I agree and disagree with you. You do realize this is a romcom right? The scenes where they are in the doorway and when she goes over the cliff are all meant to be funny because most people would grab onto anything to save themselves from falling. She doesn't. She goes ahead and falls into the water, and he dives in after her. Together they discover the body of the assistant they have been looking for, and we have the tender moment where he covers her eyes. It is not him trying to cope a feel or anything. He is trying to rescue her from falling. Yes, she is afraid of touching other people for fear that they will start seeing ghosts. You do understand that she longs to be touched, but she keeps her distance because of the consequences. This is why it is a touching moment between her and the ghost boy. She can touch ghosts without consequences.
Now, when she is drunk and walks out into the middle of the street with the car about to hit her, he has no choice but to grab her and save her. It is after that he enters her world and begins to understand why she acts the way the way she does. He isn't invading her personal space, he's saving her. After that when he tries to grab her and disregards her "personal space", he is trying to get her to open up and not be so afraid as he can already see ghosts anyway. She instinctively pushes him away as she fears the worst.
Both are on a learning curve here. Since she doesn't allow people to touch her, she doesn't really know how her "powers" work. She does have some idea that it is only through holding her hand that makes the people see ghosts. That is why she avoids holding people's hands and wears gloves. I am actually surprised that she was going to get married. Did she plan on going through life not touching her husband? Her ex couldn't handle her condition. Prosecutor Ma can.
Peoples' perception of her, especially those that don't know her well, see her as cold and aloof. PM sees her as a person who needs love and human physical contact despite her resistance. If this makes him a red flag in your world. That's okay, but for the drama he really is a good guy.
I haven't seen the movie (and have no interest), but can you explain the significance of the necklace? It's my…
In the movie, Ji Hwan is Yeo-Ri best friend. Ji Hwan's grandmother gave JH a necklace saying that she should never take it off. One day while riding the bus, Yeo-Ri asks JH if she could try it on. As YR put the necklace on, the bus goes over the side of a bridge and into a body of water. Both girls are pulled out side by side. When the paramedics get there, the necklace glows brightly, so the paramedic chooses to resuscitate Yeo-Ri and JH dies. JH comes back as a vengeful ghost and torments Yeo-Ri's friends, boyfriend, and family. At the end, Yeo-Ri gives the necklace back to JH and tells JH's ghost that she is sorry for being the one who lives. JH forgives her and stops being vengeful. So, in short, the necklace is the reason why Yeo-Ri is alive and JH is dead.
In the drama, Yeo-Ri has a star shaped necklace with a green stone (emerald). She is wearing it when she falls into the ocean. Since we have no idea what happened on the yacht, I can only speculate what the necklace means. Since the writers have been very faithful with staying true to the overall storyline of the movie, I am sure the necklace has some significance as to why she ends up in the water along with Ji Hwan. It must also have something to do with why she is saved and not Ji Hwan.
Hope this helped. It really is a cute, fun movie. Happy drama watching.
What started as a supernatural mystery quickly collapses into one of the sloppiest scripts I've seen this year.…
I respectfully disagree with most of your analysis. First, at the end of episode 4 it just shows us that he has gone into cardiac arrest. He is not brain dead. At no point does anyone declare him dead. Because of the flatline his friends think he is dead and so does Yeo-Ri. When Yeo-Ri sees the monitor flatline she leaves the hospital to go into the garden. We don't know how long it has been before he appears or whether he is dead or alive. That is the cliffhanger. When she hugs him, he seems dazed and confused which would be quite natural for someone who has just been hit by a car as a person or a ghost.
Now, beginning of episode 5, it shows us that they resuscitate him. Being a healthy, athletic male, he could spring back pretty quickly from being hit by a car that wasn't going all that fast. It sounded worse than it actually was. In martial arts they learn how to take a punch and how to fall. Also, remember they keep him in the hospital overnight to make sure that there is nothing wrong with him. What they do show us later on is when he is running and he grabs his heart. This would make sense if he has had a heart transplant. Something from the accident did trigger something. Sometimes injuries from car accidents appear long after the accident happens. I think what you wanted was a blow-by-blow account of how he went from being in cardiac arrest to appearing in front of her and that's okay. For me, it was fine to edit this out as it made it more dramatic, and it was a creative way of keeping us guessing as to whether he was alive or dead at the end of episode 4.
As for the ghosts, it seems that the theme of the beginning ghosts were a way to introduce us to Yeo-Ri and Prosecutor Ma. Both seek justice for people dead and alive. However, as the love story progresses, the ghosts become more about love and jealousy. Something tells me that these ghost stories are foreshadowing the main event, Ji Hwan's ghost. However, we still have six episodes, so anything can happen. Also, she chooses who she wants to help, not the ghosts choosing for her. So yes, the ghost stories would appear to be arbitrary, but they do have a pattern.
I will agree that the editing and storyline in episode 6 was rough, but I understood what was happening and why. The comedy is a little over the top and not very funny. I am not a big fan of slapstick. But there are funny moments.
Connection between Ji-Hwan and ML - Prosecutor Ma: Ji-Hwan who was Min-hwan's brother (not real) was the person…
I had the same thoughts as you. There is a connection between the ghost who haunts Yeo-Ri and Prosecutor Ma. If it is a heart transplant, I would love the symbolism of it all. In the movie version, it is Ji Hwan, a girl, who haunts the female protagonist. So I am guessing that it will be Ji Hwan who is haunting her in this drama as well. However, I don't think he is an angry or obsessed ghost, I think he is protecting her. The ex-fiance must have done something that Yeo-Ri didn't know about which is why Ji Hwan haunted him. We can tell the ex is a scumbag because he is going to tell everyone at the family dinner about Yeo-Ri, and how he treats her after the wedding is called off.
On the other hand, Prosecutor Ma is different than the ex-fiance. He is kind, considerate, and really cares about Yeo-Ri. The ghost (Ji Hwan) trusts him to protect her (writing on the mirror). If the ghost was jealous and obsessed, he would haunt Prosecutor Ma immediately as it can see PM is interested in her. Now that Yeo-Ri and Prosecutor Ma are engaged, the ghost will be looking out for both of them. What has to play out are the events of why she is being haunted in the first place.
What we need to know is what happened on the yacht. YR is in a red party dress and the boy beside her had on a suit. She only remembers going overboard and waking up beside the boy. jmo
How I wish I get the hype. As much as I wanted to finish it, I feel disconnected with the first 10 episodes. I…
Don't worry. You are not the only one. I started watching this three years ago and it didn't catch my attention then. However, I wanted to see what all the hype was about. Since then, I have watched the first episode four times, and I was still confused. I have even read 36 chapters of the novel as well. It took me six months to watch the entire drama. So, while I can appreciate this drama for its cultural value, I had a hard time as well.
i don't understand why they kept yeoji going after ara's injury. they should have killed her off/sent her off…
Since she was a main lead. Her contract probably said she had to appear in a certain number of episodes or she would have to pay a fine of some kind. If she could no longer do fight scenes, then the best way to utilize her was to put her in a place where she could be of help to him (romantically and politically). jmt
I don't think ML is d*ad. His outfit when he and FL hugged was different from when he went to save her and got…
Actually, in the last scene his outfit is the same as what he got hit in. When he went to rescue her, he had on a white t-shirt that they cut off of him, so that he could be resuscitated. He also had on a black button up shirt under his brown jacket. It is the black button up shirt that he is wearing in the hugging scene, so he does not have on a different outfit. They could not put his cut up white shirt back on him, so he is wearing the only other shirt he had on. Remember he always has two shirts in case she rips one.
Students from every class ignoring, that's why I don't understand SK's bullyingIf everyone (from a whole class)…
I understand where you are coming from, and yes if everyone fought against the bullies there would be no bullies. Bullying can only be stopped when everyone works together to hold the bullies accountable for their actions. This is includes teachers, administration, police, politicians, parents, and students.
In South Korea reputation is everything. So yes, the students could stop the physical bullying that goes on the classroom, but they can't stop the bullies from damaging their families' reputations. This is why the boy committed suicide. Because he went against the bullies, and his family's business was completely destroyed. Also, the bullies are minors, so punishment is far more lenient for them. This is why no one stands up to the bullies. In the end, this is how the educational bureau handled that situation. They ruined the bully's family business with all kinds of claims. The bullies also got sent to jail. Their crimes were dealt with and not shoved under the rug like normal. Someone more powerful than the students, teachers, and administration step in to help. Notice what the politicians did, they went after the reputations of the main leads of the bureau.
Thank you for clarifying for people what pedophilia and ephebophilia actually are. This drama is neither. It is a well written social commentary on the age of consent law in China. The age of consent is 14 with no restrictions meaning 14 year olds are able to consent to sex with anyone 14 and above. The people of China are trying to get the age of consent changed to 16 with no luck. If you can't change the law, change the mindset of the people about the law. Great social commentaries do not come right and say something is wrong or right. They let viewers decide for themselves.
How does it do this? Within the first five minutes of the drama, the main female lead (Sang Zhi) says, "Time has its own magic drawing us closer in height and distance (maturity level)". The drama is divided into three time frames. The first is when Sang Zhi is 14 and the male lead (DJX) is 19. At this time, Sang Zhi develops a crush on DJX because he does something for her that they keep secret from her parents and brother. Also, Sang Zhi is played by an actress who is 11 at the time of filming, but it is because Sang Zhi was sickly as a child and didn't develop normally. There are also other reasons for the use of a smaller actress, but that is for the social commentary aspect of the drama. This throws some viewers off. The message from this time frame is that relationships, even though legal, should take into consideration the height (image) and maturity level between the 14 year old and the older person before starting a relationship. How will it look to society and are they on the same page as far as maturity level.
The next time frame is when she is 17 and he is 22. At this time, she has now grown up in height (image). However, she is still a child in maturity level as she does not understand the book he is reading The End of Eternity by Isaac Asimov. However, this is the time that you can clearly see that he is taking more of interest in her whether it is as a brother or boyfriend is up to the viewer to decide. It is also up to the viewer to decide whether it is moral or not.
The final time frame is when she is 19 and he is 24. It is at this time that they start dating and have their first sexual encounter. She is in college, has been through military training, and matured. She is of the age of consent, age of majority, but just not marriageable age (20 for females). Again, whether you consider this immoral is entirely up to you.
Some people see DJX's behavior as grooming. If you want to know specifically, please read my response to MikaM not too far below. I go into more detail and give examples from the drama about why people may see it as this.
Also, throughout the drama she speaks and acts like a child even when she is 19. But again, there is a reason for it. It is all a part of the social commentary aspect of the drama.
I’m rewatching this too & also like the sequel / prequel (unsure) - first frost. Any other recommendations?
The First Frost is a shared universe drama with Hidden Love. It is Sang Yan's love story whereas Hidden Love is Sang Zhi's love story. There is one other shared universe drama with these two and that is When I Meet the Moon. Not sure when it comes out or if it has already come out.
This is such an interesting take!! Do you think this affects your personal opinion on the drama's overall quality?
I, too, have watched this drama three times. You have done an excellent job of analyzing Shao Shang's 15/16 year old character, and I agree with your assessment. What I don't agree with is your final conclusion. Since the drama takes place over the time frame of when she is 15-21, you have failed to take into consideration her age at the events you describe. Throughout most of the drama she is 15/16. She portrays most teenagers at this age: impulsive, think only about the present, selfish, and immature. Revenge is case by case and short lived (which she says many times). So her actions and behavior are spot on for her age and situations she is put in at that time.
Later on after the five year stay in the palace, you see how she has matured, and how her thinking has changed. She is no longer impulsive selfish, or carefree girl. She isn't out to get people. She wants to help them instead with her talents. By the end of the drama, she is taking care of business in a professional manner and becoming a productive member of society in something other than being a wife, mother, or nun.
Also, there are many types of intelligence. Your definition of intelligence seems to be one of social/emotional intelligence (something Shao Shang lacks due to her upbringing). You want your heroine to be witty and intelligent in the ways of how people work and that's okay. But that is not what Shao Shang's character is all about. In LLtG, Shao Shang is fighting against other girls around her age for Ling Bu Yi's attention. Since she is only 15/16 years old herself, she isn't going to have the maturity level of an adult. MIng Lan is an adult when she starts her revenge.
Hope this helps. I do agree with your analysis, I just don't think you have gone far enough in your thinking about Shao Shang's character and over all picture of the drama. You are only looking at one aspect of Shao Shangs character. jmo
Loved the movie this drama is based on and just watched it again. It is good to see that they kept the original names of the main characters and some of the scenes.
ok so in Episode 5, if the homeroom teacher keeps getting comments on Instagram and phone calls from that parent…
The teacher tried to ignore the mother by not answering her phone after school hours (6:00 P.M.) However, the mother went over to the teacher's house and asked why she wasn't answering her phone.
So what do you think the mother would have done had the teacher blocked her?
The death by poison was for the deposed king, not the warden. The warden wasn't punished because he did nothing…
I understand what you are saying. But, again, it doesn't make any difference how the deposed king dies as long as he is dead. A king or queen can order someone to die by poison, but if that person decides they would rather hang themselves, it doesn't matter whether they have help or not. The person is still carrying out the wishes of the king or queen. The edict is for making sure the death sentence is carried out, it doesn't necessarily have to be in the way the edict says. Just as long as the death occurs.
The death by poison was for the deposed king, not the warden. The warden wasn't punished because he did nothing…
No, as long as the deposed king dies who is going to care who does the deed. The reason why the warden is the one to pull the rope is because the king wants to die on his own terms, not by the terms of his uncle.
Historical accounts say the deposed king could have died in three different ways: poison proposed by his uncle, something else that I can't remember, and strangulation with the rope by one of the king's supporters which was also sanctioned by the uncle. So in order to get both those accounts into the tale the writers gave us the poison by the uncle and the deposed king the idea for the rope.
Now, when she is drunk and walks out into the middle of the street with the car about to hit her, he has no choice but to grab her and save her. It is after that he enters her world and begins to understand why she acts the way the way she does. He isn't invading her personal space, he's saving her. After that when he tries to grab her and disregards her "personal space", he is trying to get her to open up and not be so afraid as he can already see ghosts anyway. She instinctively pushes him away as she fears the worst.
Both are on a learning curve here. Since she doesn't allow people to touch her, she doesn't really know how her "powers" work. She does have some idea that it is only through holding her hand that makes the people see ghosts. That is why she avoids holding people's hands and wears gloves. I am actually surprised that she was going to get married. Did she plan on going through life not touching her husband? Her ex couldn't handle her condition. Prosecutor Ma can.
Peoples' perception of her, especially those that don't know her well, see her as cold and aloof. PM sees her as a person who needs love and human physical contact despite her resistance. If this makes him a red flag in your world. That's okay, but for the drama he really is a good guy.
Happy drama watching.
In the drama, Yeo-Ri has a star shaped necklace with a green stone (emerald). She is wearing it when she falls into the ocean. Since we have no idea what happened on the yacht, I can only speculate what the necklace means. Since the writers have been very faithful with staying true to the overall storyline of the movie, I am sure the necklace has some significance as to why she ends up in the water along with Ji Hwan. It must also have something to do with why she is saved and not Ji Hwan.
Hope this helped. It really is a cute, fun movie. Happy drama watching.
Now, beginning of episode 5, it shows us that they resuscitate him. Being a healthy, athletic male, he could spring back pretty quickly from being hit by a car that wasn't going all that fast. It sounded worse than it actually was. In martial arts they learn how to take a punch and how to fall. Also, remember they keep him in the hospital overnight to make sure that there is nothing wrong with him. What they do show us later on is when he is running and he grabs his heart. This would make sense if he has had a heart transplant. Something from the accident did trigger something. Sometimes injuries from car accidents appear long after the accident happens. I think what you wanted was a blow-by-blow account of how he went from being in cardiac arrest to appearing in front of her and that's okay. For me, it was fine to edit this out as it made it more dramatic, and it was a creative way of keeping us guessing as to whether he was alive or dead at the end of episode 4.
As for the ghosts, it seems that the theme of the beginning ghosts were a way to introduce us to Yeo-Ri and Prosecutor Ma. Both seek justice for people dead and alive. However, as the love story progresses, the ghosts become more about love and jealousy. Something tells me that these ghost stories are foreshadowing the main event, Ji Hwan's ghost. However, we still have six episodes, so anything can happen. Also, she chooses who she wants to help, not the ghosts choosing for her. So yes, the ghost stories would appear to be arbitrary, but they do have a pattern.
I will agree that the editing and storyline in episode 6 was rough, but I understood what was happening and why. The comedy is a little over the top and not very funny. I am not a big fan of slapstick. But there are funny moments.
Happy drama watching.
On the other hand, Prosecutor Ma is different than the ex-fiance. He is kind, considerate, and really cares about Yeo-Ri. The ghost (Ji Hwan) trusts him to protect her (writing on the mirror). If the ghost was jealous and obsessed, he would haunt Prosecutor Ma immediately as it can see PM is interested in her. Now that Yeo-Ri and Prosecutor Ma are engaged, the ghost will be looking out for both of them. What has to play out are the events of why she is being haunted in the first place.
What we need to know is what happened on the yacht. YR is in a red party dress and the boy beside her had on a suit. She only remembers going overboard and waking up beside the boy. jmo
Happy drama watching.
Good luck and happy drama watching.
In South Korea reputation is everything. So yes, the students could stop the physical bullying that goes on the classroom, but they can't stop the bullies from damaging their families' reputations. This is why the boy committed suicide. Because he went against the bullies, and his family's business was completely destroyed. Also, the bullies are minors, so punishment is far more lenient for them. This is why no one stands up to the bullies. In the end, this is how the educational bureau handled that situation. They ruined the bully's family business with all kinds of claims. The bullies also got sent to jail. Their crimes were dealt with and not shoved under the rug like normal. Someone more powerful than the students, teachers, and administration step in to help. Notice what the politicians did, they went after the reputations of the main leads of the bureau.
What country are you from btw?
Happy drama watching.
How does it do this? Within the first five minutes of the drama, the main female lead (Sang Zhi) says, "Time has its own magic drawing us closer in height and distance (maturity level)". The drama is divided into three time frames. The first is when Sang Zhi is 14 and the male lead (DJX) is 19. At this time, Sang Zhi develops a crush on DJX because he does something for her that they keep secret from her parents and brother. Also, Sang Zhi is played by an actress who is 11 at the time of filming, but it is because Sang Zhi was sickly as a child and didn't develop normally. There are also other reasons for the use of a smaller actress, but that is for the social commentary aspect of the drama. This throws some viewers off. The message from this time frame is that relationships, even though legal, should take into consideration the height (image) and maturity level between the 14 year old and the older person before starting a relationship. How will it look to society and are they on the same page as far as maturity level.
The next time frame is when she is 17 and he is 22. At this time, she has now grown up in height (image). However, she is still a child in maturity level as she does not understand the book he is reading The End of Eternity by Isaac Asimov. However, this is the time that you can clearly see that he is taking more of interest in her whether it is as a brother or boyfriend is up to the viewer to decide. It is also up to the viewer to decide whether it is moral or not.
The final time frame is when she is 19 and he is 24. It is at this time that they start dating and have their first sexual encounter. She is in college, has been through military training, and matured. She is of the age of consent, age of majority, but just not marriageable age (20 for females). Again, whether you consider this immoral is entirely up to you.
Some people see DJX's behavior as grooming. If you want to know specifically, please read my response to MikaM not too far below. I go into more detail and give examples from the drama about why people may see it as this.
Also, throughout the drama she speaks and acts like a child even when she is 19. But again, there is a reason for it. It is all a part of the social commentary aspect of the drama.
Happy drama watching.
Happy drama watching.
Later on after the five year stay in the palace, you see how she has matured, and how her thinking has changed. She is no longer impulsive selfish, or carefree girl. She isn't out to get people. She wants to help them instead with her talents. By the end of the drama, she is taking care of business in a professional manner and becoming a productive member of society in something other than being a wife, mother, or nun.
Also, there are many types of intelligence. Your definition of intelligence seems to be one of social/emotional intelligence (something Shao Shang lacks due to her upbringing). You want your heroine to be witty and intelligent in the ways of how people work and that's okay. But that is not what Shao Shang's character is all about. In LLtG, Shao Shang is fighting against other girls around her age for Ling Bu Yi's attention. Since she is only 15/16 years old herself, she isn't going to have the maturity level of an adult. MIng Lan is an adult when she starts her revenge.
Hope this helps. I do agree with your analysis, I just don't think you have gone far enough in your thinking about Shao Shang's character and over all picture of the drama. You are only looking at one aspect of Shao Shangs character. jmo
So what do you think the mother would have done had the teacher blocked her?
Historical accounts say the deposed king could have died in three different ways: poison proposed by his uncle, something else that I can't remember, and strangulation with the rope by one of the king's supporters which was also sanctioned by the uncle. So in order to get both those accounts into the tale the writers gave us the poison by the uncle and the deposed king the idea for the rope.
Hope this makes sense.