Seriously?That has to be the lamest motivation for crimes that I've ever seen? And two people willing to collude…
and, omfg, right up to the end he is going to patronizingly leave her unaware of the danger she's in? she's an adult. this weird thing that these dramas do where a "caring" person takes away someone else's agency by not informing them such that they can make wise decisions for themselves is insulting. Who does that? And, especially after everything they've already been through.
I absolutely hate these writers. They need to find another profession.
That has to be the lamest motivation for crimes that I've ever seen? And two people willing to collude to commit violent crimes and corruption, while jeopardizing medicine for that same motivation?
What a waste of a watch. Sound and fury signifying nothing.
I agree that something is off with the production. It does feel contrived and more like a stage play. Too much…
I agree that it's better that it's not about romance. I wasn't making my commentary about a romantic dynamic. It was about any dynamic. Everything feels unnatural, between the sets and the dubbing, things and characters don't feel connected.
I am interested in her character's story and she's a great actress, so I'l l probably just enjoy seeing what her character goes through. It's simply not as engrossing as other times I've seen her, because everything around her feels off.
This is low production drama . Most of the scenes are shooted using green screen and choppy editing. The dynamics…
I actually prefer it to be not romance. I enjoy her character for her own journey. It wasn't romantic dynamic I was missing. Somehow, everything feels disconnected. Between odd sets and the dubbing, things don't feel at all natural.
What I meant by my age comment is that I really adore this actress, yet, somehow, with the styling, they made her look older than she is in real life. That is confusing, since her character is supposed to younger than his.
Six year age difference and it shows but she's all over him in acting ability.
Totally agree there. She's a fabulous actress. She's why I'm watching. This wasn't meant to dismiss her. What I was saying is that, whatever they did with her styling makes her appear much older than him and that's confusing, since, in the story, she's supposed to be younger. I don't care about their actual ages (as long as they're both adults.)
I'm in ep 4 and something just feels off with the production. I feel as if I'm watching a stage play rather than drama/film. The sets simply don't seem real and everything feels contrived, even the dialogue. It all feels a bit wooden with no real dynamic connections between anyone other than maybe the FL and her friend. Is it all just moving too fast? Why am I struggling to be pulled in by it?
Also, is the FL supposed to be younger than the ML? She looks much older, as if she could be his aunt. This is confusing me.
Truth is the second revenge reeks of the writer's desperation to try and rinse out more forced angst. They simply…
the whole hating anyone who was adjacent to something bad that happened to you is not working for me, either. There is just a whole lot of hate swarming around. Is there something in the water?
Everyone is either hating him or patronizing him. He's a doctor and then a successful war pilot. But, they all treat him as though they know what's better for him and give him zero agency in his own life. He needs to hop on a boat a more laid back place, like, maybe Tahiti.
As for her "hating" him because of what happened to her parents. (Am I getting that right? I stopped watching, but this is what I'm gather from what I'm seeing here.) He was a child. He didn't cause anything. And she knows his history, via his family, and how he is already being blamed and hated on for things that happened when he was a child. AND she knows that he went to prison and was permanently disabled over a murder that she committed. She has no right to have any judgement of him, at all. She's a user.
A big part of what makes everyone unlikeable is that some a-hole adults murdered your loved ones and you're going to hate on a child? You're not worth knowing. (Don't even get me started with the mother. Why the hell would anyone ever give her any respect? They can see the unjust and irrational ways she treats people. She needs to be locked up.)
I find it all to be horrible storytelling. The first time she abandoned him and turned a cold shoulder should have been the end of any feelings he had for her. What is there to be attached to? She doesn't do attachment. How would you ever trust her again? What is love without trust? So, what's the point of any of it? What exactly is he supposed to like about her? Once she doesn't have revenge plans, what exactly is she going to be doing with herself? What would you even talk to her about?
I was hanging in there to see if there were going to be interesting character developments.
Stopped watching when she chose revenge a second time. One could argue that the first time, she felt compelled to save the women who were still captive.
This second time, though, there is no real need. It is not going to change anything. It is purely that she is more driven by rage than love.
I don't want them to be together. There are almost no likable characters.
What's the Chinese word for "makjang"? This feels like one. You watch it for the inanity of it all.
It's seriously that bad? Is it the plot? Or the actors? The FL is crazy young to be playing this role.I don't…
I hear you. My sister loves shorts. I only meant that they tend to be a form of compressed storytelling similar to shorts. The rest of my critique was not related to shorts.
But that's how the entertainment industry works. No one ever gonna invest more or same amount of money for a sequel,…
Why is this even a discussion? No one is suggesting that she reprise the role.
That said, but a good actor doesn't think of roles that way. If the role is challenging and would give them an opportunity to exercise their acting skills, they would want to do it. Plenty of "superstars" have taken on roles where the character was not the most dignified. What the character goes through is not a reflection on the actor. The acting skill is.
Anyway, 'What planet do you live on" is not exactly civil dialog. So, I'll stop here. Do your straw man thing with somebody else.
But that's how the entertainment industry works. No one ever gonna invest more or same amount of money for a sequel,…
I don't even understand the "suits her career" comment. She's an actress. And that role is complex and challenging. I would think it would be more interesting to do than the same ole same ole.
That said, who said anything about having Li Qin back? Replacing the actors made sense. They're all 10 years older, but their characters have only aged a few months. The actors aren't the problem here.
The writing is awful. It's like I'm watching a short. There is no development of relationships between characters. Each one is a like a lone actor who happens to be forced to dialogue with other people as they walk through their days. The characters have no, well, character. There is no depth. They are cardboard cutouts.
There was no setup of the people, their relationships or the context of the story, other than a narrator's monologue. I know it's a sequel, but it's 10 years later. You have to get people to attach to these characters again, but there is nothing to hold onto. I even watched PA again before starting this and I still couldn't feel anything for anything. I feel like I'm just being dragged through one near-death experience to another, with no reason to care. If I cared about the characters I'd be too emotionally exhausted to keep watching, at this pace. (I'm only on ep8 and not sure I will continue.)
Why are there so many posing moments? How many Vogue shots does one drama need? Especially when there is no real buildup.
What even was that scene on the mountain top with the bird? All this talk about a fire ritual and then it's just birds? They nearly killed a whole battalion dragging their butts up to a flat rock? That whole scene was a nothing burger, but we had to have a glamour shot at the end?
The whole things, so far, is just flat. I'm being dragged through a plot (that I hope makes sense in the end) without any context of place and people and the cultures of those people.
Why is the dialog so dry? rat-tat-tat-tat-tat. It's just rapid fire with no finesse. (Maybe the Mandarin is more prose-like than the English translation?)
Zhang Kangle wasn't that bad. His biggest problem was that Shawn Dou was spectacular in Princess Agents and it…
Agreed. When I saw the first scene with Lin Yun Rui, I thought, "Ok. Not a bad actor change. He's good for this." But, seriously, no one could replace Shawn Dau. That was just too iconic. He totally stole the show in PA. Anyone else was going to seem dull.
The bigger problem is that the writing and the production quality is so low that there is nothing the actors could do to save it. The characters are written like cardboard cutouts.
I absolutely hate these writers. They need to find another profession.
That has to be the lamest motivation for crimes that I've ever seen? And two people willing to collude to commit violent crimes and corruption, while jeopardizing medicine for that same motivation?
What a waste of a watch. Sound and fury signifying nothing.
I am interested in her character's story and she's a great actress, so I'l l probably just enjoy seeing what her character goes through. It's simply not as engrossing as other times I've seen her, because everything around her feels off.
What I meant by my age comment is that I really adore this actress, yet, somehow, with the styling, they made her look older than she is in real life. That is confusing, since her character is supposed to younger than his.
Also, is the FL supposed to be younger than the ML? She looks much older, as if she could be his aunt. This is confusing me.
Everyone is either hating him or patronizing him. He's a doctor and then a successful war pilot. But, they all treat him as though they know what's better for him and give him zero agency in his own life. He needs to hop on a boat a more laid back place, like, maybe Tahiti.
As for her "hating" him because of what happened to her parents. (Am I getting that right? I stopped watching, but this is what I'm gather from what I'm seeing here.) He was a child. He didn't cause anything. And she knows his history, via his family, and how he is already being blamed and hated on for things that happened when he was a child. AND she knows that he went to prison and was permanently disabled over a murder that she committed. She has no right to have any judgement of him, at all. She's a user.
A big part of what makes everyone unlikeable is that some a-hole adults murdered your loved ones and you're going to hate on a child? You're not worth knowing. (Don't even get me started with the mother. Why the hell would anyone ever give her any respect? They can see the unjust and irrational ways she treats people. She needs to be locked up.)
I find it all to be horrible storytelling. The first time she abandoned him and turned a cold shoulder should have been the end of any feelings he had for her. What is there to be attached to? She doesn't do attachment. How would you ever trust her again? What is love without trust? So, what's the point of any of it? What exactly is he supposed to like about her? Once she doesn't have revenge plans, what exactly is she going to be doing with herself? What would you even talk to her about?
I was hanging in there to see if there were going to be interesting character developments.
This second time, though, there is no real need. It is not going to change anything. It is purely that she is more driven by rage than love.
I don't want them to be together. There are almost no likable characters.
What's the Chinese word for "makjang"? This feels like one. You watch it for the inanity of it all.
However, the Han Joo Won being so obsessed with catching/punishing Lee Dong Sik, even after he knows that he's not the murderer, is getting tedious.
That said, but a good actor doesn't think of roles that way. If the role is challenging and would give them an opportunity to exercise their acting skills, they would want to do it. Plenty of "superstars" have taken on roles where the character was not the most dignified. What the character goes through is not a reflection on the actor. The acting skill is.
Anyway, 'What planet do you live on" is not exactly civil dialog. So, I'll stop here. Do your straw man thing with somebody else.
That said, who said anything about having Li Qin back? Replacing the actors made sense. They're all 10 years older, but their characters have only aged a few months. The actors aren't the problem here.
The writing is awful. It's like I'm watching a short. There is no development of relationships between characters. Each one is a like a lone actor who happens to be forced to dialogue with other people as they walk through their days. The characters have no, well, character. There is no depth. They are cardboard cutouts.
There was no setup of the people, their relationships or the context of the story, other than a narrator's monologue. I know it's a sequel, but it's 10 years later. You have to get people to attach to these characters again, but there is nothing to hold onto. I even watched PA again before starting this and I still couldn't feel anything for anything. I feel like I'm just being dragged through one near-death experience to another, with no reason to care. If I cared about the characters I'd be too emotionally exhausted to keep watching, at this pace. (I'm only on ep8 and not sure I will continue.)
Why are there so many posing moments? How many Vogue shots does one drama need? Especially when there is no real buildup.
What even was that scene on the mountain top with the bird? All this talk about a fire ritual and then it's just birds? They nearly killed a whole battalion dragging their butts up to a flat rock? That whole scene was a nothing burger, but we had to have a glamour shot at the end?
The whole things, so far, is just flat. I'm being dragged through a plot (that I hope makes sense in the end) without any context of place and people and the cultures of those people.
Why is the dialog so dry? rat-tat-tat-tat-tat. It's just rapid fire with no finesse. (Maybe the Mandarin is more prose-like than the English translation?)
The bigger problem is that the writing and the production quality is so low that there is nothing the actors could do to save it. The characters are written like cardboard cutouts.