I don't understand their family relations at all😭 i understand the grandmother and that ha ri is yeo ris cousin…
Just started watching so from what I gathered so far- Yeori is her grandma's direct grandaughter. Whereas Hari's dad is not blood related to granny herself(didn't really follow if he was her nephew or stepson) but since he was part of the Reina group family, Hari is a cousin in line to inherit the family business. Hari's mom is the daughter-in-law of the family and is running the art money laundering thing and trying anything to secure the throne for her kid(s). Hari's brother exists and hasn't done much other than buttering people. Minhwan's family are another chaebol family. He and Yeori were childhood friends and classmates and he has feelings for her. Jihwan (guy who saved Yeori from drowning after falling off the yaught and became the first ghost she could see) was Minhwan's "twin" brother. However, the gossip they overheard implies Minhwan was adopted as a baby while their mom fell pregnant at last after adopting him and brought both babies back as twins. He seems to have attended the same art history class as her while Minhwan was sent abroad to study in the USA.
I was reading the actor interviews and Lee Chae-min on the finale:- https://www.chosun.com/entertainments/broadcast/2025/09/30/CAYE2OITU7NTZS5KHXKUNWEBG4/ {I found his sincere reaction kinda funny:- "However, when asked about Shin Soo-hyuk (Park Young-woon), who was left alone while waiting for Lee Heon after retaking the palace, Lee Chae-min was flustered and said, 'I'm really sorry. I didn't think of that.' He continued, 'I thought Gong-gil (Lee Joo-an) was there too. I was impressed by their bromance, so I thought they would get along well as best friends like Lee Heon and Im Song-jae (Oh Eui-sik).' " } While all thats up to the imagination I really do wonder whatever happened to all of them after and since history has changed how things went(as well as diff from the LN ending)... Sigh...
oh my god we had the exact same endgames LMFAOO i didn't think anyone else would see the potential in the bodyguard…
The actors too!🤣 Lee Joo-an made ship names for the love polygon even and kept captioning his stories as Gongilgeum and Gongsu. And teasing chef Maeng. From his interview, he and Park Young-woon deliberately increased their bickering bromance more than the script called for. The fan service level is extraordinary. And they were, like, the perfect opposites- the loyal and formal guard puppy and Cat!
And paraphrasing LCM- LCM ended up saying when asked what about poor Shin Soo-hyuk waiting for his return that while that was sad they'll be fine as Soo-hyuk and Gong-gil still had each other(his full sentence was their bickering bromance is as strong as Lee Heon and Im Sung-jae's childhood friendship). (I'm glad they changed some things from the light novel- it's Joseon ending is more darker due to even more deaths so that is true at least they won and are all alive to start afresh afterwards)
True about a spinoff- I really wish we had more of them and their interactions. I also wanted to see more of the entire kitchen staff and the inventor during the drama. The LN has a lot more arcs so one thing is that it got condensed. If they adapted kdramas more anime-way there'd be extra filler episodes or short extras dedicated to a day in the life of the side characters. Gong-gil was pretty much the third male lead with the amount of story he had!
That final Magunrok scene reminded me of Tangled! So there was...Nobunaga no Chef(majorly)+ Food Wars + Mr Queen + King and the Clown + Oldboy + Jewel in the Palace(gil-geum ironically), etc.
I have an odd theory- they're basically in some paradoxical time loop. The ML has to write the Magunrok for FL to time travel with it and he can't write the Magunrok unless she time travelled. And it seems at first glance this time . But even as fictionalized history theres many a variation in it from the real time; and while that is due to adaption- its like things keep changing if its a loop. Not just this once. Like theres either a Jeremy Bearimy loop and the past kept changing with each iteration or multiple multiverses get created each ending with them reunited in a happily ever after future.
I loved this drama. I really do. But they didnt let my ship sail for GilGeum and Cook Maeng! 😭😜😅They…
Their ship definitely sailed in Joseon 😤(BL route for Gong-gil)
The light novel this is based on has a spinoff with how the ML landed in the present and eventually found her. I wish they could make a short spinoff specials with that. And give several other side charas closure too.
The last page got torn and fell from the main Magunrok and it granted his dying wish and transported him to reunite with the FL. And there was a lunar eclipse.
Liked that ending just wish we got more descended doppelgangers in the present😢especially court lady Choi😭
I liked it overall- it deviated from the novel and stayed close to it. I love the actors posts. I'm making up my own mind on somethings. Endgames Gil-geum with chef Maeng. Gong-gil with Shin Soo-hyuk.
why are people saying she shouldn’t change history? she loves him and doesn’t want him to kill his own family…
The points bothering me too. Ironically by keeping him from becoming the tyrant she knew, she was doing what she thought was right in saving many people from unjust death to his rage. Because at the same time she saw first-hand he himself was no such mad tyrant as described but someone who could be reasoned with. And he became someone she cares deeply for. The revolt wasn't supposed to happen till after the second purge takes place which doesn't happen till he starts a rampage by killing his granny, those consorts and the eunuch. And the message she delayed in passing on he didn't pick up on at once anyway.
This king the ML was the one who killed or got killed everyone which caused the revolt that had him un-kinged. Whoever knew he was framed? History is written by the victors. Who incidentally was not the senile uncle according to her but the little prince. We did hear FL tell us clearly that she never heard of Jesan till she arrived in Joseon and that might indicate he is erased from history (or she didn't bother about the riff-raff in history and hence would not know what would happen since the little prince and his mom don't look like they're carrying out a secret rebellion). The only one she knows of as trecherous is consort Kang but she was said to have manipulated him and even the ML suspects Kang. But unfortunately for ML, the one spy he put his full trust into, Gong-gil, had till now been secretely holding a grudge against him...many a factor aligned.
I knew they couldn’t end it well but all these deaths are so unnecessary and fl being from the future is just…
Technically ML was the worst villain by history books and FL prevented a whole massacre(2nd literati purge) that takes place after he finds this death shroud of his mothers all by talking him down. FL stops him killing the granny queen(with a shove while arguing) and then putting to death those two consorts (he only spared his stepmom and brother) and hunts down with arrows and dismembers the kind chief eunuch for begging him not to. After which he goes after all the 'traitors' who led to his mom's death in the purge. He himself is now no more the tyrant or the mad king on a rampage against one and all that she knew from history.
Now, Jesan. The "fool" of the family was never prominent in history books- in the episode where she first heard the name of Jesan she is clueless and asks who that is. (if only she had watched more movies/dramas she'd know he was the one who introduced Kang Mok-ju to the king and most writers write him as a schemer). After this bloody tyrant, prince Jin-myeong takes the throne and she remarked upon at that time when she learned of Jesan questioning Jesan's existence. Drama may be going in a different way than the novel. This part of history would appear to be the product of her changing history causing the timeline to start to correct itself.
I...I have never being angered by a team this much. And I don't even like the ML particularly. And biggest problem is I don't feel connected to any of them by now. Also there are many weird or dumb things that keep happening. Why are they able to pull so much strings for the Mantis? At this rate will the 24/7 guard become mom's personal butler in prison? Shouldn't he be in hospital or suspended for two carelessnesses? And Min-jae..that was too little of him! More than anything I don't particularly feel comfortable about the direction they are taking about culprit...
some people are calling this a remake of a french show and some are calling it a remake of an american show, does…
The French "La Mante" (2017) is the original this kdrama is apparently based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Mante There is no english remake yet though it apparently became popular due to Stephen King.
{I found his sincere reaction kinda funny:- "However, when asked about Shin Soo-hyuk (Park Young-woon), who was left alone while waiting for Lee Heon after retaking the palace, Lee Chae-min was flustered and said, 'I'm really sorry. I didn't think of that.' He continued, 'I thought Gong-gil (Lee Joo-an) was there too. I was impressed by their bromance, so I thought they would get along well as best friends like Lee Heon and Im Song-jae (Oh Eui-sik).' " }
While all thats up to the imagination I really do wonder whatever happened to all of them after and since history has changed how things went(as well as diff from the LN ending)... Sigh...
Lee Joo-an made ship names for the love polygon even and kept captioning his stories as Gongilgeum and Gongsu. And teasing chef Maeng. From his interview, he and Park Young-woon deliberately increased their bickering bromance more than the script called for. The fan service level is extraordinary. And they were, like, the perfect opposites- the loyal and formal guard puppy and Cat!
And paraphrasing LCM- LCM ended up saying when asked what about poor Shin Soo-hyuk waiting for his return that while that was sad they'll be fine as Soo-hyuk and Gong-gil still had each other(his full sentence was their bickering bromance is as strong as Lee Heon and Im Sung-jae's childhood friendship). (I'm glad they changed some things from the light novel- it's Joseon ending is more darker due to even more deaths so that is true at least they won and are all alive to start afresh afterwards)
True about a spinoff- I really wish we had more of them and their interactions. I also wanted to see more of the entire kitchen staff and the inventor during the drama. The LN has a lot more arcs so one thing is that it got condensed. If they adapted kdramas more anime-way there'd be extra filler episodes or short extras dedicated to a day in the life of the side characters. Gong-gil was pretty much the third male lead with the amount of story he had!
I have an odd theory- they're basically in some paradoxical time loop. The ML has to write the Magunrok for FL to time travel with it and he can't write the Magunrok unless she time travelled. And it seems at first glance this time . But even as fictionalized history theres many a variation in it from the real time; and while that is due to adaption- its like things keep changing if its a loop. Not just this once. Like theres either a Jeremy Bearimy loop and the past kept changing with each iteration or multiple multiverses get created each ending with them reunited in a happily ever after future.
The light novel this is based on has a spinoff with how the ML landed in the present and eventually found her. I wish they could make a short spinoff specials with that. And give several other side charas closure too.
I liked it overall- it deviated from the novel and stayed close to it. I love the actors posts. I'm making up my own mind on somethings. Endgames Gil-geum with chef Maeng. Gong-gil with Shin Soo-hyuk.
This king the ML was the one who killed or got killed everyone which caused the revolt that had him un-kinged. Whoever knew he was framed? History is written by the victors. Who incidentally was not the senile uncle according to her but the little prince. We did hear FL tell us clearly that she never heard of Jesan till she arrived in Joseon and that might indicate he is erased from history (or she didn't bother about the riff-raff in history and hence would not know what would happen since the little prince and his mom don't look like they're carrying out a secret rebellion). The only one she knows of as trecherous is consort Kang but she was said to have manipulated him and even the ML suspects Kang. But unfortunately for ML, the one spy he put his full trust into, Gong-gil, had till now been secretely holding a grudge against him...many a factor aligned.
Now, Jesan. The "fool" of the family was never prominent in history books- in the episode where she first heard the name of Jesan she is clueless and asks who that is. (if only she had watched more movies/dramas she'd know he was the one who introduced Kang Mok-ju to the king and most writers write him as a schemer). After this bloody tyrant, prince Jin-myeong takes the throne and she remarked upon at that time when she learned of Jesan questioning Jesan's existence. Drama may be going in a different way than the novel. This part of history would appear to be the product of her changing history causing the timeline to start to correct itself.
Why are they able to pull so much strings for the Mantis? At this rate will the 24/7 guard become mom's personal butler in prison? Shouldn't he be in hospital or suspended for two carelessnesses? And Min-jae..that was too little of him!
More than anything I don't particularly feel comfortable about the direction they are taking about culprit...
There is no english remake yet though it apparently became popular due to Stephen King.