Nepeta 22

OK, sorry to hear you dropped it at episode 13. It was a really beautifully made drama and maybe it didn't hold interest for you in the earlier episodes.

In my opinion very underrated. It had a Douban rating of 6.9 which is quite high for Xianxias.

May I ask why you didn't like A Moment But Forever? I actually thought it was one of the more intelligently written Xian xia dramas with superb acting from its cast.

Yes I heard that. So looking forward to this. Anyone know how many episodes for this drama?

Same with me. All male and female characters should be viewed evenly. Less of just zooming in on just the female characters and ignoring male character flaws.

I only commented because I keep seeing so many opinions on female characters. As Amana says in her original post, whatever she's being portrayed like, there's an army of posters ready to make criticism. I would not have said anything if I had seen the same level of criticism on male characters! Anyway, enjoy the rest of the drama...

I can imagine 😅, I think some of this is because some are so jaded with repeated tropes that keep returning. Maybe some female characters can look like decoration to uplift the ML's role. Or, some FL's are so unrealistically written and viewers cannot empathise with their actions.

Fine, it's good for discussions. But I have seen on other pages where they are called bitch and they want to rip the actress's hair out! Honestly, it's sometimes getting bit crazy.

With all that pent up energy, they should be talking about the drama makers and the source novels they keep adapting. The performers are just doing their job. Unless they are not very good at portraying their roles there is no need for such attacks.

It's not forced, it's just an opinion. I think you are over-thinking too much.

I don't want to take up too much of the comments section on these types of subjects, but it's sometimes hard to ignore when some comments keep coming up 😉.

As I said, critiquing female characters are fine. It's only when some get personal and they seldom talk about the directors/scriptwriters / novelists, but instead hone in at the actress.

I am not trying to put people off when talking about the actress. I myself have made negative comments on her acting in the past. But most of the comments here tend to centre on her being too childish. But the director has given it the green-light, so the production is the one that needs discussing rather than just talking about the character and her voice.

Also, I find viewers are getting more and more impatient and expect female characters to be exactly how they want them so even if there will be growth, they don't like to wait and see. They just want them there from the beginning. That's not how you should view/approach dramas.

Don't worry, these types of comments tend to flush out those that go to spaces where they think they can try and spot women who try and have a voice of reason. They tend to show all signs of fear that women may take over the world. You will see them always jumping on any scenes where women get things done or have men dropping everything for female characters or characters that look like they're bashing the ML. 😉

No need to say no man as if every single man will think like that. Your comment is problematic, Some men may think like that. But not all. The difference with my opinion is the observation is known world-wide by those that care and can see a pattern, but it is often pushed away and buried by mainstream media and outlets because it will cause certain sections to rise up which is already seen to bash women as if they have too much power.

There is a big effort to shame those that speak up as 'woke' or generalise that women are gaining so much voice and viewpoint, those that didn't even know they had privileges before now pipe up and start shouting like it's the end of the world. And by the way, some of those are also women doing it. But they are unaware how they came to that viewpoint, and I am just saying how it came to be.

As for girl boss comment. That is a reaction to what some sections of society feel they need to do to get by in a 'man's' world. I don't subscribe to that. Women can be what they want, more masculine or feminine, that's not what I care about.

I am only here to state how large portions of women end up being over critical of women characters which ever way they're portrayed, yet seemingly stay silent when male characters have similar flaws. It's called giving it a pass.

It's called moving the goal post. But sadly what you write is the classic 'male-identified woman' who is totally unaware they are brainwashed in a male dominated world and have now adopted the male's view-point. It's not an accident. This has affected many cultures and communities around the world. I can see some MDL posters haven't woken up yet.

There's a difference between genuine dissection of characters (poor acting skills, and storylines that don't make sense for female characters) to others that end up calling them names, often negative ones. Rather than label a character annoying or irritating, more comments need to be made about scriptwriters and novelists who are the real issue, not always the performer.

Zhou Yiran finally shown in the cast. Don't know why they kept that all hush.

OK, no wonder I see so many time travel and rebirth dramas. I guess there's a lot of confusion and misunderstandings on what's so-called outright banned. Looks like it's more a headline blanket statement.

Anyway, enjoy the drama!

Thanks for the link. I know what you mean. Answers are never straight forward. It's just like when they say no rebirth dramas, or time travel, but we see loads of those. But, I suspect it's a lot more complex about what the ban actually means. I mean, I'm watching time travel theme drama at the moment and it's also in a modern day setting!

OK, I see a lot of people enjoy these dramas so the drama makers make more of it. I guess it's like a costume drama soap opera. I prefer Jianghu and supernatural themes. Detective stuff from historic to modern day. Just glad there's enough dramas to cover all that.

Got it. Good job I don't like those types of dramas! It's just an excuse to have mindless tittle-tattle goings-on that go round and round in circles. Total waste of drama time. But I guess there is a market for this type of drama that usually pit women against women.

It's complicated. Going with the main story, FL loves ML first but he has his eye on another person at that time.

Yes, I can see they're not banned, just more scrutinised if it follows some real life historical events. But I don't understand the harem drama ban. Do you know why they would be banned? I don't get it. I have seen comments like that but no one ever says why.

Yes, I knew it was not banned as I saw a few dramas myself recently, but now I know it's because the era is more better recorded so how it's portrayed may be scrutinised more, especially if the drama is more or less using real historical figures or parts where history have been documented more officially.

I did watch A Love Never Lost and I am glad I did. I knew it would be difficult to watch and it was, but sometimes, dramas like this should be made, but with careful consideration and consultation with historians from all angles/backgrounds. I don't know how much was edited or cut but it was a very memorable drama and it's still one that lingers on for me.

Interesting, I didn't know they were like gangs. That may make sense if it glorifies or glamourise them. Maybe they may modify it a bit otherwise all that work seems like a waste. I think the opium trade was part of the drama. Looking at the synopsis for this drama again, and as others have pointed out to me, it's a completely different set up.

As for the way Qing dynasty dramas are scrutinised, that's news to me. I saw someone write that further down in the comments here and wondered whether that was the reason The Thirteen Hongs of Canton has not come out.

I didn't know it's vertical. I was searching on my laptop. That's probably why I can't find it. I don't like dramas like that. I guess this is going to be a miss. Thanks for letting me know.