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It is not a dream

I think you misunderstood what the last fever scene was about. SM was sick and he dreamt that Tin was around to take care of him. He recovered in the end and the trip to Tai O is real because they took off and KK&Tin already came back from Taiwan. I could tell what this scene is about so I am not sure why people could mistook things to be a dream.

The redemption of OYH is good, glad she chose to face the reality than to escape via death despite her child “died”. Mr Ha was a jerk when talking about revenge, but his submission to his crime and made everyone involved real guilty when they all tried their best to deny, I give that to him. All the crimes involved from S1 to S2 so far have all been addressed well.

But still quite sad to see what sparks S3 will be Revenge for Logan. It is still fortunate that he didn’t turn a villain though. JDT still has power despite in jail. SSR will need to work her plans well against these new villains on her own now.

Is it just me or the detective played by Kim Dong Young look quite alike to Kim Young Dae who played JSH, especially in some of the scenes in Ep 11?

This was one of the drama that got me hooked. I personally feel for the best experience of Penthouse S1 is to enjoy all the actings of the cast and the storyline, without getting towards the side of “Oh, the good guys should win or get their revenge”, because there are 2 more seasons so we should expect that the Good guys won’t win for this one.

I watched till the latest for Penthouse S2 and wanted to see similar past/ongoing dramas that I might have missed out and I came across/heard on Sky Castle. I see a bit of resemblance of Sky Castle to Penthouse but personally feel that Penthouse is easier to watch.

She was presumed dead but actually was alive according to the latest episode. The romance was on and off for JSH and BRN due to OYH accused of murdering SSR, but their relationship sparks more in season 2

She was saved by SSR and then later gain consciousness to stop JDT for getting the property under her name as if she was dead and then much later went to the States

1) JDT asked the twins whose necklace it was because JSH suspected him to be the killer. JDT want make known to the kids that’s HEB is the killer, while hiding the fact that he is the real killer. So far I feel the scene where Ep 10 shows JDT stabbing BRN head and trigger the alarm later is consistent as he disappeared during the scene at Ep 6.

2) I partially agree with you on the inconsistency, but I realised when JDT had the trauma, the blood is due to his own injury, and not the case if he got it while injuring someone else, like stabbing SSR or BRN.

3) JDT just take the opportunity for his own advantage. Using his daughter is part of the excuse, but everyone knows BRN is the biggest threat for the Cheong A Grand Prize, and having BRN gone means JSK, who got the Gold prize will be the next to have the free pass to the University. BRN did won the Grand Prize after all. If she is still around, JSK won’t be the first. And JDT cared about JSK’s education after all, even if she has no skills, He will do whatever it takes to make her get that spot. He has done a lot of things for her to get this far. So killing BRN for JSK is not a surprise, as he can do anything underhand to make his daughter the top “Singer.”

4) I think you didn’t see properly, the Trophy really only have 1 wing hanging. The right wing towards the audience eye is missing.

5) JDT is the only one who kills without blinking an eye after all. There is no other villain who dared to do such thing.

JDT is confirmed the killer, but it’a attempt murder since BRN managed to survive at the end of Ep 10.

I hope this season at least serves some justice for the good people. Every main characters of the Penthouse are not without crime. Shifting dead body, bribery and fabricating evidences, they should be jailed for that. Using a lie to cover up for another, and another give them more crimes. Murder is worst! Bullying is not right, and if lesson’s not learnt from MSA for these children, their current redemptions will never ever erase their past actions.

JDT
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CSJ
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LGJ & Wife
KMR
All their children except BRN

Even if any of the villain learns their mistake or is getting their karma now, or if they are trying to atone for their sins, they had still committed a crime before. Even if they turn good now, I hope they will still get punish. Punish for fooling around with poor SSR‘s life and MSA’s, and now trying to cover up on BRN’s death. Mocking and don’t show remorse is a terrible behaviour. Those who never learn that they are wrong, don’t deserve a lighter judgement. Yes, JDT is the worst!

Everyone

She is stunning, but trampling someone else’s life to get to her position is not admirable. I hope justice still can be said for OYH, even though she did eventually kill MSA, but wouldn’t have happened if Cheong A isn’t corrupted

CSJ never killed anyone? She is involved in her father’s death. Even if she didn’t intentionally make her father fall from the stairs, but leaving him to die there, is still a crime.

The writer is making CSJ admit most of her wrongdoings to be less of a villain, but I would say she is worse than OYH. Why? Cheong A is corrupted, inherited by CSJ. Based on capability, OYH, MSA & BRN should have graduated with honours. It all started out with faking the exam score to let CSJ win when she don’t deserve it. OYH obviously won but CSJ made her life turn upside down. It wasn’t fair to her. She used to accept her pathetic fate to stop singing and lead a normal life ever since, but just things changed and she eventually killed MSA when her mind wasn’t very conscious at that time, bearing evil thoughts.

But both OHY and CSJ are murderers

Episode 2 was really nice to watch. The fight scene between Mr. Ha & JDT was so cool! Initially JDT was the better fighter but that scene showed so clearly how much the table has turned. Personally I feel in terms of character development, JDT is one of the most stagnant that everything he do now has no “wow” factor. He is losing his charm. Mr. Ha gain more of my attention now. Initially he was really just a “loser” with no power.

OYH’s comeback was real good! I feel the reason why she didn’t ruin the performance is also because it is her very first full performance after so many years since her vocal injury. It was a test of her strength. She proved to be the better one than CSJ who couldn’t do that perfect High F pitch that everyone knew she didn’t achieve before. This event gave OYH the opportunity to perform her true prime that she couldn’t because CSJ played dirty. I think it would be so fun to watch how the bad people gets toyed around by all sort of possibilities that we don’t expect in how the table turned.

Looking forward to the next episode, can’t wait! ><

S1 sparks SSR’s revenge because of MSA then if S2 that girl who fell the stairs with blood got injured/died is BRN, OHY’s revenge will start. Now it’s more like her redemption to pay back for her past mistake, her wrong accusations and continue SSR’s vengeance.

But the wind kinda messed the place and the scene which would be different if they had just walked in. I think it is good and something We never expect

I don’t understand why people rate shows so fast when this drama just started. It hasn’t end yet and there are so many surprising things that have yet to come. Penthouse 1 imo has quite a relative Low rating despite all the splendid acting and the crazy storyline. Although I understand Penthouse 1 ends off badly for the good people, but there are more than 1 season for a reason, so I believed if things ended too well then there is no need for a season 2. Although it is sad SSR “died” last season but I am excited to see a season 2 because the actors are so immersed with their characters and it was nice to watch

The bromance between Byul Gam and Kim Kwan, I ship!!! Lol

Anyone knows what is the intro song for the episodes in this Drama?

I agree with all the reasonings you have mentioned, as currently your views have also sided less towards HJP.

I would like to clarify on your confusion about NDS based on how I interpret these 3 characters with just some baseless questions to trigger some thinking towards how I feel the reason why the writer created such storyline which could be seen that confusing to many people. I will be including WIJ in my discussion as she also serves an important role to SDM's life. However, she does have lesser screen time as compared to the rest. That's most likely because she acted like a villain. But not the main point of discussion.

Imagine if the storyline started with HJP writing letters as HJP in the name to SDM, where NDS wouldn't have come into play. How do you think the story would have ended? Good for both HJP and SDM but wouldn't it be a little too plain and too short for a story? What would be the obstacles for the characters to grow individually? What truly makes a story, a story?

SDM's dream is to be an entrepreneur, but her dream is unable to be fulfilled without both NDS and HJP's help actually. HJP indeed give very good advices to help her in her business. NDS is the one who started this business which allows SDM to be that CEO to take the lead to bring their business and partnership to the next level of success, with HJP's guidance. HJP do not have that business of his own that can allow SDM to be an entrepreneur, and hence NDS came into play. NDS comes with a business model while SDM helps to make it to be a profitable model and workable business model, with HJP's help as a financial guru. This goal has yet be to be achieved, but I believed it is something along this line, as HJP has constantly been saying to NDS about his business model not being profitable that no investors would want to invest even though their idea was great. WIJ is SDM's motivator to success. She is the sole reason why SDM wants to try to win and proved that her decision to stay with father was the right choice. To side track a bit, WIJ's herself in character is smart, but she lacks the emotions to improve because she already felt that she is the best. She came into Sandbox so that she can act her competitor role to helped SDM improve and prosper as an entrepreneur, whom did not receive any proper education due to her unfortunate life. But that didn't stop her from being optimistic and moving forward.

Backstory aside, we saw HJP first and how he grew up to be SDM's friend in their letter exchange because of Grandmother's grace and favour. The first few letters might have been from Grandmother, and the subsequent one came from HJP himself. However, he did not have any feelings for SDM prior when he grew up to be 30+ set in the present timeline even though he wrote the letter. He got too involved with the money he made using Grandmother's bank and decided to leave for Seoul, even though they managed to clear the misunderstanding HJP had for Grandmother, he ultimately left to Seoul for his own bright future. SDM wasn't on his mind at all. 15 years passed since he last left and wrote the last letter for SDM. Then the question is, why wait until 15 years later? It was revealed that Grandmother sold her shop to help SDM's university but she quit and earn back some money from part time jobs to give her the Corn Dog Truck to work, based on the conversation Grandmother had with SDM's mother, as heard from HJP. But does it really take so fast that they became uncontactable that out of the blue, HJP saw SDM again 15 years later to reconnect with Grandmother? My analysis is that HJP took all these time to learn and study, using his own money to build more money by investing in himself to become the person he is today. He will find Grandmother again once he is ready, but when he was ready, he cannot find her until 15 years later because of SDM this name. Then it all make sense to him on how come he no longer can find Grandmother when he tried to, and then asked why Grandmother didn't find him when she needed money. Both characters never exchanged any numbers, and Grandmother won't know where HJP is except in Seoul. The only way for Grandmother to see HJP again is to wait for HJP to find her again, but that already sets a 15 years later for it to happen, as when HJP tries to find her previously, he couldn't. He missed that first coincidental chance - when he is ready but SDM and Grandmother were having difficulties that they missed out on one another.

Why NDS is being pulled in the picture? He plays an important role as a middle man to start an entrepreneurship career. The newspaper we see in Episode 1 gives NDS a very good picture that he is a genius and seemingly would be a very successful kid. But when HJP first found NDS as an adult, he was stuck in his life as nothing seems to be moving ahead for him. He has been wasting his father's money just to survive on daily expenses that may be unnecessarily because of the team. How come a genius kid would end up this way? It was later explained that he was no genius at all, as he had cheated during that competition. And because of that, the person who came 2nd lost a medal, while he benefitted from the photo he took with the athlete when he created NoonGil. His family has high expectation of him since young, because he had that talent. But due to the competition, and probably due to nervousness, he forgot the answer to a question he knew how to answer, and saw the opportunity to cheat. At that point of time I saw this scene, I felt it was very relatable, because it has happened to me before in my past, and I did cheat but never again, as these were all in the past.

NDS might not be an actual genius, but in Start-Up he has shown that he do have that potential. SDM gave the idea, NDS executed it. Even when their business seemed to have failed in comparison because WIJ's team "cheated" in using the same base programming language, but NDS eventually found a solution after, that their idea "won" despise nobody ever get to recognise it except themselves. He never gave up and has shown his ability. But one weakness that he has is because he has cheated before, and thus he felt that he don't deserve certain things that he have which he achieved by his own. It is a bad behavior in cheating that could result in a bad habit. He has never cheated ever since the incident, but because he fell in love with SDM, he cheated once again and again, in his way as he really didn't want to lose SDM even though they were together due to a lie.

Despite being a lie, the lie involved HJP himself. HJP wanted NDS to lie in the first place, and thus NDS eventually follows along. Some of his actions were according to HJP's wishes, but most of them were swayed and he acted on his own because he accidentally fell in love for SDM. NDS realised that HJP also fell for SDM, and wanted to selfishly keep the love to himself with SDM. All these relationship conflicts result in why we felt HJP would have deserved SDM more. I totally understand, but I would like to point out that all characters are important in their roles in building the characters we see till the latest episode. Why is NDS like this? Because that would have made him a lot to say. The image of him being a selfish person, a liar, a person with low self-esteem kills him to be in the conflict of why he don't deserve to be the main male lead as compared to HJP. But all these traits are the things that his character would grow to improve so that he would become a better NDS. Even though SDM is hurt, but NDS really love her and hence didn't want her to involve with HJP as much as possible in his own way. That doesn't mean his method is correct, but from my point of view. I can understand his actions, as he felt anxious in losing SDM to HJP if her feelings swayed when she knew the truth.

HJP on the other side, realised a bit late for his feelings with SDM. Eventually he confessed to her and said every truth without a single lie. His character has portrayed very well ethics and manners, and have so far been portrayed as a successful role model to most people. He indeed is a very nice person for SDM to be with, as he lacks "nothing". But "nothing" in a character to improve is also a reason why he may not be the male lead. He gains more emotion and found comfort in a family despite being in a less rich and less comfortable environment when he realised he loved SDM. He has his rich house and nice bed to sleep, but choose to stay over at Grandmother's house. Do note, the words I described are subjective. Back when he was young, he chose money because he wants to live comfortably. But now when he found love, he is okay with "poverty" over his "monetary". Something along this line. Again, I'm using terms to described what I see, so pardon with my English.

So far, because of all these incidents, all characters have development. The storyline may not be the best in depicting what it is trying to portray, but I felt that I am able to be able to read and understand the thinking and actions of each individual characters. For example, WIJ appears a little bit evil, but I don't really hate her as there are points which I sympathise about her for in the later part of the story.

HJP suddenly turned into a rich financial genius from that kid we first saw in episode 1, is something that I don't see any relationship of myself with. He is the least I can relate, because I don't see any failure in life that he went through, other than being poor and orphan at one point of his life. 15 years from the storyline, he led a comfortable life, with nice clothes and a car.

NDS on the other hand appears more successful at the start as a kid, but turned out to be nothing more than just a normal human I can experience. Lying, having low self-esteemed, and etcetera, is something that I personally have experienced in my life as well. The stories of NDS and I might not be the same or exact similar, but such flaws itself in a character is how we would like to see in improvement and how he become a better person in picture.

Like I mentioned, there is no stand between who's good, who's better, but because of the current direction of the drama, I choose to feel how I can feel as each characters display their emotions, and how they make their decisions and take their actions of their choice to proceed with the plot. The 4 "main" characters introduced are necessarily to build one another, as they influenced one another to be who they are today as compared to "yesterday".

I wrote a previous post about a day or two ago and I'm continuing a bit on my point as there seem to be some misunderstanding on what I am conveying. I do admit that I sounded like I sided more towards NDS instead of HJP but let me clear off the stand here, as my posts are getting lengthy, bear with me. Please kindly read the full post.

First of all, it is true that NDS lied and play a little "dirty" in his relationship with SDM. It is also true that due to certain incident, HJP would have ended be the one with SDM instead, as his character portrayed is clean and his actions has showed that he deserved SDM more than NDS. Every little details, every single pros and cons of whatever each characters are portraying are relatable fiction. The story and characters aren't real, but the signs and things that they experienced, do happen in real life.

What I stand for is the direction of what the writer is trying to convey here in this drama, and not so much about who will end up with SDM. The reason why I mentioned unbias stand is because I've seen too much comments either shipping NDS with SDM or HJP with SDM. From what I see is that if you ship NDS with SDM, then you'll commonly be painting black about HJP, and vice versa.

Start-Up is the way it is now because of all its script and credits to the actors/casts for being able to act so well to display the traits of each of its characters, according to the direction of what the writer wants to portray. It has never been the case of the direction of what you want to see on screen. A story of a drama/ a show will never ever meet the expectation of everybody, and will never ever satisfy everyone. Everyone will have their own personal outlook of what they would want to see, but is that the point of such drama? It is a fact that HJP is not the cast as the main Male Lead in Start-Up. That is a fact that everyone has to accept. From what I see the drama is going, I feel that SDM will end up with NDS. If there is a twist, then that's good news too. Because all are based on the direction of what the writer wants to convey in the drama. But whether it happens or not, it's all up to their control, not ours. The show has already been aired, which means that all the acting and scenes have already been wrapped up. Whether the show would go directly to your direction, it's not in your control. So why get so bothered about what should happen or what should not, and forget that a show is to display a story, for us to learn lessons in life that we should and should not do?

Specifically speaking, NDS did lied in a relationship. This is something that we should not learn from him. Also specifically speaking, HJP did missed his chance to be with SDM. Period. What's one thing to learn from HJP? Wrong decision made and then regret. Time does not playback. You make decisions with every actions and you bear the consequences for each decision you make in your life. Don't get too caught up with what's wrong with characters or things that they should have done better, because time doesn't turn back. If you have specific direction towards this story, then go ahead and make one of your own. I understand the feels from HJP's perspective that he deserves better. But finding the actual NDS was the decision he made in his life in this drama then he needs to bear all the consequences for SDM falling in love with that NDS and not him. It's not something that he expected it to happen, we know it. But that's the direction of what the writer wants us to feel, do take some time to accept it. SDM is currently confused but she will ultimately make her decision who she wants to be with. It's not something we can decide for either of them, so why not just enjoy the storyline of what each characters are trying to convey in this drama? If HJP didn't find that actual NDS but tells the truth that he is the NDS in the letter, then he might have ended up with SDM already. But this is not something that happened in the drama. We can't change that, so move on. NDS have many flaws as compared to HJP as a character, I'm sure we all agree on that. NDS may have lied many times in his life due to his insecurities and what's not, but he did slowly admit his past and present mistakes. He also have many regrets and decisions he wished he would have made better. Whether he has improved in being a better person? Give him the chance as this drama has yet to end for you to find out. HJP on the other hand is quite perfect on his own. Other than not having any parents loving him in his growth, as well as being very independent on his own journey, his character growth has nothing much to learn on my perspective, not as much as NDS in this drama play. Why I mentioned previously on HJP being self-centered is mostly based on one scene, where he asked NDS to act out the NDS in the letter and straight forward giving no chance to SanSam Tech, having that confidence that NDS's business would fail no matter what. He has stated something about his vision has never been wrong and he cared about his success rate. He will only mentor business which he sees the value of success. Those that he didn't mentor because he foresee that their business fail, really failed in the end. I'm unable to quote out the exact words he used in this scene so pardon me if there is any mistake. Subsequently once he is with SDM and NDS in the drama, he's not that self-centreed. But what I mean prior to his journey to grow as a character, he seemed self-centred because he basically lack "nothing". If anyone feels that the term "self-centred" is not the right words to use, then pardon me as well. My English vocabulary ain't that great as yours but I hope you understood what I meant. HJP also displays very little feelings to Young-Sil in the beginning, until he felt Young-Sil is growing on him. HJP is starting to have his own character growth since. And also, SanSam Tech seems to at least have a better direction in the later episode in the drama. Would they really "fail" as what HJP were to say in the beginning to NDS and his team? Meeting the right people and giving the chance to mentor I believed would have change the outcome according to this drama. Again, this is fictional, but I see it as that is what the writer is trying to convey as a message to people about Start-Up. This again, is also not the main point, but to answer on the 'evidence' one person asked me regarding on my previous stand. Not the correct word used by me, but do understand what I am seeing here regarding on the lessons I learnt in this drama.

I agreed that what NDS did when he is with SDM all along since are not correct decisions he should make in life. But making wrong decisions are what makes him human. Making wrong decisions are what make us, human. We all make wrong decisions before. Admit it, we do lie at certain points in our life as well, and we do have regrets just like HJP, for not being able to display his love for SDM sooner. Not everyone of us may be the same or understands what is going on, but it's definitely relatable to most of us.

Why I previously mentioned NDS deserves SDM or HJP deserves SDM the same is because, most of the downs that SDM experienced were with NDS. It doesn't change the fact that he played a little dirty to be there with her, but it also doesn't change the fact that the person who is physically around and readily be made available to SDM, was him in this drama (the actual NDS). Please kindly stop debating on what would have happened better if HJP had expressed his love earlier and that SDM would have been together with HJP, such that HJP could have done the same as this NDS or even better, to make each other stronger. I believed we all have the right to fantasize the direction of what we would like to see on screen. But again, that is not the point of this drama, and hence my words of standing unbias.

I felt that each of the main characters are relatable, and we shouldn't be judging on what's wrong with them or what kind of decisions/actions they should have taken. That is what a story is for. We get to learn from the characters to do the things that we feel is right, and to really execute what's right in own personal life. We would not be 100% clear of our decisions whether they would set us to the right path or not, but we have to bear the consequences of the decisions we make. There's no time for regrets. We've got to just keep moving forward. If we knew how certain things would turn out, who wouldn't want the option to rewind and to set things "right" again just like the drama "The Miracle We Met".

Again, my point is about understanding the direction of the story it conveys, learning from the mistakes and life lessons displayed by the wonderful actors and actresses in this drama. We all have the right to fantasize and have that feels for any individuals in the drama, but please don't get too caught up with what you feel should happen in this drama or what you would have done differently if you are the writer. Go ahead and write your own story instead if you want certain things to happen. But respect what is there for us here in this drama, and what the story of this drama tells according to the writer. Period.

I don't think I mentioned HJP as a painted Bad person.

I truly believed that there is a reason why HJP is involved in this love triangle for a reason in the plot.

At first, he was an orphan who excel in investing, but being poor and hungry at the point of time with some pride that he have. He is underage so his talent couldn't be utilise without an adult's help. Grandmother's grace gave him food and shelter that he needs, and he helped her with financial solutions that solve the solution of her not needing to leave cold hard cash in her shop which people could just take it if she invited anyone like HJP himself to the shop to stay for the night.

HJP himself mentioned that he was tempted to take the money but in the end he didn't because he have morals. He saw the opportunity to utilise Grandmother's bank account he helped her to create and he made good investment money to live in a good sheltered place of his own, but he misunderstood her when he thought she gave all his earning to her son. Grandmother gave all her own money to her son, returned the money that wasn't hers yet still bought a new shoes for HJP to wear to Seoul. How a graceful soul one can be like Grandmother. She is a Saint, someone we would love but we know we don't deserve to have in our lives, because of the bad things we did in our past.

HJP in the present story, lacks nothing in possession. He has reputation and wealth, something that his talent in investment helped to create the shelter he wanted, and he will not ever feel the same state of hunger he felt during the time he was poor and hungry again. He also have plenty of high technology belongings that serve his wants and needs.

That's it? What about HJP's character growth? HJP's life was inclined to Grandmother in his early life, and I felt it was natural to link his life again back to Grandmother and SDM again.

Without Grandmother and SDM, I felt that HJP lacks emotion. He felt loved by Grandmother in his teenage years but 15 years later, he was on his own. He was very strict and direct in the things he say to other people and businesses without considering how they would feel. When his opinion according to his experience about a business will fail, he said that they will really fail. He even suggested NDS's group to find other jobs to do as SanSam Tech will sure to fail as a business. Later in the episodes, then he mentioned that SanSam Tech needs a CEO that can help them. What does this imply?

With his relationship with SDM, there are actually solutions towards the things that he mentioned are destined to fail. I felt that if HJP really want to do it, things are possible. Now SanSam Tech didn't fail as far as he previously mentioned to them, correct? SanSam Tech is growing as a business with SDM's lead although they have yet to find a Profitable solution to their business model.

But the main point is, I believed HJP's main point of his character growth comes from his relationship. He lacks love in his process of growing up and this feeling allowed him to feel confused and feel sad. Previously, he felt that he was sure that business he mentioned couldn't succeed, they didn't succeed, and he only feels angry when he is pissed or angry when things don't go his way. He has never felt confused or sad about anything until he met SDM in real life and remembering about his past relationship with Grandmother, and thus reconnecting with her.

I believed a story comes with character growth. If HJP mainly acts as a mentor for them like you said, I think HJP's life is really boring in this drama, because he already achieved what he has achieved, and there is nothing more to change or to see.