I normally prefer watching costume C-drama than K-Drama, but BAYM without question is the most exciting drama…
Costume c dramas have only costumes :) imo kdramas have better plot. I heard from one user that kdramas lack in fatasy but I dont think so... I think ML has become famous after this drama. Before this... well... not much seems like
Imo *******The REAL sb is JH's dinosaur John Wayne father and the passive slave mother, and also EH's weak sexist…
EH was in the cafe first. And she has the right to protect her broken heart and never see him again. She is dumping him now :) just like he dumped her earlier... . And, he should rent an office, he is expanding. Also, I agree with @Padakiki that the audience here is super sexist and blaming EH for all kinds of things - she is mean, clingy, etc etc etc She is an immature young girl who fell for a wrong guy and had her heart crushed. So she is not feeling good about that and yeah, she CAN kick him out of hersight :) Also, she is a victim of sexism and parental brainwashing and believes she has to take care of her terrible mother and her criminal brother - so she too, is prostituting for money TO GIVE TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO COULD CARE LESS ABOUT HER.
JH is immature too. His thinking he can marry for money - is stupid. He never reflected on that. But after we saw how he was treated by his family, we see he wanted to make that money for HIMSELF because he was abused all those years.
So both EH and JH exhibit severe consequences of sexism done to them. She feels like he should slave her life away for the sake of her family, and he feels like he should elbow up to grease up his own butt since he feels entitled to it and his family never provided.
JH is better than before..... Also, he never was a total sb because he helped EH and he tried to help his family too.
Imo *******The REAL sb is JH's dinosaur John Wayne father and the passive slave mother, and also EH's weak sexist…
Exactly. This is the idea: After politely hearing each others' opinions, expressed in a way that shows our arguments with evidence, we can still disagree from 0-100%. We can choose to drop further discussion on this topic, or even to block each other if we really believe our values are irreconcilable. Ideally, we continue to talk and discuss on other topics at least. That is what a discussion is all about.
bc he is being a good friend and helping his best friend's little sister. But he is NOT a good friend since he…
That's why I always said that 2ML is weak and a coward, he lacks the spine to talk things through and honestly. For example: He had a crush on EH for 6 yrs and never acted on it. He never had the spine to nail down JH to make JG admit and say yay or nay, I want EH or not. 2ML let JH manipulate him and EH for 6 years.... 2ML needs to learn to stand up for himself and to keep things clear.
She annoyed me even before that. I know by now how my husband feels about his mom and I'm still trying to mend…
Yeah she kept ordering him around and doing things behind his back... Like telling him - go sleep now - and she leaves and he sleeps!!!!! .......... she tells him go to your job and pick me up later (and no bodyguards for how many hours???) .... investigating his old house and mom and going there - why didnt she just ask him?? .... and why never told him she was pregnant?? I got really red flagged when she destroyed the pots she could not color properly in like ep 1... she is a psycho... and he instantly jumped in to 'save her' and he keeps taking care of her.... like she is his mom or child ...
Wife was sharing more with her best friend than her husband... she never trusted him and treated him like .... I dont know how to describe it..... Like a small child she cannot trust?
Villain FLs (and protagonists) exist in all forms of media and always have. They usually remain evil for the entirety…
Yes... Iam afraid Woman Who Swallowed the Sun has crossed and is irredemanble. In this drama, Sweet Husband of "bad mom" probably jailed her ex husband and called the WTOD. ... or something like that... Just to call her to leave her husband and LEAVE her daughter behind is already evil :)
Yeah you saw the very trashy beginning where he started :) He got a lot of work to do on himself :) He will start…
33 is very young :) Ppl change until they die... I am not sure if you got to watch the episodes where karma boomerang hits JH and brings him down on his knees :) He does start changing. And I am not sure why you fail to mention all the times he acts kindly and considerately? Why be so biased? Yeah JH is immature and crude but he is slooowly getting transformed
I would agree with you if she somehow stopped them, removed them or in the worst case, just killed them if she…
With all due respect... I disagree. I think she killed monsters, true, but the way she did it, made HER into a monster. She tortured ppl to kill them. That is completely unjustified. No matter how "good" a thing you are trying to do, you must NEVER do anything evil to accomplish it. Taking people's lives in torture is evil. I belive she should have found a better way to administer justice. This is my opinion and I stick to it. So let's not discuss this anymore if you cannot see it. Bye.
I just saw end of ep 79 and start of 80. So bozo Lucia could not say something like - "and to prove how great…
Yeah. There are so many amazing actors and actresses. But they also make a living from this and script writer and producer may not risk irritating the audience too much. It is a very delicate line, walking on that razor's edge... And many script writers try to walk that line. There are LOTS of hints in many dramas... Slooowly..... maybe it will change.
Realize that this is how many thousands of years as keeping women as essentially slaves, so that men as 50% of world population can control 100% of world resources. That entitlement is NOT going to disappear soon. Women are essentially competition for resources. If women are equal, then men have less :) Entitled males are not gonna give it up so soon... and women who profited from the old status quo are not giving it up either :) being pretty and dumb and hooking into a male who will do all the work for you....then just manipulating him or pretending you are dumb and just going along.... is too temptingly easy.... WOMEN propagating patriarchy is the hard part to swallow...
in this drama , so far 16 ep. , is like we have 2 parts .. 1st part is jihyeok and his family economical situations…
I agree with you... EH is raised to bow down to sexism and her role as a cash cow slave, so she prostitutes for money to serve OTHER people who could care less for her, and JH is also raised in sexism, to feel entitled to make up in any way for what his family did NOT give him, so he prostitutes for money to serve HIMSELF. Being raised as sexism era dinosaurs, will they be able to transform and grow into something else?
As long as i know, jung ilwoo is still jung ilwoo, a wellknown actor in korea. I think he accepts this drama because…
Wow how sad that ppl are so stuck in mediocrity.... . I think this is a great great drama. There are so many new concepts in it. I love JH's role. He is not a stale old version of ML, and also EH is different than all other FLs. I am glad JH actor accepted this. He is a really great actor. I didnt know that, I never saw him before, this is the first time, and I saw how great he is at acting. he makes this drama so good and is a total star here. Also, 2ML is a great actor too, and honestly, I think also actors that act the ML's brother and sister, and 2ML's sister. There are really good actors!!!!! So how can anyone criticize this drama, is beyond me...
I'm not a fan of ML becoming the FL's stalker. FL's reasoning for working for the ML to earn money for her family,…
JH loves EH and he is not aware of it. He is NOT stalking her, he is trying to protect her on her way home late at night in the dark. He is following her as a bodyguard concerned for her safety. EH had office there first and she has the right to dump him :) He is expanding, he should rent office somewhere anyways
I have seen Till ep 4 but ml lead is trash … A bad person ! A bad child ! A bad friend! a selfish person ! sb…
Yeah you saw the very trashy beginning where he started :) He got a lot of work to do on himself :) He will start changing in later episodes :) And by ep 15 he is already doing it. How far he will get .... we will see
Exactly nothing happened in Ep 15. In Gracious Revenge more happened in 5 epiosdes then what happened in 15 epsiode…
Wow I so disagree. A lot happened.... internally and in terms of feelings and relationships, .... and also in terms of actions, like becoming partners I cannot even begin to enumerate if you cannot see it... ! Like... EH witnessing her mother crying and EH herself wanting to protect the little darling from working LOL and then EH going to prostitute for money to pay for those two ppl who could care less about her... Then JH chasing her and being jealous... 2ML helping ML's sister who is going deeper into trouble.... How did you miss all that? These are MAJOR events ...
It's hard to understand the relationship between Eunoh's mom and Gangoh. Both of them are frustrating to watch.Also…
I have lived all my life in EH's situation kinda LOL in utmost sexism so I can instantly recognize it - EH's mom is sexist, it is male child, plus it is "her" child, so mom is coddling him out of her own egotism and societal brainwashing. Mom is dumb, immature and blind, 100%. Her son reflects how she ran the family
I heard from one user that kdramas lack in fatasy but I dont think so...
I think ML has become famous after this drama. Before this... well... not much seems like
Also, I agree with @Padakiki that the audience here is super sexist and blaming EH for all kinds of things - she is mean, clingy, etc etc etc
She is an immature young girl who fell for a wrong guy and had her heart crushed. So she is not feeling good about that and yeah, she CAN kick him out of hersight :) Also, she is a victim of sexism and parental brainwashing and believes she has to take care of her terrible mother and her criminal brother - so she too, is prostituting for money TO GIVE TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO COULD CARE LESS ABOUT HER.
JH is immature too. His thinking he can marry for money - is stupid. He never reflected on that. But after we saw how he was treated by his family, we see he wanted to make that money for HIMSELF because he was abused all those years.
So both EH and JH exhibit severe consequences of sexism done to them. She feels like he should slave her life away for the sake of her family, and he feels like he should elbow up to grease up his own butt since he feels entitled to it and his family never provided.
JH is better than before..... Also, he never was a total sb because he helped EH and he tried to help his family too.
We can choose to drop further discussion on this topic, or even to block each other if we really believe our values are irreconcilable.
Ideally, we continue to talk and discuss on other topics at least. That is what a discussion is all about.
For example: He had a crush on EH for 6 yrs and never acted on it. He never had the spine to nail down JH to make JG admit and say yay or nay, I want EH or not.
2ML let JH manipulate him and EH for 6 years.... 2ML needs to learn to stand up for himself and to keep things clear.
I got really red flagged when she destroyed the pots she could not color properly in like ep 1... she is a psycho... and he instantly jumped in to 'save her'
and he keeps taking care of her.... like she is his mom or child ...
Wife was sharing more with her best friend than her husband... she never trusted him and treated him like .... I dont know how to describe it..... Like a small child she cannot trust?
In this drama, Sweet Husband of "bad mom" probably jailed her ex husband and called the WTOD. ... or something like that... Just to call her to leave her husband and LEAVE her daughter behind is already evil :)
No matter how "good" a thing you are trying to do, you must NEVER do anything evil to accomplish it. Taking people's lives in torture is evil.
I belive she should have found a better way to administer justice.
This is my opinion and I stick to it. So let's not discuss this anymore if you cannot see it. Bye.
And many script writers try to walk that line. There are LOTS of hints in many dramas... Slooowly..... maybe it will change.
Realize that this is how many thousands of years as keeping women as essentially slaves, so that men as 50% of world population can control 100% of world resources. That entitlement is NOT going to disappear soon.
Women are essentially competition for resources. If women are equal, then men have less :) Entitled males are not gonna give it up so soon... and women who profited from the old status quo are not giving it up either :) being pretty and dumb and hooking into a male who will do all the work for you....then just manipulating him or pretending you are dumb and just going along.... is too temptingly easy.... WOMEN propagating patriarchy is the hard part to swallow...
and JH is also raised in sexism, to feel entitled to make up in any way for what his family did NOT give him, so he prostitutes for money to serve HIMSELF.
Being raised as sexism era dinosaurs, will they be able to transform and grow into something else?
I think this is a great great drama. There are so many new concepts in it. I love JH's role. He is not a stale old version of ML, and also EH is different than all other FLs.
I am glad JH actor accepted this. He is a really great actor. I didnt know that, I never saw him before, this is the first time, and I saw how great he is at acting. he makes this drama so good and is a total star here. Also, 2ML is a great actor too, and honestly, I think also actors that act the ML's brother and sister, and 2ML's sister. There are really good actors!!!!!
So how can anyone criticize this drama, is beyond me...
EH had office there first and she has the right to dump him :) He is expanding, he should rent office somewhere anyways
He will start changing in later episodes :) And by ep 15 he is already doing it. How far he will get .... we will see
I cannot even begin to enumerate if you cannot see it... ! Like... EH witnessing her mother crying and EH herself wanting to protect the little darling from working LOL and then EH going to prostitute for money to pay for those two ppl who could care less about her... Then JH chasing her and being jealous... 2ML helping ML's sister who is going deeper into trouble....
How did you miss all that? These are MAJOR events ...