FL's assistant is spraying pesticide inside a residence. FL is sitting next to her and they're chatting, with NO protective gear on, while she pumps out those toxic chemicals.
At every turn, they couldn't be bothered to make things at all realistic. From the very beginning where she is pushed into the water and her body has zero instinctual response to try and get to the surface. He pushed her on the torso. She wasn't hit over the head. There is no reason for her to just go limp and sink.
The only thing they got right is capitalism is game where the cheaters win.
Somehow, though, I'm entertained. Something to knit to.
You really don't understand the story, the shaman said to Eunbo that she needs to stay away to King because something…
you don't seem to understand the difference between expressing an opinion - I like this drama - vs being offensive to someone who has a different opinion - "you're biased" "other, broad-minded...." (insinuating that the person you decided you just had to engage with is narrow-minded.)
You do realize that you could have just scrolled on by and let someone else's opinion simply exist?
wait. what? why did they have the images of her on the boat with the panther, then? it's not clear that a human could survive in the Carefree Land. So, ok. But, that image made a strong suggestion and kept waiting to see that scene. oh well.
Is it just me? It's so unrealistic that the FL and her biz partner can develop 3D printing of prosthetics in just a few months, when:
No one on the team is a medical specialist None of them have any background in 3D printing or prosthetics. They have no subjects for whom they can test the custom fit; or any fit, at all, for that matter.
It is not an idea that no one else has come up with. What makes anything they are doing innovative? Or, why are they able to execute it, with no background or resources, when others haven't?
I want to like the story, but, as an old school computer programmer and someone with an MBA, the business scenes are absolutely unwatchable. Though I do like all the actors.
Yu En Tai is definitely one the more chilling villains I've seen. From the beginning, even when we didn't know anything, he just felt creepy. I hope he's having fun doing it. I need to go see him in something else, where is character is normal, to get the ick out of my bones, when I see his face.
Some after thoughts…the screen play decided to kill off FL’s mom to show use that she has to suffer her retribution…
I keep thinking that, if she's not careful, she can be just like her dad. That cold glare, how automatically she generates complicated schemes, and no concern for risk.
No one is saying that Li Landi is not pretty. The character she plays, however, has some issues.One of the main…
No one is saying that this is the alternative to not belittling her for not pursuing the beauty standard,
You really can't see the difference between, "we absolutely support you being you" and the sister's constant belittling of her? I am one of three sisters. We all have different personalities and priorities. Our parents tried to box us into roles, but we ended up refusing those. Because, "roles" are a way for children to compare themselves to one another in a detrimental way. It's a well-known abuse tactic in family psychology.
I'm now a parent. My daughter is not at all interested in any beauty standard. Yay for her! She has other interests and shines in other ways and I am 100% supportive of her and adore her for who she is.
So, look back at what I wrote and ask yourself why you're willfully misinterpreting what I'm writing.
I'm not tying self-worth to appearance, at all. I'm asserting, based on actual experience and study of family psychology, that the constant comparison, the sister's arrogance toward the FL and what is clearly a lifetime of lording her superior beauty over sister is very psychologically damaging. Its not what a loving family member would ever do.
Legitimate criticism about a family member's behavior or choices, which are either harm to themselves or others is one thing. "criticism" about not being pretty enough is not criticism. It's buying into the idea of beauty privilege and then punching down.
No one is saying that Li Landi is not pretty. The character she plays, however, has some issues.One of the main…
I'm sorry, I have to disagree. There are several conversations between the sisters where her sister is telling her that she is inferior because she is not as pretty. And, it's clear that this dynamic has been going on for a long time.
You can't say "they fell into roles" and claim there is nothing toxic/abusive about it. How did they "fall" into them? Clearly, the parents let that happen and never countered it. The older sister used those roles to prop up her ego and break down the ego of the younger sister. She also, likely, knew that her sister suffered socially, so she was compounding that rather than offsetting it out of compassion. It may not be physically violent, but it crushed her sense of self-worth. That's abusive,
I'm only at episode 7. the humor, so far, is so well done. love all the Lost You Forever references.
It's fantasy and it's humor, still, the hardest part to suspend disbelief of is the claim that Landi Li is not pretty.
It's one thing for outsiders who spend only a little time with her to not see her beauty, because she's awkward and different. But, it's the sister and family part that I find hard to swallow. Why is her own family a) focusing on appearance so much; and b) making her feel unattractive her entire life, when she's actually very pretty? They couldn't make the story without the abusive sister? (who redeems herself a bit by becoming an ally, but that doesn't erase the lifetime effect she's had, her vanity, and her arrogance.
Anyway, loving the comedy. They're all so good in their roles! (I am especially enjoying Gu Yu and Lin Yuan. I wish we'd see more of Zhao Jin Li, as that actor does humor quite well. I guess his is more of a cameo role.
Most of east Asia is just high context cultures. If you're used to being more direct in your communication then…
I'm not saying that I don't get it. I'm simply saying it feels so similar to the other drama, which just came out recently.
I'm sure that her reason for the harsh break up will be different, but the plot of what happens between the two people is so much the same that I think I'll wait a while to watch the rest, because it feels like I just watched it.
I'm just starting this and it feels a lot like Love Song In Winter. Girl lies, in a harsh way, to boy she's seriously dating, in order to break up. Years later, they meet again and have to sort it all out. I do prefer not having the whole police/master villain melodrama, though.
So, is there something about Chinese culture where people can't be honest about why they are leaving a relationship? Or can't tell someone about something they are going through which is impacting them? And is there some unspoken rule that when you do break up, you have to be cruel to the other person? Because I don't get why this is such a common trope.
I'm thoroughly enjoying his performance as King Ning in Flourished Peony. He can be so lovely, and has been in several roles recently. Here, though, he is masterfully menacing. Its nice to see him get to exercise different acting muscles!
Addictive, despite being totally ridiculous at times. 🌸 Cruel FL (towards ML). Some might hate her but I didn’t…
FL: I don't hate her. Can't be bothered. I do think the writing for her is stupid. I'm only on ep 16, and she's willing to take away any political power the ML has and get him killed, just so she doesn't have to reveal that he's the biological father of her child? Am I supposed to believe, somehow, that she actually loves him? She sure seems to be reaping a hell of lot of revenge on him, rather than the people she's supposedly aiming for.
Romance: it's nothing but toxic. They grew up together - after he literally saved her life and pushed him mom to adopt her - and then married, because, supposedly, they were so bonded. Yes, she was told he was dead. But, he's not, now. Rather than seeing him as a partner and planning together, so that she doesn't further traumatize someone who's been through a shit load trauma, she heaps it on, starting immediately upon him learning that the wife he survived for married someone else. It's like high octane makjang - cruelty version. No matter what "chemistry" they might have, I cannot see any of this as romantic. He needs trauma recovery assistance and to stay as far away from her as he can. She's twisted. No. This is not romance.
Yes, the skinship has been more energized than some - though it makes my skin crawl.
Agree on your X's. Him being a doormat for her and literally begging for humiliation all the time was hard to watch. At least, it was understandable, given all the trauma.
I'm stopping at 16. I simply can't imagine what they could possible fill 26 more episodes with that would make this a decent story.
In a historical context, she does have a right to separate them. Also, she is not trampling the male lead. By…
For me, the cruel part is that she doesn't just go after revenge, she actively says the cruelest things to the ML, even when people are not around. He's just come back from barely surviving a brutal seven years on the battlefield, to find out that his wife is married to someone else. Do you, if you love this person, tell them their accomplishments are nothing? Do you haughtily extol the virtues of being in the family which caused the deaths of all of his family members? It's absolutely cruel. She knows it's breaking him. He's out of mind from PTSD and the idea that the only thing which kept him fighting for his life, since he had no family, was to get back to her.
If she loves him at all, which I'm not sure how she defines that, she would see him as more of a partner and tell him what she's up to. If she loves him, why is she keeping the identity of his son from him? It's very patronizing - or, in this case, matronizing.
I have only watched a few episodes, so I don't what happens down the line. But, whatever her revenge motivations, she's using a strategy which feels as if she's also getting revenge on him. I want him to realize that she's a superficial and cold-hearted person who has no sense of commitment to a friend (for pete's sake they grew up together! How do you treat someone you've known that long the way she does? As a child, he got his family to adopt her, so that she didn't die in a cave, but she's going to humiliate him all the time, now? wtaf?), much less a romantic partner. If she manages to help take the Zhou family down, great. But, he's better off without this fair weather woman. What a horribly written character. She's wholly unlikable.
Coerced relationship sare not due the same considerations as those which are entered into without coercion.
Why aren't people noting that the ML was utterly devastated and in a deep depression after the rich girl's daddy destroyed his career and life? Then, she stalks him and insists that she likes him. She pushed him into a relationship, while he was down. Psychologically, he didn't have the capacity to consent. What he did was accept that option over processing the pain her family had caused him. Its the same concept of there being no real consent possible if someone is drunk. An impaired person cannot consent. Being traumatized is a state of impairment.
He's never said that he loves her. She has pushed for every stage of development in their relationship. Its not one of equity. She's preying on his vulnerability: both his psychological frailty and his lower social status.
If he has the wherewithal to end things with her before starting another relationship, wow, what a super human being. But, most of us aren't super human. We're just muddling along as best we can, with all the damage we've taken along the way. Relationships get messy because we're not impervious to psychological harm. That needs to be taken into consideration, rather than passing cold-hearted judgement based on some mythological purity screening.
What does it even serve for people to look at this character and be screaming, "he's cheating!" It ignores everything else the character has been through. And he's been through a hell of it. Still being harmed by her family, as he's put in the global spotlight for a dangerous mission that he was lied to about and will be further humiliated by. But, hey, let's just be upset that might not have the absolute grace to rise above everything he's had to live through.
What the hell? Its a story. And stories present us scenarios in order for us to consider all the things which impact the people in them. But, here, we're just going to ignore all the trauma he's been through and have the highest expectations?
this. feelings happen. otherwise, you're not human. if you can't stand the notion that a human you have a relationship with will have feelings towards others, don't be in relationships. actions are what matters.
also, the relationship we're referring to, between the ML and the rich daughter? It was a coerced one. Her dad destroys his life and then she shows up, when he's personally devastated and has nowhere to turn, and she stalks him and then insists on having a relationship. He was in no psychological condition to give consent, really. She compromised the relationship from the beginning, because she's from a powerful family and is used to getting what she wants. Not once has he said that he loves her and she knows it. But, for whatever reasons she has - likely complex daddy ones - she kept pushing things forward. He didn't initiate anything. He has been dragged along because his self-esteem was dragged into oblivion.
That's not a relationship that deserves any loyalty. It will nice if he can break things off, before entering into an active relationship with anyone else, but, given how much psychological damaged her family did him - and keeps doing to him - I would find it acceptable for him to be messy about things.
Maturity isn't about demanding some mythical standard of purity. Its about compassion and understanding how life happens and people are affected and broken and can only do the best with what they're living with.
FL's assistant is spraying pesticide inside a residence. FL is sitting next to her and they're chatting, with NO protective gear on, while she pumps out those toxic chemicals.
At every turn, they couldn't be bothered to make things at all realistic. From the very beginning where she is pushed into the water and her body has zero instinctual response to try and get to the surface. He pushed her on the torso. She wasn't hit over the head. There is no reason for her to just go limp and sink.
The only thing they got right is capitalism is game where the cheaters win.
Somehow, though, I'm entertained. Something to knit to.
You do realize that you could have just scrolled on by and let someone else's opinion simply exist?
it's not clear that a human could survive in the Carefree Land. So, ok. But, that image made a strong suggestion and kept waiting to see that scene. oh well.
No one on the team is a medical specialist
None of them have any background in 3D printing or prosthetics.
They have no subjects for whom they can test the custom fit; or any fit, at all, for that matter.
It is not an idea that no one else has come up with. What makes anything they are doing innovative? Or, why are they able to execute it, with no background or resources, when others haven't?
I want to like the story, but, as an old school computer programmer and someone with an MBA, the business scenes are absolutely unwatchable. Though I do like all the actors.
You really can't see the difference between, "we absolutely support you being you" and the sister's constant belittling of her? I am one of three sisters. We all have different personalities and priorities. Our parents tried to box us into roles, but we ended up refusing those. Because, "roles" are a way for children to compare themselves to one another in a detrimental way. It's a well-known abuse tactic in family psychology.
I'm now a parent. My daughter is not at all interested in any beauty standard. Yay for her! She has other interests and shines in other ways and I am 100% supportive of her and adore her for who she is.
So, look back at what I wrote and ask yourself why you're willfully misinterpreting what I'm writing.
I'm not tying self-worth to appearance, at all. I'm asserting, based on actual experience and study of family psychology, that the constant comparison, the sister's arrogance toward the FL and what is clearly a lifetime of lording her superior beauty over sister is very psychologically damaging. Its not what a loving family member would ever do.
Legitimate criticism about a family member's behavior or choices, which are either harm to themselves or others is one thing. "criticism" about not being pretty enough is not criticism. It's buying into the idea of beauty privilege and then punching down.
You can't say "they fell into roles" and claim there is nothing toxic/abusive about it. How did they "fall" into them? Clearly, the parents let that happen and never countered it. The older sister used those roles to prop up her ego and break down the ego of the younger sister. She also, likely, knew that her sister suffered socially, so she was compounding that rather than offsetting it out of compassion. It may not be physically violent, but it crushed her sense of self-worth. That's abusive,
It's fantasy and it's humor, still, the hardest part to suspend disbelief of is the claim that Landi Li is not pretty.
It's one thing for outsiders who spend only a little time with her to not see her beauty, because she's awkward and different. But, it's the sister and family part that I find hard to swallow. Why is her own family a) focusing on appearance so much; and b) making her feel unattractive her entire life, when she's actually very pretty? They couldn't make the story without the abusive sister? (who redeems herself a bit by becoming an ally, but that doesn't erase the lifetime effect she's had, her vanity, and her arrogance.
Anyway, loving the comedy. They're all so good in their roles! (I am especially enjoying Gu Yu and Lin Yuan. I wish we'd see more of Zhao Jin Li, as that actor does humor quite well. I guess his is more of a cameo role.
I'm sure that her reason for the harsh break up will be different, but the plot of what happens between the two people is so much the same that I think I'll wait a while to watch the rest, because it feels like I just watched it.
So, is there something about Chinese culture where people can't be honest about why they are leaving a relationship? Or can't tell someone about something they are going through which is impacting them? And is there some unspoken rule that when you do break up, you have to be cruel to the other person? Because I don't get why this is such a common trope.
Romance: it's nothing but toxic. They grew up together - after he literally saved her life and pushed him mom to adopt her - and then married, because, supposedly, they were so bonded. Yes, she was told he was dead. But, he's not, now. Rather than seeing him as a partner and planning together, so that she doesn't further traumatize someone who's been through a shit load trauma, she heaps it on, starting immediately upon him learning that the wife he survived for married someone else. It's like high octane makjang - cruelty version. No matter what "chemistry" they might have, I cannot see any of this as romantic. He needs trauma recovery assistance and to stay as far away from her as he can. She's twisted. No. This is not romance.
Yes, the skinship has been more energized than some - though it makes my skin crawl.
Agree on your X's. Him being a doormat for her and literally begging for humiliation all the time was hard to watch. At least, it was understandable, given all the trauma.
I'm stopping at 16. I simply can't imagine what they could possible fill 26 more episodes with that would make this a decent story.
If she loves him at all, which I'm not sure how she defines that, she would see him as more of a partner and tell him what she's up to. If she loves him, why is she keeping the identity of his son from him? It's very patronizing - or, in this case, matronizing.
I have only watched a few episodes, so I don't what happens down the line. But, whatever her revenge motivations, she's using a strategy which feels as if she's also getting revenge on him. I want him to realize that she's a superficial and cold-hearted person who has no sense of commitment to a friend (for pete's sake they grew up together! How do you treat someone you've known that long the way she does? As a child, he got his family to adopt her, so that she didn't die in a cave, but she's going to humiliate him all the time, now? wtaf?), much less a romantic partner. If she manages to help take the Zhou family down, great. But, he's better off without this fair weather woman. What a horribly written character. She's wholly unlikable.
Why aren't people noting that the ML was utterly devastated and in a deep depression after the rich girl's daddy destroyed his career and life? Then, she stalks him and insists that she likes him. She pushed him into a relationship, while he was down. Psychologically, he didn't have the capacity to consent. What he did was accept that option over processing the pain her family had caused him. Its the same concept of there being no real consent possible if someone is drunk. An impaired person cannot consent. Being traumatized is a state of impairment.
He's never said that he loves her. She has pushed for every stage of development in their relationship. Its not one of equity. She's preying on his vulnerability: both his psychological frailty and his lower social status.
If he has the wherewithal to end things with her before starting another relationship, wow, what a super human being. But, most of us aren't super human. We're just muddling along as best we can, with all the damage we've taken along the way. Relationships get messy because we're not impervious to psychological harm. That needs to be taken into consideration, rather than passing cold-hearted judgement based on some mythological purity screening.
What does it even serve for people to look at this character and be screaming, "he's cheating!" It ignores everything else the character has been through. And he's been through a hell of it. Still being harmed by her family, as he's put in the global spotlight for a dangerous mission that he was lied to about and will be further humiliated by. But, hey, let's just be upset that might not have the absolute grace to rise above everything he's had to live through.
What the hell? Its a story. And stories present us scenarios in order for us to consider all the things which impact the people in them. But, here, we're just going to ignore all the trauma he's been through and have the highest expectations?
also, the relationship we're referring to, between the ML and the rich daughter? It was a coerced one. Her dad destroys his life and then she shows up, when he's personally devastated and has nowhere to turn, and she stalks him and then insists on having a relationship. He was in no psychological condition to give consent, really. She compromised the relationship from the beginning, because she's from a powerful family and is used to getting what she wants. Not once has he said that he loves her and she knows it. But, for whatever reasons she has - likely complex daddy ones - she kept pushing things forward. He didn't initiate anything. He has been dragged along because his self-esteem was dragged into oblivion.
That's not a relationship that deserves any loyalty. It will nice if he can break things off, before entering into an active relationship with anyone else, but, given how much psychological damaged her family did him - and keeps doing to him - I would find it acceptable for him to be messy about things.
Maturity isn't about demanding some mythical standard of purity. Its about compassion and understanding how life happens and people are affected and broken and can only do the best with what they're living with.