . Why?
I was going to ask you what made you think that this drama is a spy thriller since that genre is not listed even…
i am sorry, my sincere apologies. i will delete my comment. The posts tabbing and nesting is not very visible to me, so i thought you were replying to me. Thank you for clarifying, and thank you for your patience. Namaste.
well this is a cartoon, not a kdrama ;) and it is made to showcase Junho and make him look like a superhero.... and.... for a change... the ML is dumb, naive, greedy and selfish.... under the slipper....still like that In ep 5 and there are only 8 episodes. His girlfriend is no better... very materialistic... at least smart... and they do not communicate!!!!!! they are very materialistic brain dead consumers, a match made in hell..... ok by ep 6 we see he is finally working for the good but still.... this is interesting .... like superman... a very ordinary mediocre person has superpowers..
so i wonder .. what am i watching actually... ??. there is no redemption arc here, no character growth..... it is ... well... very .... strange. What kind of values is this trying to promote and which audience is it targeting?
Yet another super shallow drama.... how bad are the messages.... ? I will watch till the end to find out. It smells super fishy
Written after ep 8: he and his lady change towards the end, and they are a great team.
I understand better some things now so I will not spill the beans. The drama is a cheesy cartoon but it has some deep messages and I do not want trolls to ruin it.
It has to go down badly since she is super selfish and immature. She will have to learn to love - Daniel and all…
dream on lol seems like to justify your own immaturity. you can run away from it all your life if you want LOL but that does not change the facts:
FL was super selfish and immature in how she treated her mother during the events leading to the accident and 7 years after, to the day her mother died FL was like a nasty spoiled gimme me child
go through the comments and you will see soooo many comments mentioning that
...me coming to read the comments because i'm 30 minutes in and bored watching these men argue...
Exactly, your brain is off and you are unwilling to turn it on. you are not really watching this drama. perhaps find a drama that does not require turning the brain on and then you might be a lot happier
I like their relying on mood and dialogue. It makes a smart drama and a psychological thriller. for example, Famous…
well then do NOT watch this. It is not 'mission impossible" and you want to watch something like mission impossible. so do not waste time here, you will never be happy
What do you mean by “No women in this drama”? There are 3…
YOU SHOULD NEVER CUSS AT ANYONE AND CALL THEM A "FUCKING DORK" IT IS SUPER CRUDE AND PRIMITIVE THERE ARE WAYS TO SAY THINGS POLITELY
as for 9/10 i dont think so. i see lots of male gay dramas now, and lots of 'for everyone' thrillers, dramas, etc Like... Pro bono, Taxi Driver, moon river, cashero, villains, etc
and lots of "for men' like heroes next door, etc
also, if it is for men, it does not have to have all men in there, like in the military
so you want dramas for military, where everyone is male...
It seems there might be a misunderstanding about the concept of respect. Respect is about recognizing and admiring…
Honey, there is NO WAY that anyone sane could have respect for Japanese collaboration with Nazis, kamikaze, or Japanese torturesome occupation of Korea or like 50 yrs. Let us call a spade a spade.
That actor dude can sympathize with the anguish his kamikaze grandpa had to go through IF HE WAS FORCED but if that grandpa was fighting for the Nazi principles out of his own convictions, then forget it!!!!!! That actor has a Nazi grandpa!!!!!!
At best, this actor is an ignoramus, and at worst, he is some kind of superior feeling "nazi like" dude
...me coming to read the comments because i'm 30 minutes in and bored watching these men argue...
Oh.... Then you totally missed it :)
For example, those "insigniicant men who never show up again" are the BACKBONE of the entture drama... they set the CONTEXT for the whole drama, they rule that era, and thus determine options and actions of our leads..... . Those "insignificant" people created and run KCIA, make money by helping gangs sell crystal meth, gave free rein to Mr. Hwang who is a monster worthy of "most evil" badge, etc etc
For example: Those Japanese politicians were showed as total doozies... didn't you find that rather strange? did you ever think that the mighty Japanese - ... super powerful big companies...... yakuza .... etc - very smart and very cunning strategists ppl - would behave so doozey clueless? Is this making fun of corruption and putting puppets as political leaders... ? and that is how Koreans made fun of Japanese, who colonized and terrorized Korea for a veeeeery long time... "The Japanese occupation of Korea (1910-1945) was a harsh colonial period where Japan forcibly annexed Korea, seeking to assimilate its people and exploit its resources, banning Korean language and history while imposing Japanese culture, forcing labor, and using women as sexual slaves ("comfort women") until Japan's defeat in World War II led to Korea's liberation and division"
The Korean politicians arguing - for what? did you notice? - and the airforce person who really did the job but was never even mentioned, and he was so disappointed and took his uniform off - it is all commentary on Korean political situation and that whole era of 1970s and that president with his own army aka KCIA with that old building full of rooms and screams of tortured people... washboarding, beating, etc... while out on the streets, crystal meth gangs are running the entire economy and life ... and nobody and nothing is safe... the total wild west situation...
So now you have some idea what it was like to live in 1970s in S Korea....
And you think it is irrelevant???? That is all summed up in ONE sentence that Huyn Bin tells to Mr. Plankon his younger brother : THE WORLD IS RULED BY THOSE WITH MONEY AND CONNECTIONS and so HB pulls his bro into trying to climb up
and then HB goes fishing in those murky waters to make money on crystal meth... so he will be going against his employer KCIA and his boss Mr Hwang the hideous monster.... HB is a monster himself... he works in that building where torture ppl....
This is year 1970.... did normal ppl even hear about crystal meth until 1990s?.... but in the movie we have two american soldiers addicted to it ... why? because it was OFFICIALLY given to american, english, japanese and german soldiers in WW2 to keep them awake.... Why Japan? meth was invented by Japanese... check this out... https://www.history.com/articles/history-of-meth
So if you call all that irrelevant, then my dear, you missed it
YOU MISSED ALL OF THAT and this is just one tiny bit there must be a LOT more
SO YOU NEED TO CAREFULLY WATCH. THink about it as if you are watching a sci fi movie - verything is new and rather strange, and you try to figure out what is going on.... :)
young, uneducated, impatient, dumb, ... etc ... tend to think they know it all and determine what is important and what isn't.... but ... then a lot is missed.
Try to follow what is presented as it speaks volumes about time and place that you and I did not experience. I dont know how old you are and where you lived, but now we are given a chance to understand something about 1970s in Korea. Is it historically accurate? Some of it must be. Some of it probably is not :) The winner writes the history :) Another food for thought - if it existed back then... it must exist now too ....... ? for example..... meth in common prescription stimulant Adderall... "A New York Times story published in 2016 referred to millennials as “Generation Adderall,” for liberal use of the drug in young adults, with or without a prescription". Now is year 2025.... , ppl in the USA cook crystal meth at home and there is an epidemic of it.... so... where is this going....
But you dont have to think about any of this. In fact, if you consider those men "insignificant" you have automatically eliminated all thoughts about voting, governance, society, drug epidemics, thugs, corruption, etc etc etc AND YOU CAN SLEEP SOUNDLY AT NIGHT WITHOUT ANY WORRY ... until.... it hits you in your personal life.
Those dudes rake so much money bc ppl buy drugs... I have not met one american who has never tried drugs... Studies show that about 50% of usa population has lifetime use of illicit drugs
Then, those huge amounts of money from drug sales have to be laundered.... These days, often by building, usually homeowners' associations and condominium buildings, and buying them... where do you get such large amounts to buy? by corrupt lawyers and judges, who perform rigged lawsuits and condemn innocent ppl to lose their property in non judicial and judicial foreclosures... there is an EPIDEMIC of rigged non-judicial and judicial foreclosures in the USA.... The USA is living in times quite similar to the opium era of old China...
So my dear... yeah you can ignore all those "insigniicant men" arguing .... but ..... if those politicians got all that money from selling drugs together with gangsters, and secured a private army that keeps them in power by terrorizing the citizens, well then...... your ignorance is likely going to come back and bite your sweet as$... sooner or later
It has to go down badly since she is super selfish and immature. She will have to learn to love - Daniel and all…
that is selfish LOL Weakness is always selfish The first thing is to KNOW that so that you can fix it
Now for FL - she was super immature and selfish and we know that bc of how she treated her mother, blaming and hating her mother for "causing the problem" to her
...me coming to read the comments because i'm 30 minutes in and bored watching these men argue...
This is a psychological drama so those men arguing is important to see who they are and where they are "going" - ie their character and dreams and circumstances... and this is also a historical political drama.... ... so ... if you are not into that kind of stuff.... then...
I understand better some things now so I will not spill the beans. I do not want trolls to ruin it..... The drama is a cheesy cartoon but it has some super deep messages - including the "you need more than just a heart, you need cash too" lol
Just kidding.
I thank the drama crew for an enjoyable and useful watch.
Anyways, this is a waste of time and a pointless discussion bc you do not really want to exchange information and learn something, so... farewell
This drama seems to attract military types, who want to see only men acting and doing "manly things" like.... what we saw in first 2 episodes.
If women did not show up until ep 3.... sorry but i trust what i see, not what some scompi says :)
As for that "talking about other things and not men" - well ... that is one small tiny test out of a big topic...
Women can be made super small, insignificant and very stupid stereotypical even if they talk about topics other than men LOL Obviously you are not aware of that? I can rattle off fast some examples - e.g. women who talk about makeup, or neighbor gossip, or kids, or totally blunder through some more heady topic like politics mathematics or education, or just bitch around, or fight with each other, talk badly about each other, etc etc etc etc.... Ah.... so many ways to put women down.... ... Also, indirectly - women showed preening to make themselves more desirable, etc.
It is not a problem to see a drama like MIK bc these military-like environment and such other ones - like physical laborers or thugs stealing ocean-floor pottery - are male dominated indeed.
The problem imo is that we have a barrage of such dramas, and often with bleak villainish favor, from this particular studio . Why?
and.... for a change... the ML is dumb, naive, greedy and selfish.... under the slipper....still like that In ep 5 and there are only 8 episodes. His girlfriend is no better... very materialistic... at least smart... and they do not communicate!!!!!! they are very materialistic brain dead consumers, a match made in hell.....
ok by ep 6 we see he is finally working for the good but still....
this is interesting .... like superman... a very ordinary mediocre person has superpowers..
so i wonder .. what am i watching actually... ??. there is no redemption arc here, no character growth..... it is ... well... very .... strange. What kind of values is this trying to promote and which audience is it targeting?
Yet another super shallow drama.... how bad are the messages.... ? I will watch till the end to find out. It smells super fishy
Written after ep 8: he and his lady change towards the end, and they are a great team.
I understand better some things now so I will not spill the beans. The drama is a cheesy cartoon but it has some deep messages and I do not want trolls to ruin it.
FL was super selfish and immature in how she treated her mother during the events leading to the accident and 7 years after, to the day her mother died
FL was like a nasty spoiled gimme me child
go through the comments and you will see soooo many comments mentioning that
THERE ARE WAYS TO SAY THINGS POLITELY
as for 9/10 i dont think so. i see lots of male gay dramas now, and lots of 'for everyone' thrillers, dramas, etc Like... Pro bono, Taxi Driver, moon river, cashero, villains, etc
and lots of "for men' like heroes next door, etc
also, if it is for men, it does not have to have all men in there, like in the military
so you want dramas for military, where everyone is male...
NO WAY, DUDE. WHAT IS BAD, IS BAD, AND THERE CAN BE NO RESPECT WHATSOEVER FOR EVIL
JAPAN WAS ON THE SIDE OF NACISM IN WW2
JAPAN DID TREMENDOUS ATROCITIES IN PLACES THEY OCCUPIED, BEFORE AND DURING WW2
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE, NO RESPECT, NO SYMPATHY, NOTHING FAVORABLE TOWARDS THAT
IT IS JUST GRIEF SADNESS ANGER AND DETERMINATION TO NEVER EVER EVER HAVE EVEN A TRACE OF THAT ANYWHERE
AND YET THERE ARE SYRIA, PALESTINE, ZILLION AFRICAN AND S AMERICAN COUNTRIES.
AND YES 2 NUCLEAR BOMBS ON JAPAN
AND DEPLETED URANIUM IN BALKANS
ETC
AND A LOT MORE - THE 6TH MASS EXTINCTION OF SPECIES, ETC ETC
AND ALL BC PPL WANT TO SWEEP THINGS UNDER THE RUG
***** DO NOT EVER SWEEP THINGS UNDER THE RUG *****
That actor dude can sympathize with the anguish his kamikaze grandpa had to go through IF HE WAS FORCED but if that grandpa was fighting for the Nazi principles out of his own convictions, then forget it!!!!!! That actor has a Nazi grandpa!!!!!!
At best, this actor is an ignoramus, and at worst, he is some kind of superior feeling "nazi like" dude
SO let us hope he is just an ignoramus
For example, those "insigniicant men who never show up again" are the BACKBONE of the entture drama... they set the CONTEXT for the whole drama, they rule that era, and thus determine options and actions of our leads..... . Those "insignificant" people created and run KCIA, make money by helping gangs sell crystal meth, gave free rein to Mr. Hwang who is a monster worthy of "most evil" badge, etc etc
For example: Those Japanese politicians were showed as total doozies... didn't you find that rather strange? did you ever think that the mighty Japanese - ... super powerful big companies...... yakuza .... etc - very smart and very cunning strategists ppl - would behave so doozey clueless? Is this making fun of corruption and putting puppets as political leaders... ?
and that is how Koreans made fun of Japanese, who colonized and terrorized Korea for a veeeeery long time...
"The Japanese occupation of Korea (1910-1945) was a harsh colonial period where Japan forcibly annexed Korea, seeking to assimilate its people and exploit its resources, banning Korean language and history while imposing Japanese culture, forcing labor, and using women as sexual slaves ("comfort women") until Japan's defeat in World War II led to Korea's liberation and division"
The Korean politicians arguing - for what? did you notice? - and the airforce person who really did the job but was never even mentioned, and he was so disappointed and took his uniform off - it is all commentary on Korean political situation and that whole era of 1970s and that president with his own army aka KCIA with that old building full of rooms and screams of tortured people... washboarding, beating, etc... while out on the streets, crystal meth gangs are running the entire economy and life ... and nobody and nothing is safe... the total wild west situation...
So now you have some idea what it was like to live in 1970s in S Korea....
And you think it is irrelevant???? That is all summed up in ONE sentence that Huyn Bin tells to Mr. Plankon his younger brother : THE WORLD IS RULED BY THOSE WITH MONEY AND CONNECTIONS and so HB pulls his bro into trying to climb up
and then HB goes fishing in those murky waters to make money on crystal meth... so he will be going against his employer KCIA and his boss Mr Hwang the hideous monster....
HB is a monster himself... he works in that building where torture ppl....
This is year 1970.... did normal ppl even hear about crystal meth until 1990s?.... but in the movie we have two american soldiers addicted to it ... why? because it was OFFICIALLY given to american, english, japanese and german soldiers in WW2 to keep them awake.... Why Japan? meth was invented by Japanese...
check this out... https://www.history.com/articles/history-of-meth
So if you call all that irrelevant, then my dear, you missed it
YOU MISSED ALL OF THAT
and this is just one tiny bit
there must be a LOT more
SO YOU NEED TO CAREFULLY WATCH. THink about it as if you are watching a sci fi movie - verything is new and rather strange, and you try to figure out what is going on.... :)
young, uneducated, impatient, dumb, ... etc ... tend to think they know it all and determine what is important and what isn't.... but ... then a lot is missed.
Try to follow what is presented as it speaks volumes about time and place that you and I did not experience. I dont know how old you are and where you lived, but now we are given a chance to understand something about 1970s in Korea. Is it historically accurate? Some of it must be. Some of it probably is not :) The winner writes the history :) Another food for thought - if it existed back then... it must exist now too ....... ? for example..... meth in common prescription stimulant Adderall... "A New York Times story published in 2016 referred to millennials as “Generation Adderall,” for liberal use of the drug in young adults, with or without a prescription". Now is year 2025.... , ppl in the USA cook crystal meth at home and there is an epidemic of it.... so... where is this going....
But you dont have to think about any of this. In fact, if you consider those men "insignificant" you have automatically eliminated all thoughts about voting, governance, society, drug epidemics, thugs, corruption, etc etc etc AND YOU CAN SLEEP SOUNDLY AT NIGHT WITHOUT ANY WORRY ... until.... it hits you in your personal life.
Those dudes rake so much money bc ppl buy drugs... I have not met one american who has never tried drugs... Studies show that about 50% of usa population has lifetime use of illicit drugs
Then, those huge amounts of money from drug sales have to be laundered.... These days, often by building, usually homeowners' associations and condominium buildings, and buying them... where do you get such large amounts to buy? by corrupt lawyers and judges, who perform rigged lawsuits and condemn innocent ppl to lose their property in non judicial and judicial foreclosures... there is an EPIDEMIC of rigged non-judicial and judicial foreclosures in the USA.... The USA is living in times quite similar to the opium era of old China...
So my dear... yeah you can ignore all those "insigniicant men" arguing .... but ..... if those politicians got all that money from selling drugs together with gangsters, and secured a private army that keeps them in power by terrorizing the citizens, well then...... your ignorance is likely going to come back and bite your sweet as$... sooner or later
The first thing is to KNOW that so that you can fix it
Now for FL - she was super immature and selfish and we know that bc of how she treated her mother, blaming and hating her mother for "causing the problem" to her