Haven't watched this yet -- I'm strictly a binge watcher. But it sounds from the comments below, this is going…
I will tell you this: the script writers did what they could with source material (novel is basically p*rn with sprinkles of plot here and there) and it's not bad - at least the communication part is not as tragically bad as in the novel (basically Dragon is being - often not intentionally - insensitive, Big gets emotionally hurt but stews it inside and as soon as Dragon does any kind gesture Big runs to him like a big pushover, they don't talk about the issue just have s*x - basically in every chapter there is long description of, sometimes physically impossible, s*x sessions they have -> repeat). Let's pray that they removed the biggest (by length) plot point: Bigs pregnancy π€―. The stupidity of the characters was off the chart with that one (not only Big believed that he was pregnant but Dragon and Bigs father + some others as well). It was bonkers!
Usually when characters pout, I cringe; but Yai doing it was so freaking cute! I practically ascended when he…
The series was basically p*rn with a little of plot (the longest and additionally craziest plot point was MALE pregnancy - yes, Big + Dragon + Big's father and others thought that Big was pregnant with Dragons offspring π€―). We learn about the fiance long after half of the book and it's resolved in few paragraphs (turns out she is lesbian and runs away from country with her girlfriend as her parents are against their relationship π). If they truly were to made faithful adaptation of this book it would have been AV/p*rn and not BL.
Some people in the comment section might eat me alive for this, but honestly? The 4th episode was rather boring...…
It's based on a novel* and the novel is basically p*rn π (I'm on chapter 24/32 and last chapter finally Dragon mentions that he has fiance - that's the 1st time in the novel!) *Thankfully all that plot parts are not done as in novel since the whole relationship is really toxic and all can be summed up with: talk to each other. Seriously it's like they are physically not capable to speak... and not just because their mouths are engaged elsewhere π
The next ep is airing on my birthdayπ€π best birthday gift ever
Happy-soon-to-be-birthday, but... I read the novel and at the end of the preview you can see Sky in the car = trouble (we should be as well officially told: "this is Sky's ex"), so prepare tissues (I hope that they fit the resolution to this in the same episode as there is another, even more gut wrenching, "issue" comming our way π), so here instead of curse of EP11 I see curse of EP12 and EP13.
I am actually starting to loose all the hope and joy, I had for Sky and Prapai story. Their story is suppose to…
I read Sky+Prapai novel and the show is tracking the progress described in it quite close. I also fear about the time constraints as we have (in my opinion) 3 major events* and 3 episodes left, so I hope they don't rush the important parts (in next ep** it seems like they will do the "Sky gives in" - I personally really appreciated Prapai's attitude in the book at this major event, so I hope his whole side will be portrayed... this is actually what makes Sky to be more open about possibility of a relationship). *chapter 13, 18 (events start to unfold from chapter 16), whole catastrophe starts from chapter 21 but the major "impact" is in 23-24 out of 25+epilogue+special **chapter 13 The true "introduction" to his ex is when they go to some friends birthday party*** (in book they also had mentioned ex on the race track without pointing out who he is and I disagree with you that their relationship with Prapai seems close - they are just acquittances exchanging pleasantries). ***chapter 17 Sky bottles things up (he doesn't cry because it did not help him during the most traumatic event of his life) - this includes love, so when the dame breaks... it really breaks. Additionally Prapai in the book is surprisingly insightful (considering his playboy and not carrying ways) - he almost from the begining understands that Sky carries deep wounds and even when everything seems to be against Sky (especially when his ex tricks them to basically repeat of the trauma) he just needs to hear one sentence from Sky to put the pieces together, figure out Sky emotional state and the likely truth. I seem to like to abuse my heart because I not only re-read the last 2 major events: "love letter"**** portion (after which Sky is being introduced to parents and sister) but the "repeat trauma"***** (afterwards introduction to brother and uncle) as well and I cry every time. I so hope that the series will do its justice π€(as opposed to, for example, in the series Prapai seems a bit like a slacker at work when in the book he is described to be workaholic). ****chapter 18 *****chapter 23-24
I'm suffering from second male lead syndrome (Haoqing, my beloved)
I am suffering from shipping him with anybody that's not FL* (started with FL male friend, who became his helper**... I am basically "BLing" the series since now I shipp the "brothers" - head disciple and the pharmacists*** - as well XD) but I am still around 15ep, so I might change my mind. Some sections are not logical to me (like how FL was able to stand the ground while fighting with Fairy's man - since there are so many of them and they are disciples from better place, shouldn't they be able to handle her rather easly before she "foxed"?) but I still like the show. I hope for more screen time for ex Master "searching for herb" to bring back dead lover (i.e. being duped by the Phoenix). She was such a bad ass :) *FL comes across as such a fake - even when I know she is not pretending her smiles make me feel like she has ulterior motive. **Then for a brief moment I was thinking that maybe he might have something with the head disciple... but the helper seems to suit him better π ***I think I read that he is supposed to be butterfly's love interest π€·π»ββοΈ.
I would like to add something about GMMTV Shop: pre-ordered box set was originally to be shipped by late May but now it's mid-June. I think that "Bad Buddy" did not have the timeline for it's box set changed - which is another proof for me what a massive hit "Not me" was. 2nd season!
No but are Gram Black a thing in the novel or are they feelings in the novel???
Yes, in the novel Gram loves Black (and is the only one who hadn't figured out that it's White the whole time... Sean+Yok figured him in like 2 seconds*, but Gram needed to be told). Black also has some feelings for Gram (he slept with him too - and boy did that mess the poor Gram badly) but is messed up in the head (literally) and mad at Gram for not remembering/recognizing him when they met again in University. Gram was just pretending because he made move (=kissed him, I think) on Black in elementary school (?) and I think that Black "decked" him right away. *Honestly how White can be so stupid in the novel? At one point Yok gave him some sweet drink and said that it's his favourite. To that White thinks that it's true for him, White, but Black hates it (he tried to make him drink)... and that did not light any lightbulb in his head! Like none at all! At least in the show White tries to emulate Black (even thou he had no contact with him in years - unlike the novel, when White and Black would meet behind their divorced parents back).
Poor Rak/Ruk. 1. He is constantly being sexualy harrased - at work and at home (Dao should take a hint). 2. He has 2 moody & stubborn teens (how else to describe Diao? π) to take care of. 3. I wonder what happened in his past relationship(s) - he looked so sad when talking about love. I almost wish for the cliche ex comming back and gets figurative "face slapping" (just seeing Rak + Diao blissfully happy would fulfill the criteria for me). 4. All the people around him (Jod excluded) seem to try and test his patience/bottom line but he [almost] always treats them kindly/politely. ***Side note1: I wonder if he already has some feelings for Diao, because he is, in my opinion, to forgiving/accomodating. Coaxing Diao to eat was a prime example. ***Side note2: Yeah, Earth is "drool worthy" π ***Side note3: what about grandchildren? I wonder how is the family going to react to their relationship considering that apparently only Diao's offsprings are possible/passable π. I hope it turns out it was all in Dao's head - she really needs to mind/fix her own love life (because it's also not great what she is doing to her boyfriends - no wonder Rak wants none of it).
My assumption is as well that Todd is behind a lot (he is the only one knowing about attack on Black even though he was not friends with him anymore - explain that!) but I cannot [hate him] every time I see that baby-face XD I also think that Sean is not the son of the driver but related to Tawi (=children rebelling against their parents) and Todd was trying to use Black (and now White) to find (he lives in garage) and perhaps make Sean behave/blackmail. As a bonus je might be collecting blackmail material on future diplomat - White.
The series was going ok, up until the "drunken rape" trope. It's so sad, IMO, that now the Taiwanese BLs are using…
Well in that case the 2nd relationship isn't far behind. XLC is basically serial sexual harasser (started as as child with LMF and now is doing it to TMR). Both LMF and TMR were not ok with what was happening to them but XLC had to push it so that his wants are satisfied.
Oh man, this show has all kinds of issues. but I still like it. Three out of the four leads are super likeable,…
I think that XLC is also problematic - he is basically serial sexual harasser. He started young with LMF (I hate that people don't seem to see this kind of behavoiur in children as problematic - this shows them that other's body autonomy doesn't matter) and "graduated" to among other things to unwated touching of TMR (even before the whole fake BL relationship). Let's don't forget that LMF told him directly that she did not want the flowers and she would have avoided him till death, so what did he do? Did he respected her point of view? Reflected on his past behaviour? Why should he - it's only his wants that matter.
Yea i also think the same after everything the step brother is intelligent according to me but he lacks manners…
I am wondering how med school is part of his plan. So far I get the rape (condone but I think I understand the twisted logic of it): not only for the father to not think that it was YXS "corrupting" FYJ but for the YXS to acknowledge his feelings for FYJ. He is definitly very smart as he started the plan early on: a) not chaging the surname (he was 10 when the partent married O.O) b) investing (successfuly!) so that he could provide (=protect) for YXS c) bartending lessons in HS (just to get YXS) d) he seems to be doing well at school - perhaps he want's to graduate earlier and that's why the doesn't take part in activities (excluding the fact that he doesn't seem to care about anybody but XYS and maybe his mom)?
Instead, it managed to transfer the ire of the fans onto the writer and director. LOL.
The series have not even aired half of the episodes, so I hope they will address this issue - as it's something that sadly happens regardles of gender (on both sides). I have big faith in the writers from Taiwan - they make better and better series, so hopefuly this will not end up beeing romanticised/swept under the rug.
That is obviously Yong Jie's disturbed rationale, but it doesn't justify a damn thing...
Agreed - there is no justification to what he did (as I exapnded on in my long post below). I tried not to be too specific in my original coment to avoid spoiling :)
My thoery on "the night" is that it's part of the plan to make stepdad transfer negative feelings to FYJ.
I feel like this season has "consent" and it's consequences as main topic. Drunken s*x means that there was no consent and that leads straight to rape. What FYJ did to YXS is going to leave a scar for the whole life - that's not something you do to the person you TRULY love. FYJ also broke in to the appartment without letting anybody know and since TMR could smell him it must have made him feel uneasy - it's also a big violation as one should at least feel safe at home. Continuing TMR road without consent: he did not agreed at the begining to the whole fake relationship but still XLC - let's face it - forced/coerced him to it and to some unwanted touching (it was happening even before the charade: like when he was pulling TMR's pants to compare their d*ck sizes). This leads to another case of lack of consent - going trough somebody's phone and using it's contend. Which as we know from the trailer [most likely] will lead to attempted rape of TMR. LMF had to face the issue serveral times as well: co-worker read note attached to the flowers wihout her consent, XLC was - surprise, surprise - violating her body's autonomy as child repeadly which lead to her deciding to avoid/not talk to him. XLC shows that if you don't learn as a child what is consent and that you should respect other peoples personal space you end up not respecting it as an adult (=sexsual harassment). I am not sure if XLC allowed LMF to talk with the female co-worker about his "feelings" for TMR. So for me the worst at the moment are (ex aequo): a) FYJ (on his plus side: he doesn't lie), b) XLC (he is a "serial" harasser and lier). Definitely better than them are (more or less ex aequo): a) LMF (she lost some brownie ponts for pushing XLC - he should "court" at his own pace), b) TMR (he is not crystal clear for his part in the whole lie/trying to trick LMF). For now the best is YXS (still he is aware of the whole LMF deception and doesn't even try to talk them out of it + he was supposed to go with FYJ after the fight but his buddy appeard so he kicked his brother to the curb = not cool).
OK, I'm mixed about this. The additonal ending made me cry, but I was also cringing a little - it was a bit cloying…
Actually it was basically what was in the manga (it's only 5,5 chapters): - lost - and then on the string - wedding ring; - getting young as he oppened the door; - the hallway with the line; - even the airplane. What was missing is that, in manga, Akira died when he was 59 years old (Yuki died at 82), so that's why Yuki was so happy to finally meet him again. The last 2 songs on the extended ending were nice but I simply love the one that was in original version (and in this was at the ending credits) - "Last Ambient".
Let's pray that they removed the biggest (by length) plot point: Bigs pregnancy π€―. The stupidity of the characters was off the chart with that one (not only Big believed that he was pregnant but Dragon and Bigs father + some others as well). It was bonkers!
If they truly were to made faithful adaptation of this book it would have been AV/p*rn and not BL.
*Thankfully all that plot parts are not done as in novel since the whole relationship is really toxic and all can be summed up with: talk to each other. Seriously it's like they are physically not capable to speak... and not just because their mouths are engaged elsewhere π
*chapter 13, 18 (events start to unfold from chapter 16), whole catastrophe starts from chapter 21 but the major "impact" is in 23-24 out of 25+epilogue+special
**chapter 13
The true "introduction" to his ex is when they go to some friends birthday party*** (in book they also had mentioned ex on the race track without pointing out who he is and I disagree with you that their relationship with Prapai seems close - they are just acquittances exchanging pleasantries).
***chapter 17
Sky bottles things up (he doesn't cry because it did not help him during the most traumatic event of his life) - this includes love, so when the dame breaks... it really breaks.
Additionally Prapai in the book is surprisingly insightful (considering his playboy and not carrying ways) - he almost from the begining understands that Sky carries deep wounds and even when everything seems to be against Sky (especially when his ex tricks them to basically repeat of the trauma) he just needs to hear one sentence from Sky to put the pieces together, figure out Sky emotional state and the likely truth.
I seem to like to abuse my heart because I not only re-read the last 2 major events: "love letter"**** portion (after which Sky is being introduced to parents and sister) but the "repeat trauma"***** (afterwards introduction to brother and uncle) as well and I cry every time. I so hope that the series will do its justice π€(as opposed to, for example, in the series Prapai seems a bit like a slacker at work when in the book he is described to be workaholic).
****chapter 18
*****chapter 23-24
Some sections are not logical to me (like how FL was able to stand the ground while fighting with Fairy's man - since there are so many of them and they are disciples from better place, shouldn't they be able to handle her rather easly before she "foxed"?) but I still like the show.
I hope for more screen time for ex Master "searching for herb" to bring back dead lover (i.e. being duped by the Phoenix). She was such a bad ass :)
*FL comes across as such a fake - even when I know she is not pretending her smiles make me feel like she has ulterior motive.
**Then for a brief moment I was thinking that maybe he might have something with the head disciple... but the helper seems to suit him better π
***I think I read that he is supposed to be butterfly's love interest π€·π»ββοΈ.
2nd season!
Black also has some feelings for Gram (he slept with him too - and boy did that mess the poor Gram badly) but is messed up in the head (literally) and mad at Gram for not remembering/recognizing him when they met again in University. Gram was just pretending because he made move (=kissed him, I think) on Black in elementary school (?) and I think that Black "decked" him right away.
*Honestly how White can be so stupid in the novel? At one point Yok gave him some sweet drink and said that it's his favourite. To that White thinks that it's true for him, White, but Black hates it (he tried to make him drink)... and that did not light any lightbulb in his head! Like none at all!
At least in the show White tries to emulate Black (even thou he had no contact with him in years - unlike the novel, when White and Black would meet behind their divorced parents back).
I also think that Sean is not the son of the driver but related to Tawi (=children rebelling against their parents) and Todd was trying to use Black (and now White) to find (he lives in garage) and perhaps make Sean behave/blackmail. As a bonus je might be collecting blackmail material on future diplomat - White.
As for the meeting in Alaska - Yuki also went there on vacation.
I would suggest for you to check the manga out (it's available online in English and it's only 5.5 chapters) :).
XLC is basically serial sexual harasser (started as as child with LMF and now is doing it to TMR).
Both LMF and TMR were not ok with what was happening to them but XLC had to push it so that his wants are satisfied.
He started young with LMF (I hate that people don't seem to see this kind of behavoiur in children as problematic - this shows them that other's body autonomy doesn't matter) and "graduated" to among other things to unwated touching of TMR (even before the whole fake BL relationship).
Let's don't forget that LMF told him directly that she did not want the flowers and she would have avoided him till death, so what did he do? Did he respected her point of view? Reflected on his past behaviour? Why should he - it's only his wants that matter.
So far I get the rape (condone but I think I understand the twisted logic of it): not only for the father to not think that it was YXS "corrupting" FYJ but for the YXS to acknowledge his feelings for FYJ.
He is definitly very smart as he started the plan early on:
a) not chaging the surname (he was 10 when the partent married O.O)
b) investing (successfuly!) so that he could provide (=protect) for YXS
c) bartending lessons in HS (just to get YXS)
d) he seems to be doing well at school - perhaps he want's to graduate earlier and that's why the doesn't take part in activities (excluding the fact that he doesn't seem to care about anybody but XYS and maybe his mom)?
I have big faith in the writers from Taiwan - they make better and better series, so hopefuly this will not end up beeing romanticised/swept under the rug.
Drunken s*x means that there was no consent and that leads straight to rape. What FYJ did to YXS is going to leave a scar for the whole life - that's not something you do to the person you TRULY love.
FYJ also broke in to the appartment without letting anybody know and since TMR could smell him it must have made him feel uneasy - it's also a big violation as one should at least feel safe at home.
Continuing TMR road without consent: he did not agreed at the begining to the whole fake relationship but still XLC - let's face it - forced/coerced him to it and to some unwanted touching (it was happening even before the charade: like when he was pulling TMR's pants to compare their d*ck sizes).
This leads to another case of lack of consent - going trough somebody's phone and using it's contend. Which as we know from the trailer [most likely] will lead to attempted rape of TMR.
LMF had to face the issue serveral times as well: co-worker read note attached to the flowers wihout her consent, XLC was - surprise, surprise - violating her body's autonomy as child repeadly which lead to her deciding to avoid/not talk to him.
XLC shows that if you don't learn as a child what is consent and that you should respect other peoples personal space you end up not respecting it as an adult (=sexsual harassment).
I am not sure if XLC allowed LMF to talk with the female co-worker about his "feelings" for TMR.
So for me the worst at the moment are (ex aequo):
a) FYJ (on his plus side: he doesn't lie),
b) XLC (he is a "serial" harasser and lier).
Definitely better than them are (more or less ex aequo):
a) LMF (she lost some brownie ponts for pushing XLC - he should "court" at his own pace),
b) TMR (he is not crystal clear for his part in the whole lie/trying to trick LMF).
For now the best is YXS (still he is aware of the whole LMF deception and doesn't even try to talk them out of it + he was supposed to go with FYJ after the fight but his buddy appeard so he kicked his brother to the curb = not cool).
- lost - and then on the string - wedding ring;
- getting young as he oppened the door;
- the hallway with the line;
- even the airplane.
What was missing is that, in manga, Akira died when he was 59 years old (Yuki died at 82), so that's why Yuki was so happy to finally meet him again.
The last 2 songs on the extended ending were nice but I simply love the one that was in original version (and in this was at the ending credits) - "Last Ambient".