Knavery

I made it to episode 85 but the constant cycle of the same characters hiding secret after secret from each other got tiring. The 'bad guys' (they're not really that bad) doing the same things over and over and nobody catching on her acting differently was also disappointing.

I really liked Dan Ah. She was broken to start the show and she slowly opened up. There were definitely some things I didn't like (the slapping, watch the whole show, it wasn't just one character) but overall I liked the show. The other main characters offered decent contrasts to each other and were different personality wise.

Thanks for the Family's Honor recommendation. It seems fun from what I've watched so far. The leads all seem to have different personalities.

I just can't get into it when so many characters switch out. I had the same problem with that British show with teenagers who developed superpowers. They just swapped out characters and it didn't feel the same.

Oh the dude is the fox. Well, that will be a change of pace. Could be interesting. I swear every "Gumiho" show I've seen involves a woman as the fox. The only maybe exception I can think of is Gu Family Book but I forget if he was a fox or was it more of a 'mythical creature' that was not as well defined.

I'm glad the drama is finally starting for me at least. I hope they don't reference him becoming 'better than normal' but the episode descriptions seem like they will. First time I've seen "savant" in a long time. IDK I'm still not sure how this gets to 100 episodes but at least he's not mentally disabled.

The last two episodes were a great resolution but that middle/back half it felt like it was going in circles. It wasn't terrible by any means but I wasn't as hooked as I was for the first half or last 2 episodes.

I'll be honest. I see a lot of people (probably women) talking about how others only like the second male lead because he's sexier. I don't care about that, I'm not romantically or sexually attracted to men.

Sure, the second male lead is a pretty boy but Xiao Song is good looking in a more masculine way.

My problem is she's falling for the second male lead over the first 20 episodes and then it's like the flip of a switch to Xiao Song. The second male lead doesn't even reject her. He wants to marry her.

They needed to do a better job of showing her growing feelings for Xiao Song and they failed big time. Maybe they thought "oh a near death experience for Xiao Song will make her realize her feelings and her teasing was actually because she had a crush on him". This fell flat. Because she was interacting with Su Fu in much more 'explicit' ways and romantically involved with him at the same time. Plus Xiao Song came off as a controlling bully with an obsession so he doesn't even look like a good fit next to Su Fu.

They needed to show us Ran Yan liked Xiao Song back. There were too many scenes with Su Fu. That's why it was unconvincing to me. It wasn't because I like Su Fu and dislike Xiao Song because the actor who plays Su Fu is a pretty boy. It was because they provided us no reasonable explanation for her to suddenly change her feelings towards Xiao Song.

I enjoyed it. Kind of dragged a bit in the back half but an OK resolution to finish out the show.

I laughed when I saw NEET. I never really picture a girl being a NEET until now. I always thought of the guy playing too much video games in his parent's basement with no plan for the future. I came close at one point.

I don't really have a problem with it. Same goes for women. I think there needs to be protections put in place so actors and actresses don't feel pressured and a scene like this isn't suddenly sprung on them midway through filming... and the scene is highlighted in the script when they are recruiting/hiring so nobody is blindsided but I don't have an issue with sexuality in a show or movie.

I think it's a little bit much to expect them to be comfortable through the whole show and never have an uncomfortable moment. I'm sure these moments could be extended to on screen kisses, weird poses, grabs, etc... and not just shirtless scenes.

Lots of jobs have uncomfortable tasks people have to do in order to remain employed.

I don't think the scenes need to go away just like I don't think nudity needs to go away in Western TV. But I do think there needs to be more structural protection in place like I said up above. I think Western TV is doing a lot more of this with "intimacy experts" who stay on set and make sure nothing wrong happens and things stay professional despite the nudity or whatever else.

I'm kind of rambling. I'm a straight man so I don't really get any thrill or pleasure when a guy with abs shows up on screen but I don't mind someone else who would.

That being said as far as the talk show stuff... I never watch that stuff but if what is described in the article is accurate with the "pull up your shirt and show us" and the grabbing... that is something that should change. It's unscripted, unprompted and unfair to anyone on the receiving end. Someone being nude or shirtless on TV does not give you license to do whatever you want to them. To me that's the culture needing to mature though (and most cultures sex and sexuality is taboo so a lot of work needs to be done).

I'm also not a big fan of calling what we see here objectification. People are sexual beings. The key here is that finding something sexually desirable doesn't eventually lead to objectification. I don't think that seeing a shirtless scene or even a nude scene and going "wow that guy is hot" or "wow that woman is sexy" is objectification.

To me objectification is the example in the article - you see a shirtless man with abs and then when you meet him in person all it's about is his abs, asking him about them, touching them, etc... So you know someone is attractive, you think they are attractive and that's all they are. It's when you don't respect them as a person, don't respect their boundaries, their thoughts and views. That's objectification. That's what the people on these talk shows do if what I read in the original post is correct.

Removing these scenes, removing nudity on TV doesn't solve objectification. It just hides it. The culture is what has to change. Respect for others is what has to change.

It's like a melodrama that goes 100 episodes (except this one runs for 16 episodes at 1 hour each). It's light, nothing too dark or edgy. It's innocent, a mid to late 2000s drama.
I liked it but if you take into consideration what was written above, I can see why it has a low rating.

Honestly? It's messy and floundering. The guy really needs to stop being mentally disabled and we need to start seeing a bigger over-arching plot.

Because all I'm seeing right now is stuff that could fit in a typical 16 episode KDrama and still feel like it was too long at 16 episodes. I'm not saying it reminds me of a typical Kdrama. I'm saying there's a clear lack of content right now. Is this really it? These are the foundations for the next 90 (give or take) episodes? Yu Ra doesn't seem like a sustainable "villain" for this show.

It's going a million miles an hour, it's messy, floundering, the setup was way too short in part by virtue of the main character being mentally disabled - again, when does this get magically cured? I started the show dreading the explanation they would come up with but if they CGIed aliens flying down from space and waving a wand and curing him so it can move the story along and we can get to a bigger and better plot - I would be fine with that.

That was super disappointing. I am watching in part because that relationship dynamic is so good and if they're going to tear that apart and create drama there I'm probably going to drop.

I'm not really against the twist but I guess I'm just not a fan of the twist being a surprised to the characters involved. Have them know from the get-go and surprise other characters. Or don't have the twist at all.

Are the subs machine translated or done professionally so it makes sense?

The summary has me a little confused. I see on Kocowa the male lead has the mind of a 7 year old? He won't be involved in any of the romance will he?

I just wasn't that impressed with the bad guy. The plot was stalled for the majority of the show. It's not bad by any means but I would recommend other fantasy/wuxia stuff before this.

It's a super frustrating way to end a TV show. I know people are hoping for season 2 but 4 years later when a lead character has the person playing it change... it's just not going to feel like season 2.

Liked the start, the first half was good. The back half of the episodes slowly started to lose interest. Wasn't a fan of the Jiang Wu character. It felt like they made characters powerful and then didn't know what to do with them... so it was a circle of "and suddenly X character is much stronger than everyone else and that other strong character we said was strong is now weak". I mean OK they sprinkled in explanations but it felt like the writers and directors violated the rules of the universe they created over and over and over.

The ending was a little confusing. The last 6 episodes contained way too many flashbacks, unconscious mind/universe scenes, etc... and they would just cut to these scenes instantly without context.

I guess bittersweet is the way to describe it?

I mean the plot is ridiculous. The resolution is underwhelming. I liked the characters. It's a short web series. All in all it's watchable and there are worse ways to spend 2 hours. The writers of this show really need to come up with clearer endings. All sorts of hints and innuendo about the cure for Wan Jun but it was still unclear to me. If they had one more episode to show it resolved I would have appreciated the drama much more.