How it wasnât her fault? it was her fault to brag about her family. She showed proudness of them. No one forced…
I think we are actually mostly on the same page about the other points, especially that this controversy can affect her career and that people may choose not to support her. The main thing im arguing right now is specifically whether she actually deserves criticism for her own behaviour when she apparently didnt know the darker history. And there is another thing you are overlooking. Her parents are doctors, her sister is a doctor, and her mother is also a doctor and has also apparently built a business. If your immediate family has spent years succeeding in their respective careers, why wouldnt you feel proud of that? you naturally grow up thinking âMy family is successful, my family is amazing.â if the information about your great grandfather that was passed down to you was that he was an important doctor and an early western medicine practitioner, while the darker history was never told to you, youre obviously going to repeat the version of your family history you were taught. Youre not realistically going to sit there and interrogate your own parents about whether every story they have told you has a hidden criminal history. Thats why I keep asking what exactly in her own behaviour is supposed to deserve criticism. If she knowingly praised him after knowing what he did, thats criticism worthy. But if she genuinely didnt know and was simply proud of her familys medical background based on what she had been told, then what exactly did she do wrong? Being proud of your family isnt inherently wrong just because you later discover something ugly about an ancestor. And yes, she will still get criticized regardless. knetizens criticize celebrities over dating, liking another idols post, friendships, old comments, basically anything that can be turned into a controversy, so obviously this situation is going to attract backlash. But that proves my point rather than yours, âpeople will criticize herâ tells us what the public reaction might be, and not whether she actually deserves that criticism. Im not arguing that nobody is allowed to stop supporting her. Obviously people can support whoever they want. Im arguing that theres a difference between understanding why people are angry and saying ha young herself did something deserving of that anger. If she knowingly promoted or defended her great grandfather after learning the truth, criticize her. But if she genuinely didnt know, then being born into that family isnt a moral failing. And if you still think she deserves criticism despite all of that then please tell me specifically where her own fault lies. what exactly did she do wrong? was it being proud of her family? Was it answering a question about her great grandfather based on the information she had been given? or is she supposed to be responsible simply because she was born into that family? Because if she genuinely didnt know the darker history, I still don't see what behaviour of hers is actually deserving of criticism .
How it wasnât her fault? it was her fault to brag about her family. She showed proudness of them. No one forced…
Tbh I think youre the one conflating things, not me. She was asked and the topic was discussed, and at that time she didnt know the darker history and was simply proud of her family being doctors. And honestly, why wouldnt she be? Most people would be proud of coming from a family with 4 generations of doctors. Especially when she had no reason to believe there was something horrible behind that family history. We already know people like jang dongwon and lee jiah have faced backlash over having Chinilpa ancestors, so its not like she had no idea that this could become a sensitive topic. If she knew the truth, why would she willingly keep bringing it up during her breakthrough? My argument was never that the show host was trying to sabotage ha young. She had already talked about coming from a family of doctors in a show during The Trauma Code, where celebrities basically show their daily routine, lifestyle and background, so thats how people found out about her 4generation medical family. The hosts of the later interviews already knew that part of her background, so obviously they could pick it up as something to ask her about,that doesnt mean she or her agency deliberately chose to promote her great grandfather. And during our sticky love promotions, she talked about her family more than once, including the netflix interview and another interview with hae in. Even if we assume she knew beforehand what kind of questions she might get, that still doesnt prove that she knew the darker history of her great grandfather, when the interviewer asked about him, she simply replied that she heard he was one of the first to open a western medicine clinic in hanyang. Thats not her sitting there and randomly boasting about her great grandfather. She was answering a question about something she genuinely believed was a positive part of her family history. If she actually knew the reality behind him, then why would she voluntarily walk straight into that topic during the biggest breakthrough of her career? That makes no sense. Youre treating âthey were descendants and became successful doctorsâ as proof that they benefited from his alleged activities, when thats still an assumption, her family having multiple generations of doctors is not automatically evidencee that their wealth came from her great grandfather, doctors can build substantial wealth through their own careers, especially when you have multiple generations working as doctors over decades. And abt that her great grandfather was an early western medicine practitioner, that doesnt prove that the later generations became doctors because of his alleged collaboration or were financially supported by it. It could simply explain where the familys medical tradition started. If youre claiming there was a material benefit from his actions, then show the actual connection , inherited property, money, businesses, documented advantages, whatever it actually was. âhe was successful, then his descendants became successful doctorsâ isnt the same thing as proving the success came from his wrongdoing. And no, asking for evidence isnt being "unreasonable." Youre the one making the claim that there was a financial or material connection, so the burden isnt suddenly on me to prove a negative. "maybe they benefited" can be a reasonable possibility, "they obviously benefited" is a factual claim and that needs something more than a hypothetical robber baron analogy ,your analogy doesnt establish what actually happened in this family, it just gives you a hypothetical that conveniently supports your conclusion. If evidence eventually shows that her family actually inherited wealth or other advantages from his actions, I'll have no problem acknowledging it. And tbh that will also not be actual hayoung fault , But until then, calling the connection "obvious" doesnt make it established. It just makes the assumption sound more confident. And the whole "why support her over a more humble actress?" argument is honestly irrelevant, We are talking about whether she knowingly did something wrong not running a morality contest between actresses based on how humble you personally think they are. If she knowingly promoted or defended her great-grandfather after knowing the truth, then criticizing her would be fair . But if she genuinely didnt know, then her being born into that family doesnt suddenly become a character flaw. you can't turn "I dont like how she talked about her family" into "therefore another actress deserves her career." That's a completely different argument.
How it wasnât her fault? it was her fault to brag about her family. She showed proudness of them. No one forced…
You are making a lot of assumptions here and treating them like established facts, so letts separate them. First saying the interview was "probably prearranged by her/agency" is speculation unless you actually know how that interview was prepared. The fact that she talked about her family before doesnt prove that she knew the full history of her great grandfather , we already know how many people face backlash if any of their ancestors are chinilpa , talking proudly about your family being doctors isnt automatically the same as "boasting about a criminal " she was clearly proud of the medical history she believed she knew. Her own apology says she only knew limited family stories and later learned about the darker history. The wealth argument is where you're making the biggest leap, korea being poor, her great grandfather being a successful doctor and later generations becoming doctors does not automatically prove that their wealth and opportunities came from his alleged collaboration. Thats a possible connection not an established one And lets say her family did benefit from this but how can you call this her fault , her fault wwas that she was born in this family ? Or that her family didnt told everything about her great grandad ? But till then If youre saying she directly benefited from his activities then show the actual connection like property, money, inheritance, or some documented advantage that came from those activities and was passed down to the family "her descendants became successful doctors" isnt evidence of where that success came from. And I'm not even saying she definitely didnt benefit. I'm saying we don't currently know that she did. Maybe that connection exists and more evidence comes out, maybe it doesnt. You cant turn "possibly" into "obviously". Same thing with her knowledge. She has already said that she was fed only fragments of info of her great grandad and she wouldnt just go question what her own family said like if my dad said my great grandfather held a high position in police department now should I now start investigating did he take bribes or was he a good man ? Ofcourse you gonna trust your fathers words Honestly at this point it kind of feels like you personally want this woman to doom. Every gap in the evidence somehow gets filled with the interpretation that makes her look the worst. If actual evidence comes out that showing she knowingly promoted his legacy then thats a different conversation, until then youre building a pretty serious accusation out of a lot of "probably," "likely," and "therefore."
How it wasnât her fault? it was her fault to brag about her family. She showed proudness of them. No one forced…
Yeah thats basically what I meant. I was just saying that if it somehow turns out that her family really did benefit from whatever her great grandfather did then I can understand why people would feel frustrated about that, but even then, I still don't think Ha Young herself did anything wrong. She didn't choose the family she was born into or what her great grandfather did, so I also dont think she should be blamed for it.
How it wasnât her fault? it was her fault to brag about her family. She showed proudness of them. No one forced…
I get your point , But I still dont think its fair to say she "boasted about her criminal grandfather. From what we've seen, the interviewer was the one who brought up that she came from a family of doctors and that her great grandfather was an early Western medicine practitioner. She was answering with pride but that's very different from her randomly bringing him up to brag about her family or knowingly bragging about a criminal. If you watch the interview, she wasnt going around saying "btw my great-grandfather was amazing." The topic was brought to her and she agreed proudly because that's the family history she believed she knew and about her benefiting from his criminality I think that's another assumption that needs evidencec we know her family has multiple generations of doctors, but I havent seen evidence showing that her familys present day wealth or opportunities came from wealth or property obtained through her great grandfather's alleged activities. If there is evidence that property or money from him was passed down and materially benefited the family, then that's obviously relevant but without establishing that connection saying she directly benefited from his criminality is jumping ahead of the evidence. But if the allegations are true and it turns out she and her family really did benefit from her great grandfathers actions then I can understand why people would be frustrated about that but right now I don't think thats something we can just assume without evidence.
How it wasnât her fault? it was her fault to brag about her family. She showed proudness of them. No one forced…
I agree that as an adult and public figure she had some responsibility to be more careful abt what shew said publicly , and she acknowledged that herself in her apology which was posted couple of hours back .But i dont think its fair to call her "boasting abt a criminal " when there is no indication she knew abt his darker history at the time . from what she said in her apology , she only knew what her family had told her abt him being a doctor and some other things , so naturally she would feel proud talking abt that . If her family genuinely never told her the full history then how was she supposed to know what she was supposedly "boasting" about ? When her family told her about him she wouldnt just think " lemme just check if he was a good person or not" , that doesnt seem normal . Well at last she didnt choose her great grandfather and she shouldnt be held responsible forwhat he did generations before she was born , to ssay the least you can argue that her family should have been more careful and should have told her the full story .
How it wasnât her fault? it was her fault to brag about her family. She showed proudness of them. No one forced…
Tbh her situation seems quite pitiful coz I don't think she was bragging in the way many Knetz are saying, If you watch those interviews carefully she was mostly just agreeing to what the interviewer was saying. She was agreeing proudly, yes ,but as someone who also comes from a family of doctors with my father, mother and older sister all being doctors, I can understand why she would feel proud of that family history. As for her great-grandfather, it seems she simply wasn't properly informed about his full history I don't think her father would just tell her "Your great-grandfather was actually a traitor." She probably grew up knowing only the positive version of his history. It just seems sad that she finally got her first major leading role, the drama is doing well, and it's also her birthday, yet instead of celebrating her success she's caught up in this controversy
How it wasnât her fault? it was her fault to brag about her family. She showed proudness of them. No one forced…
Being proud of your family isn't same as endorsing every action of an ancestor . if she personally supported or defended what her great grandfather did then critisize that, but she only said that she heard that her great grandfather was also a doctor and probably first to open western medicine in hangyang , to which interviewer said "that's amazing" . it's just her telling what she heard about her great Grandfather to which knetz started saying that she was bragging and at last her family being 4 generation doctors were also asked from interviewer not that she started spewing fun facts about her family .
Happy birthday!!!! đđđ, I hope this ongoing controversy doesn't hurt her future projects and casting opportunities . Its sad that she has to face criticism on her birthday where it was not even her fault
You'd better not watch this seasonâit's terrible.
danm this season is also waste then ,HS korea is going in continuous downfall , the only season which was worth watching was HS 2 korea HS china is doing pretty danm good , there season 6 is my fav in asain dating reality shows
I have re-watced this drama 5 times now The first time i watched this was when it was released 6-7 years ago now danm Cinematography is flippin great Chemistry is top notch Ik people from the time of its airing had problem with cheating but it's kind of a realistic drama and her boyfriend was also came out to be a flawed character so at end it's all fine 10/10 đ
ik they don't get together till late in series but for all 30 eps are they enemies and then suddenly become lovers ? or did they had chemistry all throughout the drama ?
And there is another thing you are overlooking. Her parents are doctors, her sister is a doctor, and her mother is also a doctor and has also apparently built a business. If your immediate family has spent years succeeding in their respective careers, why wouldnt you feel proud of that? you naturally grow up thinking âMy family is successful, my family is amazing.â if the information about your great grandfather that was passed down to you was that he was an important doctor and an early western medicine practitioner, while the darker history was never told to you, youre obviously going to repeat the version of your family history you were taught. Youre not realistically going to sit there and interrogate your own parents about whether every story they have told you has a hidden criminal history.
Thats why I keep asking what exactly in her own behaviour is supposed to deserve criticism. If she knowingly praised him after knowing what he did, thats criticism worthy. But if she genuinely didnt know and was simply proud of her familys medical background based on what she had been told, then what exactly did she do wrong? Being proud of your family isnt inherently wrong just because you later discover something ugly about an ancestor.
And yes, she will still get criticized regardless. knetizens criticize celebrities over dating, liking another idols post, friendships, old comments, basically anything that can be turned into a controversy, so obviously this situation is going to attract backlash. But that proves my point rather than yours, âpeople will criticize herâ tells us what the public reaction might be, and not whether she actually deserves that criticism.
Im not arguing that nobody is allowed to stop supporting her. Obviously people can support whoever they want. Im arguing that theres a difference between understanding why people are angry and saying ha young herself did something deserving of that anger. If she knowingly promoted or defended her great grandfather after learning the truth, criticize her. But if she genuinely didnt know, then being born into that family isnt a moral failing. And if you still think she deserves criticism despite all of that then please tell me specifically where her own fault lies. what exactly did she do wrong? was it being proud of her family? Was it answering a question about her great grandfather based on the information she had been given? or is she supposed to be responsible simply because she was born into that family? Because if she genuinely didnt know the darker history, I still don't see what behaviour of hers is actually deserving of criticism .
My argument was never that the show host was trying to sabotage ha young. She had already talked about coming from a family of doctors in a show during The Trauma Code, where celebrities basically show their daily routine, lifestyle and background, so thats how people found out about her 4generation medical family. The hosts of the later interviews already knew that part of her background, so obviously they could pick it up as something to ask her about,that doesnt mean she or her agency deliberately chose to promote her great grandfather.
And during our sticky love promotions, she talked about her family more than once, including the netflix interview and another interview with hae in. Even if we assume she knew beforehand what kind of questions she might get, that still doesnt prove that she knew the darker history of her great grandfather, when the interviewer asked about him, she simply replied that she heard he was one of the first to open a western medicine clinic in hanyang. Thats not her sitting there and randomly boasting about her great grandfather. She was answering a question about something she genuinely believed was a positive part of her family history.
If she actually knew the reality behind him, then why would she voluntarily walk straight into that topic during the biggest breakthrough of her career? That makes no sense.
Youre treating âthey were descendants and became successful doctorsâ as proof that they benefited from his alleged activities, when thats still an assumption, her family having multiple generations of doctors is not automatically evidencee that their wealth came from her great grandfather, doctors can build substantial wealth through their own careers, especially when you have multiple generations working as doctors over decades. And abt that her great grandfather was an early western medicine practitioner, that doesnt prove that the later generations became doctors because of his alleged collaboration or were financially supported by it. It could simply explain where the familys medical tradition started.
If youre claiming there was a material benefit from his actions, then show the actual connection , inherited property, money, businesses, documented advantages, whatever it actually was. âhe was successful, then his descendants became successful doctorsâ isnt the same thing as proving the success came from his wrongdoing.
And no, asking for evidence isnt being
"unreasonable." Youre the one making the claim that there was a financial or material connection, so the burden isnt suddenly on me to prove a negative. "maybe they benefited" can be a reasonable possibility, "they obviously benefited" is a factual claim and that needs something more than a hypothetical robber baron analogy ,your analogy doesnt establish what actually happened in this family, it just gives you a hypothetical that conveniently supports your conclusion.
If evidence eventually shows that her family actually inherited wealth or other advantages from his actions, I'll have no problem acknowledging it.
And tbh that will also not be actual hayoung fault , But until then, calling the connection "obvious" doesnt make it established. It just makes the assumption sound more confident.
And the whole "why support her over a more humble actress?" argument is honestly irrelevant, We are talking about whether she knowingly did something wrong not running a morality contest between actresses based on how humble you personally think they are. If she knowingly promoted or defended her great-grandfather after knowing the truth, then criticizing her would be fair . But if she genuinely didnt know, then her being born into that family doesnt suddenly become a character flaw. you can't turn "I dont like how she talked about her family" into "therefore another actress deserves her career."
That's a completely different argument.
First saying the interview was "probably prearranged by her/agency" is speculation unless you actually know how that interview was prepared. The fact that she talked about her family before doesnt prove that she knew the full history of her great grandfather , we already know how many people face backlash if any of their ancestors are chinilpa , talking proudly about your family being doctors isnt automatically the same as "boasting about a criminal " she was clearly proud of the medical history she believed she knew. Her own apology says she only knew limited family stories and later learned about the darker history.
The wealth argument is where you're making the biggest leap, korea being poor, her great grandfather being a successful doctor and later generations becoming doctors does not automatically prove that their wealth and opportunities came from his alleged collaboration. Thats a possible connection not an established one And lets say her family did benefit from this but how can you call this her fault , her fault wwas that she was born in this family ? Or that her family didnt told everything about her great grandad ? But till then
If youre saying she directly benefited from his activities then show the actual connection like property, money, inheritance, or some documented advantage that came from those activities and was passed down to the family "her descendants became successful doctors" isnt evidence of where that success came from.
And I'm not even saying she definitely didnt benefit. I'm saying we don't currently know that she did. Maybe that connection exists and more evidence comes out, maybe it doesnt. You cant turn "possibly" into "obviously".
Same thing with her knowledge. She has already said that she was fed only fragments of info of her great grandad and she wouldnt just go question what her own family said like if my dad said my great grandfather held a high position in police department now should I now start investigating did he take bribes or was he a good man ? Ofcourse you gonna trust your fathers words
Honestly at this point it kind of feels like you personally want this woman to doom. Every gap in the evidence somehow gets filled with the interpretation that makes her look the worst.
If actual evidence comes out that showing she knowingly promoted his legacy then thats a different conversation, until then youre building a pretty serious accusation out of a lot of "probably," "likely," and "therefore."
saying that if it somehow turns out that her family really did benefit from whatever her great grandfather did then I can understand why people would feel frustrated about that, but even then, I still don't think Ha Young herself did anything wrong. She didn't choose the family she was born into or what her great grandfather did, so I also dont think she should be blamed for it.
From what we've seen, the interviewer was the one who brought up that she came from a family of doctors and that her great grandfather was an early Western medicine practitioner. She was answering with pride but that's very different from her randomly bringing him up to brag about her family or knowingly bragging about a criminal. If you watch the interview, she wasnt going around saying "btw my great-grandfather was amazing." The topic was brought to her and she agreed proudly because that's the family history she believed she knew and about her benefiting from his criminality I think that's another assumption that needs evidencec we know her family has multiple generations of doctors, but I havent seen evidence showing that her familys present day wealth or opportunities came from wealth or property obtained through her great grandfather's alleged activities. If there is evidence that property or money from him was passed down and materially benefited the family, then that's obviously relevant but without establishing that connection saying she directly benefited from his criminality is jumping ahead of the evidence.
But if the allegations are true and it turns out she and her family really did benefit from her great grandfathers actions then I can understand why people would be frustrated about that but right now I don't think thats something we can just assume without evidence.
As for her great-grandfather, it seems she simply wasn't properly informed about his full history I don't think her father would just tell her "Your great-grandfather was actually a traitor." She probably grew up knowing only the positive version of his history.
It just seems sad that she finally got her first major leading role, the drama is doing well, and it's also her birthday, yet instead of celebrating her success she's caught up in this controversy
10/10 , if you like wholesome romance this is the one .
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HS china is doing pretty danm good , there season 6 is my fav in asain dating reality shows
but for all 30 eps are they enemies and then suddenly become lovers ?
or did they had chemistry all throughout the drama ?
and I can't see joseph anywhere
is he villan or doesn't have any love line ? ?